WA BEARS

[Perth Red]

Its like you sydney centric folk have totally missed the point here, Bears are not looking for a partnership or relocation. They want the license, if its in Perth or NZ they dont care. Why dont they care? Because they want the license! Once they have the license they can do what they like with it. This isnt even about two parties not being able to agree, the Bears are literally looking to own and run the club on their own. Its laughable and the NRL should tell them so. There is no way a Perth RL community will get behind it.

It'd be like the Swans moving to Sydney but staying exactly the same as they were in Melbourne except where they played 75% of home games. NRL is at times is bat sht stupid, but even they cant be this stupid surely?

 

[RedVee_8]

Those conditions as espoused by Billy Moore kills the plan dead. IMO anyway.

 

[Perth Red]

Those conditions as espoused by Billy Moore kills the plan dead. IMO anyway.

At least It lays it our for all to see what their plan is. Its not to partner with anyone. Its to get the license then play some games somewhere else whilst basically staying as the NS Bears. On that premise alone the NRL need to stop this nonsense now.

 

[Colk]

Its like you sydney centric folk have totally missed the point here, Bears are not looking for a partnership or relocation. They want the license, if its in Perth or NZ they dont care. Why dont they care? Because they want the license! Once they have the license they can do what they like with it. This isnt even about two parties not being able to agree, the Bears are literally looking to own and run the club on their own. Its laughable and the NRL should tell them so. There is no way a Perth RL community will get behind it.

It'd be like the Swans moving to Sydney but staying exactly the same as they were in Melbourne except where they played 75% of home games. NRL is at times is bat sht stupid, but even they cant be this stupid surely?

The funny thing about this situation is that the Bears are stipulating conditions. Really?

There would be no other situation in any sport that I can think of where a possible entrant makes demands on their entry. It’s completely backwards

 

[The Penguin #6.]

The funny thing about this situation is that the Bears are stipulating conditions. Really?

There would be no other situation in any sport that I can think of where a possible entrant makes demands on their entry. It’s completely backwards

They`re idiots, they seem to think that this 114 year old history they bring with them will have everyone falling over themselves to sign up with them.
Truth is any expansion club will start to forge its` own history straight away and the Bears ` history ` will mean diddly and very quickly forgotten.
Hence the demand to `own ` the license.

 

[siv]

No they shouldn’t. The fact that you are the only one banging on about it gives you enough of an insight. That and the fact there are 10 clubs from NSW - no more

Think of the F3 rivalry

Or are you worried the CC boys would come home from Newy and the Rorters

 

[Wb1234]

At least half the size of the Warriors. But its lack of sustainability wont be a problem when Bears have seen out the first few years, decided its not viable and moved back to NSW lol.

At least half the size of the Warriors. But its lack of sustainability wont be a problem when Bears have seen out the first few years, decided its not viable and moved back to

At least half the size of the Warriors. But its lack of sustainability wont be a problem when Bears have seen out the first few years, decided its not viable and moved back to

 

[Wb1234]

At least half the size of the Warriors. But its lack of sustainability wont be a problem when Bears have seen out the first few years, decided its not viable and moved back to NSW lol.

Unlike Perth nz is a massive rugby market which is easily transferable to league

and I know the concept isn’t easy to grasp for someone in an afl state but by strengthening league in nz it makes international football stronger

the kangaroos really don’t need the one player Perth will produce for them in 100 years

 

[Wb1234]

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Also NZ 2 and Perth should not be looking at the Bears. They should set up their own franchises .

Perth was told if they want a team they have to add the bears

nz weren’t they can pick whatever logo they want

but given the match in colours with Christchurch it becomes a killer bid if it happens

if Perth fans don’t want the bears then fine just go back and wait in the queue till your number is called

 

[Colk]

Think of the F3 rivalry

Or are you worried the CC boys would come home from Newy and the Rorters

Why would I care about that? I don’t follow either the Roosters or the Knights

I’m against it because it is a stupid idea. Firstly, a CC club would struggle financially and on a corporate level b) would essentially be taking supporters away from other Sydney sides meaning they wouldn’t be generating new supporters - people from the CC already follow the game and have had a chance to consume it and c) the game should no longer view itself as the NSWRL. It should grow up. There are much bigger fish to fry

 

[Colk]

Unlike Perth nz is a massive rugby market which is easily transferable to league

and I know the concept isn’t easy to grasp for someone in an afl state but by strengthening league in nz it makes international football stronger

the kangaroos really don’t need the one player Perth will produce for them in 100 years

Is it easily transferable though? I find it strange that people think NZ 2 is a walk in the park or are discounting the challenge but for other places they are totally cognisant of troubles or setbacks.

Anywhere League goes outside of NSW and QLD will be a difficult task and the game is more likely to have a niche following in that area.

Totally agree with you about player development though

 

[Colk]

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Perth was told if they want a team they have to add the bears

nz weren’t they can pick whatever logo they want

but given the match in colours with Christchurch it becomes a killer bid if it happens

if Perth fans don’t want the bears then fine just go back and wait in the queue till your number is called

The first point is an assumption or at the very least an exaggeration.

Second point, why would Christchurch feel the need to take on the Bears.

Third point, if you are right and the ARLC are wanting to pick the Bears then that says more about the deficiencies of the ARLC then the gravitas of the Bears’ bid. Any competition that bends to the will of a team who are wanting to enter in the competition really needs to reflect on their failings. Absolutely crazy.

 

[Colk]

You again fail to understand, there is no perth, its no different to campbelltown is to the tigers or bathurst is to the panthers, or gosford was to the northern eagles, only difference is that the bears are wanting and willing to take 10 games there (as they should, if they want back in the NRL as an expansion option) the NRL want new markets, and don't want start up franchises, the bears are a front runner, as would any cashed up QRL or NSWRL side wanting to setup up, and PVL wants the bears re-reinstated, as long as it ticks the new market box... i wouldn't be suprised if newtown jets start a bid to re-enter via Adelaide, Nz, etc some time in the next decade

Interesting viewpoint MugaB although I wouldn’t go so far as to say that location is irrelevant otherwise everybody would be just called The

Also, I think if you want expansion to work you actually have to make the location central so for example if you enter a Perth side or an Adelaide side or a second NZ side, it has to actually resonate with people in that area. People aren’t stupid (well a lot of people are and a lot of people aren’t) so if it is seen as purely an exercise to satisfy people in Sydney or another area then it would be difficult to support.

Interesting take on the Newtown Jets, although this whole expansion might be a way for some QRL sides to get in too.

 

[Gobsmacked]

The Bears will go anywhere for the NRL bid... but these are their ‘non-negotiables’

The Bears will go anywhere for NRL return... but these are their ‘non-negotiables’

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

Unlike Perth nz is a massive rugby market which is easily transferable to league

and I know the concept isn’t easy to grasp for someone in an afl state but by strengthening league in nz it makes international football stronger

the kangaroos really don’t need the one player Perth will produce for them in 100 years

Must be why the warriors have gone so well. So yeh let’s put another nz club in a city a quarter the size of Auckland, that’ll work Out well! Be good for bears though for a few years before they moved the license back to Sydney due to Christchurch not being viable.
Australia needs perth players, the east coat ones are pssing off to the pacific islands lol

 

[Perth Red]

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Perth was told if they want a team they have to add the bears

nz weren’t they can pick whatever logo they want

but given the match in colours with Christchurch it becomes a killer bid if it happens

if Perth fans don’t want the bears then fine just go back and wait in the queue till your number is called

Haha it’s like you were in the room with vlandys and the WA govt. didn’t the original report say they were advised to talk to CLUBS? That’s clubs plural Not just the bears. I wonder who the others were? I’ve no interest in supporting a Sydney club playing games in perth, f**k that.

 

[Wb1234]

Must be why the warriors have gone so well. So yeh let’s put another nz club in a city a quarter the size of Auckland, that’ll work Out well! Be good for bears though for a few years before they moved the license back to Sydney due to Christchurch not being viable.
Australia needs perth players, the east coat ones are pssing off to the pacific islands lol

That last sentence is funny that’s for sure

if you look at Tonga Samoa and nz you can trace their development back to the nz warriors and all the players they have produced

you know Perth can’t compete with the development of international rugby league

on most measures nz2 ranks ahead of Perth

nz2 is a far more aspirational choice for the game than Perth is that’s for sure

you’ve already waited 30 years what’s another ten more ? Lol

 

[Wb1234]

Is it easily transferable though? I find it strange that people think NZ 2 is a walk in the park or are discounting the challenge but for other places they are totally cognisant of troubles or setbacks.

Anywhere League goes outside of NSW and QLD will be a difficult task and the game is more likely to have a niche following in that area.

Totally agree with you about player development though

How many kiwis have you ever met that don’t like rugby league. They arent your ususal union toffs like in England or australia. For their history the all blacks have always played the game like rugby league

plus super rugby has never been this vulnerable before. It’s not just a basket case here even the mz clubs are struggling and they just had a massive injection of private equity funds

fun fact : the northern union got most of the ideas of rugby league from watching an all blacks game in England in 1905

 

[Perth Red]

That last sentence is funny that’s for sure

if you look at Tonga Samoa and nz you can trace their development back to the nz warriors and all the players they have produced

you know Perth can’t compete with the development of international rugby league

on most measures nz2 ranks ahead of Perth

nz2 is a far more aspirational choice for the game than Perth is that’s for sure

you’ve already waited 30 years what’s another ten more ? Lol

No problem waiting for a proper perth club and christchurch can have the bears for a few years before it goes tits up.

 

[Colk]

That last sentence is funny that’s for sure

if you look at Tonga Samoa and nz you can trace their development back to the nz warriors and all the players they have produced

you know Perth can’t compete with the development of international rugby league

on most measures nz2 ranks ahead of Perth

nz2 is a far more aspirational choice for the game than Perth is that’s for sure

you’ve already waited 30 years what’s another ten more ? Lol

Look I agree with the idea of NZ 2. The question is where would you put them? Auckland? Christchurch? Wellington?

The most important thing before we go with another NZ side is trying to work out what’s wrong with the current one and working out ways to support that