WA BEARS

[Perth Red]

Ch9 don't seem to care too much for RL. They give us $115m pa for three games a week then four games during the last five rounds, yet wanted to give AwFuL $500m pa for everything.

Worse than that they actually paid around $90mill cash for 3 games a week. The $115mill cash includes origin and radio rights.

Compare that to the estimated $175/195mill ch7 are paying afl for 4 games. And the zero $’s they’ve paid for expansion.

Yep you are right the sooner we bin ch9 the better for the game. I hope ch10/paramount blow them and fox out the water for 2028 rights!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Worse than that they actually paid around $90mill cash for 3 games a week. The $115mill cash includes origin and radio rights.

Compare that to the estimated $175/195mill ch7 are paying afl for 4 games. And the zero $’s they’ve paid for expansion.

Yep you are right the sooner we bin ch9 the better for the game. I hope ch10/paramount blow them and fox out the water for 2028 rights!

They'll never reveal how many are actually watching the games on Nine Now and Kayo. It wouldn't surprise me if AwFuL get better ratings. They draw great attendances all around the country.

 

[Pippen94]

I can’t be arsed to go through every round but I know it fluctuates between 4k and 15k quite a lot.

yes it is a fact. And with such low sample size and low extrapolitaion the reliability and validity of the methodology is dodgy as. Can you explain to me how they get 4000 viewers? With one box per 3000 people were 1.3 people watching the game??

I’m saying that if 120k are tuning in on fta for rl event games it’s an indication that theres a sht load more than 6k fans here lol

Which is totally irrelevant and I’m not sure why you e mentioned it? I’m not saying how many will turn up every week, theres a shed load of variable factors in that, but it is indication of size of active rl fanbase here.

community rugby league in all its formats was over 30k participants last year

thats your opinion, not fact. I’d suggest, as I was at the games and saw how much merch was on show from SL and NRL, that it was largely RL fans attending Them.

Ha - you inflated participation by over 7000%. Clown

 

[Colk]

Worse than that they actually paid around $90mill cash for 3 games a week. The $115mill cash includes origin and radio rights.

Compare that to the estimated $175/195mill ch7 are paying afl for 4 games. And the zero $’s they’ve paid for expansion.

Yep you are right the sooner we bin ch9 the better for the game. I hope ch10/paramount blow them and fox out the water for 2028 rights!

That’s our only hope I feel.

 

[The_Wookie]

I can’t be arsed to go through every round but I know it fluctuates between 4k and 15k quite a lot.

I can, I have and it does, but the average is still 8k. thats a fact.

yes it is a fact. And with such low sample size and low extrapolitaion the reliability and validity of the methodology is dodgy as.

Sampling is recognised as a legitimate way to obtain data. its also the standard used by the broadcasting and sports industry for decades here and in every country where they have ratings agencies.

I’m saying that if 120k are tuning in on fta for rl event games it’s an indication that theres a sht load more than 6k fans here lol

Im saying that a lot of those tuning in are tuning in for Origin and the Grand Final, not necessarily for rugby league. It is a huge mistake to believe that these are actual fans of the game.

Which is totally irrelevant and I’m not sure why you e mentioned it? I’m not saying how many will turn up every week, theres a shed load of variable factors in that, but it is indication of size of active rl fanbase here.

My mistake, I thought you were trying to justify starting an NRL team to play over in Perth or something.

community rugby league in all its formats was over 30k participants last year

Participation numbers are rubbery as hell. If I trotted AFL participation in all formats out in oh lets say NZ. and claimed there were tens of thousands of participants when there was just a fraction of that in actual players, Id be rightfully laughed out of these forums.

thats your opinion, not fact. I’d suggest, as I was at the games and saw how much merch was on show from SL and NRL, that it was largely RL fans attending Them.

thats your opinion too mate.

 

[The_Wookie]

They'll never reveal how many are actually watching the games on Nine Now and Kayo. It wouldn't surprise me if AwFuL get better ratings. They draw great attendances all around the country.

Nine Now data is publicly available every week, as well as consolidated in total tv data (averaging 32k per match) - its worth noting that this is not done via set top box, Oztam using a different methodology for it. We do get some limited reporting - generally early in season - on kayo numbers (which is where i and others use it to conservatively estimate it for the rest of the season).

 

[The_Wookie]

I can’t be arsed to go through every round but I know it fluctuates between 4k and 15k quite a lot.

as I said, I can, have and its 8k. (7,958) in season.

Round	Home	Away	9 Perth
1	Brisbane	South Sydney	7,000
1	Penrith	Manly	6,000
1	Parramatta	Gold Coast	4,000
2	Sydney	Manly	7,000
2	Melbourne	South Sydney	4,000
2	Newcastle	Wests Tigers	3,000
3	St George	Cronulla	8,000
3	South Sydney	Sydney	8,000
3	Brisbane	North Queensland	6,000
4	Penrith	South Sydney	12,000
4	Melbourne	Canterbury	11,000
4	Gold Coast	Wests Tigers	6,000
5	Newcastle	Manly	n/a
5	Cronulla	Wests Tigers	8,000
5	Brisbane	Sydney	6,000
6	Canberra	North Queensland	n/a
6	South Sydney	Canterbury	9,000
6	St George	Newcastle	9,000
6	Penrith	Brisbane	7,000
7	Cronulla	Manly	10,000
7	Brisbane	Canterbury	9,000
7	St George	Sydney	9,000
7	Penrith	Canberra	7,000
8	Brisbne	Cronulla	11,000
8	South Sydney	Manly	9,000
8	St George	Wests Tigers	8,000
9	South Sydney	Brisbane	10,000
9	Penrith	Parramatta	9,000
9	Cronulla	New Zealand	8,000
10	Melbourne	Penrith	11,000
10	Manly	Brisbane	10,000
10	Sydney	Parramatta	10,000
11	Newcastle	Brisbane	12,000
11	Parramatta	Manly	5,000
11	Gold Coast	Cronulla	4,000
12	Melbourne	Manly	11,000
12	Brisbane	Gold Coast	6,000
12	Canberra	Parramatta	6,000
13	Gold Coast	North Queensland	n/a
13	Penrith	Canteberbury	7,000
13	Canberra	Sydney	6,000
14	North Queensland	St George	10,000
14	Newcastle	Penrith	7,000
15	Canterbury	Wests Tigers	10,000
15	Melbourne	Brisbane	9,000
15	St George	South Sydney	6,000
16	Manly	Melbourne	8,000
16	Penrith	Sydney	6,000
16	St George Illawarra	Canberra	4,000
17	Cronulla	Melbourne	n/a
17	Brisbane	St George	15,000
17	Newcastle	South Sydney	6,000
18	Melbourne	Canberra	7,000
18	Parramatta	New Zealand	6,000
19	Newcastle	Sydney	n/a
19	Parramatta	Brisbane	12,000
19	Canterbury	Gold Coast	10,000
20	Manly	Sydney	13,000
20	Parramatta	Penrith	12,000
20	Newcastle	Canterbury	11,000
21	Cronulla	St George	n/a
21	Wests Tigers	Newcastle	n/a
21	Sydney	Brisbane	10,000
21	Manly	Parramatta	9,000
22	Gold Coast	Manly	n/a
22	Penrith	Melbourne	14,000
22	Parramattta	South Sydney	9,000
22	Brisbane	Newcastle	4,000
23	South Sydney	Penrith	7,000
23	Brisbane	Melbourne	7,000
23	Newcastle	Canberra	6,000
23	Sydney	Wests Tigers	4,000
24	Melbourne	Sydney	9,000
24	Brisbane	Parramatta	8,000
24	South Sydney	North Queensland	7,000
24	Gold Coast	Newcastle	5,000
25	Parramatta	Melbourne	11,000
25	Wests Tigers	Canberra	6,000
25	Sydney	South Sydney	3,000
25	North Queensland	Penrith	3,000

 

[The_Wookie]

National BVOD (9NOW) ratings

Round	Home	Away	9NOW Cons 7
1	Penrith	Manly	53,000
1	Brisbane	South Sydney	42,000
1	Parramatta	Gold Coast	22,000
2	Melbourne	South Sydney	44,000
2	Sydney	Manly	33,000
2	Newcastle	Wests Tigers	19,000
3	South Sydney	Sydney	40,000
3	St George	Cronulla	32,000
3	Brisbane	North Queensland	25,000
4	Penrith	South Sydney	42,000
4	Gold Coast	Wests Tigers	33,000
4	Melbourne	Canterbury	24,000
5	Brisbane	Sydney	37,000
5	Newcastle	Manly	35,000
5	Cronulla	Wests Tigers	21,000
6	Penrith	Brisbane	34,000
6	Canberra	North Queensland	27,000
6	South Sydney	Canterbury	19,000
6	St George	Newcastle	18,000
7	Brisbane	Canterbury	41,000
7	Cronulla	Manly	33,000
7	St George	Sydney	29,000
7	Penrith	Canberra	21,000
8	Brisbne	Cronulla	42,000
8	South Sydney	Manly	32,000
8	St George	Wests Tigers	21,000
9	South Sydney	Brisbane	44,000
9	Penrith	Parramatta	44,000
9	Cronulla	New Zealand	21,000
10	Manly	Brisbane	39,000
10	Melbourne	Penrith	33,000
10	Sydney	Parramatta	26,000
11	Newcastle	Brisbane	40,000
11	Parramatta	Manly	34,000
11	Gold Coast	Cronulla	21,000
12	Melbourne	Manly	37,000
12	Brisbane	Gold Coast	37,000
12	Canberra	Parramatta	24,000
13	Penrith	Canteberbury	34,000
13	Gold Coast	North Queensland	31,000
13	Canberra	Sydney	23,000
14	North Queensland	St George	33,000
14	Newcastle	Penrith	21,000
15	Melbourne	Brisbane	40,000
15	St George	South Sydney	34,000
15	Canterbury	Wests Tigers	23,000
16	Penrith	Sydney	38,000
16	Manly	Melbourne	35,000
16	St George Illawarra	Canberra	23,000
17	Newcastle	South Sydney	35,000
17	Cronulla	Melbourne	33,000
17	Brisbane	St George	29,000
18	Parramatta	New Zealand	29,000
18	Melbourne	Canberra	25,000
19	Parramatta	Brisbane	49,000
19	Newcastle	Sydney	29,000
19	Canterbury	Gold Coast	24,000
20	Manly	Sydney	43,000
20	Parramatta	Penrith	42,000
20	Newcastle	Canterbury	23,000
21	Sydney	Brisbane	42,000
21	Manly	Parramatta	37,000
21	Wests Tigers	Newcastle	20,000
21	Cronulla	St George	19,000
22	Penrith	Melbourne	51,000
22	Parramattta	South Sydney	41,000
22	Brisbane	Newcastle	25,000
22	Gold Coast	Manly	21,000
23	South Sydney	Penrith	54,000
23	Brisbane	Melbourne	42,000
23	Newcastle	Canberra	22,000
23	Sydney	Wests Tigers	19,000
24	Brisbane	Parramatta	50,000
24	Melbourne	Sydney	50,000
24	South Sydney	North Queensland	30,000
24	Gold Coast	Newcastle	20,000
25	Parramatta	Melbourne	57,000
25	Sydney	South Sydney	54,000
25	North Queensland	Penrith	26,000
25	Wests Tigers	Canberra	22,000

 

[Perth Red]

Ha - you inflated participation by over 7000%. Clown

And you need to learn more about rugby league across australia you idiot. Over 30k participants across all forms of rugby league In WA. Fact.

 

[Perth Red]

I can, I have and it does, but the average is still 8k. thats a fact.



Sampling is recognised as a legitimate way to obtain data. its also the standard used by the broadcasting and sports industry for decades here and in every country where they have ratings agencies.



Im saying that a lot of those tuning in are tuning in for Origin and the Grand Final, not necessarily for rugby league. It is a huge mistake to believe that these are actual fans of the game.



My mistake, I thought you were trying to justify starting an NRL team to play over in Perth or something.



Participation numbers are rubbery as hell. If I trotted AFL participation in all formats out in oh lets say NZ. and claimed there were tens of thousands of participants when there was just a fraction of that in actual players, Id be rightfully laughed out of these forums.


thats your opinion too mate.

the fact it fluctuates from allegedly 3000-15000 a game shows how flawed it is in its methodology. It’s literally 1 house or 5 houses watching, or one house with 4 of his mates one day and one house on his own the other. That’s how susceptible to variation it is with such a small sample group for 2million people.

It may be “the best they can do” but it’s still extremely iffy, especially when then extrapolating it up to a full population. Like I said how can you get 4000 viewers when one box = 3000 people. Was there 0.3 of a person watching somewhere? And why are the numbers always full numbers in the thousands, hmmmmm?

I agree, hence why my estimate that 40-50% of them are RL fans and the other half casual sports viewers.

the 30k is registered full contact players and players who’ve played touch footy for a club in WA. I’m not talking your Auskick bs numbers afl comes out with.

it is, but it’s at least based on my observations of being at all those games, Unlike yours which is just a guess to back up a predetermined unfounded opinion.

 

[Pippen94]

And you need to learn more about rugby league across australia you idiot. Over 30k participants across all forms of rugby league In WA. Fact.

4.1k registered players. Lots of refs & tuck shop lady's to reach over 30k

 

[Perth Red]

4.1k registered players. Lots of refs & tuck shop lady's to reach over 30k

26.6k touch footy players in WA idiot.

 

[Pippen94]

26.6k touch footy players in WA idiot.

Registered touch football players?!

 

[Wb1234]

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[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Nine Now data is publicly available every week, as well as consolidated in total tv data (averaging 32k per match) - its worth noting that this is not done via set top box, Oztam using a different methodology for it. We do get some limited reporting - generally early in season - on kayo numbers (which is where i and others use it to conservatively estimate it for the rest of the season).

We'll see shifting TV viewing patterns over the next 10 to 20 years. The older generation doesn't really embrace the new technology and an increasing amount of young people don't have a TV.

 

[The_Wookie]

the fact it fluctuates from allegedly 3000-15000 a game shows how flawed it is in its methodology. It’s literally 1 house or 5 houses watching, or one house with 4 of his mates one day and one house on his own the other. That’s how susceptible to variation it is with such a small sample group for 2million people.

Its also susceptible to competing television programming - as demonstrated by the goddamned ratings for every other program in Perth.

It may be “the best they can do” but it’s still extremely iffy, especially when then extrapolating it up to a full population. Like I said how can you get 4000 viewers when one box = 3000 people. Was there 0.3 of a person watching somewhere? And why are the numbers always full numbers in the thousands, hmmmmm?

Because thats how Oztam choose to publish them. The raw data used to come to us slightly differently, but the average rating is always rounded up to the thousand for publishing.

I agree, hence why my estimate that 40-50% of them are RL fans and the other half casual sports viewers.

the 30k is registered full contact players and players who’ve played touch footy for a club in WA. I’m not talking your Auskick bs numbers afl comes out with.

Already showed the published - and previously linked - the 4100 actual registered league players.

Your point about Auskick might even be true except Touch Football Australia counts program and event participants, school delivered programs, and even f**king volunteers - its numbers could be even more f**king rubbery than anything the AFL produces for Auskick. Like who the f**k counts volunteers - except soccer.



Your problem here is that the 2022 Touch Football Australia Annual Report is like available to be read by all and sundry.

This year the total number fof active adults in AUSTRALIA was 83,451 (64,895 in QLD/NSW alone) and 83,490 juniors (77,389 in QLD/NSW). This leaves 18,556 registered adults and 6,101 juniors for the entire country outside of NSW and QLD. That almost certainly means that these 24,000 folks arent all in WA.

https://touchfootball.com.au/media/13721/tfa_annual-report-2021-2022.pdf

it is, but it’s at least based on my observations of being at all those games, Unlike yours which is just a guess to back up a predetermined unfounded opinion.

Mine is backed up with decades of data and annual reporting from industry bodies and sporting codes. Your source appears to be your posterior. Yours appears to be based on a "well it cant be true, I dont want it to be" philosophy

 

[Perth Red]

Mine is backed up with decades of data and annual reporting from industry bodies and sporting codes. Your source appears to be your posterior. Yours appears to be based on a "well it cant be true, I dont want it to be" philosophy

you’ve got evidence that most of the crowd at nrl, origin and international games are not RL fans? Please do share!

 

[Llangennech]

Just call them The Bears, play most matches in Perth with three in Sydney.

 

[Perth Red]

Just call the The Bears, play most matches in Perth with three in Sydney.

Yeh that’ll work lol

 

[DIOGENES]

Participation numbers are rubbery as hell. If I trotted AFL participation in all formats out in oh lets say NZ. and claimed there were tens of thousands of participants when there was just a fraction of that in actual players, Id be rightfully laughed out of these forums.

15 years ago there were only 600 AFL players in NZ but after the spectacular success of the Kiwikick program in NZ schools by 2016 there were 35,000 registered players. It must be over 50,000 by now

Australian rules football in New Zealand - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(The really odd thing, no doubt due to the anti-afl bias of the NZ media, is that a google search for “Kiwi Kick” mainly returns results about a cocktail containing rum, midori and a kiwifruit)