WA BEARS

[Wb1234]

Well you are making a point on whether a community or society will accept a team without actually ever experiencing that society first hand. It seems strange. I can’t comment on South Africa because I have never been there (nor am I inclined to go there)

All I’m suggesting is that it won’t be easy. I am in favour of it but the same as any option outside of NSW/QLD, the game will be a niche or non-dominant sport. I’d love to be proven wrong but I can’t imagine the All Blacks never being the most important sporting team in New Zealand.

I’m saying it will be easy


your mixing up the all blacks and super rugby

the nrls primary opposition is club rugby
That’s an easy target to beat or match now

undermining the all blacks is going to take decades

 

[Colk]

Do you remember what they were like in 2002 ?

look at the coaches they’ve had since they sacked him and you wonder why they struggle

look at the kinda of players nz can develop … manu, shek

they could’ve waited and got brad Arthur or chosen flanghan or the nz coach

they chose the Penrith guy

Mate they have been crap for a decade or so now. The ARLC need to actually support the Warriors a lot more

You’ve also kind of skimmed over the problem.

Daniel Anderson or Ivan Cleary weren’t big names when they coached the Warriors. Outside of Daniel Anderson, they also leave at the first opportunity they can to get back to Australia.

That in essence is the reason why they can’t attract good coaches or players: because they would rather live in Australia. It is also the reason they got the Penrith bloke instead of Brad Arthur or Stuart Flanagan - because they wouldn’t have likely come.

I have said it numerous times it is the biggest benefit of another side. The amount of players you could develop could be great. It’s definitely not a benefit in terms of corporates or anything else. However, in saying this I don’t want to see two Kiwi sides perpetually on the bottom of the ladder

 

[Colk]

I’m saying it will be easy


your mixing up the all blacks and super rugby

the nrls primary opposition is club rugby
That’s an easy target to beat or match now

undermining the all blacks is going to take decades

I think you’re being optimistic. Expansion is never easy and you’d be going into a market where another sport is easily more popular. There would be challenges - the existing side we have over there is struggling

 

[Wb1234]

Mate they have been crap for a decade or so now. The ARLC need to actually support the Warriors a lot more

You’ve also kind of skimmed over the problem.

Daniel Anderson or Ivan Cleary weren’t big names when they coached the Warriors. Outside of Daniel Anderson, they also leave at the first opportunity they can to get back to Australia.

That in essence is the reason why they can’t attract good coaches or players: because they would rather live in Australia. It is also the reason they got the Penrith bloke instead of Brad Arthur or Stuart Flanagan - because they wouldn’t have likely come.

I have said it numerous times it is the biggest benefit of another side. The amount of players you could develop could be great. It’s definitely not a benefit in terms of corporates or anything else. However, in saying this I don’t want to see two Kiwi sides perpetually on the bottom of the ladder

There’s a load of Australian clubs that can’t attract a good coach either it’s not just a warriors problem

the warriors problems aren’t because rugby league in nz is weak. It’s bc they have been run by nuffies

get someone like the mad butcher as their owner they will be fine

 

[Wb1234]

I think you’re being optimistic. Expansion is never easy and you’d be going into a market where another sport is easily more popular. There would be challenges - the existing side we have over there is struggling

Warriors mucked up their entry going into super league and still they have been a pretty consistent club since 95 in terms of crowds

 

[Colk]

There’s a load of Australian clubs that can’t attract a good coach either it’s not just a warriors problem

the warriors problems aren’t because rugby league in nz is weak. It’s bc they have been run by nuffies

get someone like the mad butcher as their owner they will be fine

Yes and no. I think the situation is a bit more grey than you think.

The Warriors have been run terribly for sure, so some of their failure is on them but they have unique challenges.

Firstly, it is just too hard to purchase talent from Australia so until they actually keep the best talent in NZ they are always going to struggle. Investment in grassroots has been poor in NZ and in the last three years they have had nothing due to COVID (at least linked to the Warriors) The majority of the Kiwi side has been Australian raised rather than Kiwi raised. The vast majority of Kiwi talent still plays Union and more likely than not will continue to do so because of the draw of the All Blacks. Lastly a lot of NZ is rural and not particularly urban. That affects investment and corporate sponsorship.

 

[Colk]

Warriors mucked up their entry going into super league and still they have been a pretty consistent club since 95 in terms of crowds

I don’t think Super League is an issue now and hasn’t been for a while. The problem is they can’t develop or attract talent.

Yes, the talent may have come from NZ but they chose to go to Australian clubs at a young age and be nurtured and developed there

 

[Colk]

Why are you repeating yourself ?

add the population of the South Island plus Wellington and Hamilton that’s their catchment area

can’t be bothered to do it myself

South Island would be just over a million

Wellington would be about 400k, so about the size of Newcastle and Canberra.

I would not think you could link both of them because they are on different islands and are too far apart.

They would either have to be a Wellington side or a South Island side.

 

[Perth Red]

Why are you repeating yourself ?

add the population of the South Island plus Wellington and Hamilton that’s their catchment area

can’t be bothered to do it myself

Hah yeah a Club playing two games a year in another union city 400kms away to where it’s based is going to draw big fanbase from it. What so 6 games in Christchurch, 4 games in north Sydney and 2 games in Wellington? Pipe-dreams

 

[Wb1234]

Hah yeah a Club playing two games a year in another union city 400kms away to where it’s based is going to draw big fanbase from it. What so 6 games in Christchurch, 4 games in north Sydney and 2 games in Wellington? Pipe-dreams

I mean it’s bad for league but when your beloved afl do it with the greater western Sydney ? Giants it’s called ….. wait for it …..

aspirational

lmaooo

so let’s say by your logo that gws only represent homebush which has a population of what ? 30k lmao

 

[Colk]

Hah yeah a Club playing two games a year in another union city 400kms away to where it’s based is going to draw big fanbase from it. What so 6 games in Christchurch, 4 games in north Sydney and 2 games in Wellington? Pipe-dreams

I know you don’t like the idea of a side anywhere but Perth but a second New Zealand side could work.

It definitely wouldn’t work under this model of splitting games between Wellington and Christchurch - you have to pick one area - and financially it has potential hazards but it can work.

I want to see the Warriors in a much better position than they are though

 

[Perth Red]

I mean it’s bad for league but when your beloved afl do it with the greater western Sydney ? Giants it’s called ….. wait for it …..

aspirational

lmaooo

so let’s say by your logo that gws only represent homebush which has a population of what ? 30k lmao

“Greater western” Sydney lol. What’s its population?
Only reason they are in Canberra is because they are getting paid to be there.
Is Wellington going to pay for the Christchurch bears to play there? Yeh, nah.
stick to your PNG pipedream, it’s got more credibility

 

[Wb1234]

I don’t think Super League is an issue now and hasn’t been for a while. The problem is they can’t develop or attract talent.

Yes, the talent may have come from NZ but they chose to go to Australian clubs at a young age and be nurtured and developed there

It’s

I don’t think Super League is an issue now and hasn’t been for a while. The problem is they can’t develop or attract talent.

Yes, the talent may have come from NZ but they chose to go to Australian clubs at a young age and be nurtured and developed ther

Super League vs NRL: Which Has More Overseas Players? - The Stats Zone

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24 percent of all nrl players are kiwis

that’s with one nz team

nz is a gold mine and we’ve hardly tapped it

 

[Wb1234]

“Greater western” Sydney lol. What’s its population?
Only reason they are in Canberra is because they are getting paid to be there.
Is Wellington going to pay for the Christchurch bears to play there? Yeh, nah.
stick to your PNG pipedream, it’s got more credibility

Exactly the silly response I expected

you didn’t disappoint

 

[Wb1234]

I know you don’t like the idea of a side anywhere but Perth but a second New Zealand side could work.

It definitely wouldn’t work under this model of splitting games between Wellington and Christchurch - you have to pick one area - and financially it has potential hazards but it can work.

I want to see the Warriors in a much better position than they are though

Nz ranks way ahead of Perth

not
Even
Close

 

[Perth Red]

I know you don’t like the idea of a side anywhere but Perth but a second New Zealand side could work.

It definitely wouldn’t work under this model of splitting games between Wellington and Christchurch - you have to pick one area - and financially it has potential hazards but it can work.

I want to see the Warriors in a much better position than they are though

Of course it could, if we were the afl and willing to pump significant funds into it. but we aren’t and we won’t.
One of the key reasons the warriors arent producing talent is they don’t have the funds to invest significantly in nz development. Why do you think the best kiwi 15 year olds left to go to Australian nrl systems?
If warriors, in the strongest rl city with a population of 1.6million have struggled pretty much forever, what makes you think a club in Christchurch where union is stronger and it’s a 1/4 the size would be stronger?
the game would be better off if the $15million plus a Christchurch would cost was given to nzrl to improve the whole systems. At the moment nzrl get around $300k a year from the ARLC!

 

[Perth Red]

I

Exactly the silly response I expected

you didn’t disappoint

I find when talking to idiots it’s better to bring down my conversation level to stupid.

 

[Perth Red]

Nz ranks way ahead of Perth

not
Even
Close

I thought PNG/Cairns was a certainty?then it was wa bears dead set in, now it’s THE NZ somethings. You’re edging your bets for sure lol

 

[Wb1234]

I

I find when talking to idiots it’s better to bring down my conversation level to stupid.

You know talking to yourself is a sign of insanity don’t you

 

[Wb1234]

I thought PNG/Cairns was a certainty?then it was wa bears dead set in, now it’s THE NZ somethings. You’re edging your bets for sure lol

Not for team 18 no

but for team 19 after nz ? Or 20 after Logan / Ipswich ?

sure

I said Perth were favourites based on joining with the bears

without it they go to the back of the queue