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Because the crowds won’t come anymore

they’ve been sold too many lemons from England teams masquerading as being competitive
Crowds in Australia have generally been sht, which reflects RL crowds generally in Australia TBF. In UK crowds have at times been outstanding, despite the years of failure by the British teams. Heck they just got more at Old Trafford to a RLWC final not featuring England than Australia could manage at a RLWC featuring the Kangaroos!

Whens last time Wallabies won anything? Hows their crowds doing? NZ dominated for decades, their fans must be bored and not turn up right? Hmm maybe its actually an Australian RL problem?
 

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Crowds in Australia have generally been sht, which reflects RL crowds generally in Australia TBF. In UK crowds have at times been outstanding, despite the years of failure by the British teams.
Cause the club competition in England is crap and that’s all they have left to hope for is internationals

oz vs nz has always got decent crowds here never an issue
 

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Cause the club competition in England is crap and that’s all they have left to hope for is internationals

oz vs nz has always got decent crowds here never an issue
Has it though? Aus v NZ in England draws bigger crowds than in Australia lol
Its been 8 years since we've seen a decent crowd on home soil for Aus v NZ. Last 3 games have only avg'd 19k.
 

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Has it though? Aus v NZ in England draws bigger crowds than in Australia lol
Its been 8 years since we've seen a decent crowd on home soil for Aus v NZ. Last 3 games have only avg'd 19k.
The last World Cup in England was kinda a disaster

Other than a few games crowds were awful esp in places like hull and Warrington

rumours are it lost a few million pounds
 

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Australian sport(let alone the NRL) has no profile in the UK.

SL now being on Ch4 doesn't change that fact.
 

Perth Red

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The last World Cup in England was kinda a disaster

Other than a few games crowds were awful esp in places like hull and Warrington

rumours are it lost a few million pounds
youre pretty ignorant so Im not bothering to answer you're first point, you probably have no idea of the legacy projects, largest ever corporate revenue income, on precedented Govt support for a RLWC, largest ever ticket revenue income etc etc

and the last one in Australia was a raging success?

You really are defending the indefensible here when it comes to the ARLC commitment to international RL.
 

Perth Red

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Australian sport(let alone the NRL) has no profile in the UK.

SL now being on Ch4 doesn't change that fact.
Early 80's NFL had hardly any presences in UK, fast forward to 1990 and it was major interest, largely built on the back of Ch4 Sunday night coverage of a game and NFL doing some ground work in UK. No reason NRL couldn't make a dent.
 

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youre pretty ignorant so Im not bothering to answer you're first point, you probably have no idea of the legacy projects, largest ever corporate revenue income, on precedented Govt support for a RLWC, largest ever ticket revenue income etc etc

and the last one in Australia was a raging success?

You really are defending the indefensible here when it comes to the ARLC commitment to international RL.
Celtic crusaders
Gateshead storm
Psg
Toronto
Ottowa
Nyc

just when rugby league was taking off in Canada and bringing nyc with it super league killed it

and why did you ignore all the poor crowds in heartland towns during the World Cup

crowds at the last World Cup were underwhelming

how did it manage to lose money when the govt provided so much guaranteed revenue ?
 

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Early 80's NFL had hardly any presences in UK, fast forward to 1990 and it was major interest, largely built on the back of Ch4 Sunday night coverage of a game and NFL doing some ground work in UK. No reason NRL couldn't make a dent.
Nothing to do with the sold out games at Wembley ?
 

Perth Red

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Celtic crusaders
Gateshead storm
Psg
Toronto
Ottowa
Nyc

just when rugby league was taking off in Canada and bringing nyc with it super league killed it

and why did you ignore all the poor crowds in heartland towns during the World Cup

crowds at the last World Cup were underwhelming
hmmm Ottowa and NYC where never in SL. But you did miss Sheffield and Toulouse off your list but being ignorant I wouldnt expect you to know that.


Western Reds
SQ Crushers
Adelaide Rams
NS Bears
mergers

Both sides of the world are hardly covered in glory when it comes to RL expansion!

For some games yes, for others they were great and for the first time ever at full cost, no under selling, no 3 for 2 offers. Such are RLWC's pool games or do you need reminding?

2017 RLWC down under
1/4 final avg 11k
semi avg 26k
final 40k

2022 RLWC
1/4 final avg 13k
semi avg 34k
final 67k
most inclusive RLWC ever with 61 matches across wheelchair, womens and mens tournaments
most tv covered RLWC across the world
most watched RLWC ever with 18.7million viewers

but we digress lol
 

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hmmm Ottowa and NYC where never in SL. But you did miss Sheffield and Toulouse off your list but being ignorant I wouldnt expect you to know that.


Western Reds
SQ Crushers
Adelaide Rams
NS Bears
mergers

Both sides of the world are hardly covered in glory when it comes to RL expansion!

For some games yes, for others they were great and for the first time ever at full cost, no under selling, no 3 for 2 offers. Such are RLWC's pool games or do you need reminding?

2017 RLWC down under
1/4 final avg 11k
semi avg 26k
final 40k

2022 RLWC
1/4 final avg 13k
semi avg 34k
final 67k
most inclusive RLWC ever with 61 matches across wheelchair, womens and mens tournaments
most tv covered RLWC across the world
most watched RLWC ever with 18.7million viewers

but we digress lol
Sheffield eagles and toulose are still around lmao

maybe if the game in England wasn’t such a joke internationals would be a higher priority

aussies just don’t have any interest anymore in seeing England

they aren’t a draw anymore bc their standard is poor

gb even lost a test match against png
 

Perth Red

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Sheffield eagles and toulose are still around lmao

maybe if the game in England wasn’t such a joke internationals would be a higher priority

aussies just don’t have any interest anymore in seeing England

they aren’t a draw anymore bc their standard is poor

gb even lost a test match against png
once again they have rarely been and its got little to do with GB/England performance . Australian RL hasnt promoted IRl and therefore the public and media interest in it is virtually nothing. I mean you made the RLWC a laughing stock by pulling out of it ffs!

Australia lost a test match to Tonga.

Wallabies
Soccceroos
hardly beacons of on field success now are they, yet Aussies dont mind following them in large numbers

But hey origin and all that. Stick to a two state myopia, it suits Australian RL well, if the suit fits and all that.
 

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Early 80's NFL had hardly any presences in UK, fast forward to 1990 and it was major interest, largely built on the back of Ch4 Sunday night coverage of a game and NFL doing some ground work in UK. No reason NRL couldn't make a dent.

That's far too simplistic.

American Football, along with other US sports, has gotten popular around the world due to "cultural colonisation' of all things American including TV, Video Games and Movies.
 

Perth Red

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That's far too simplistic.

American Football, along with other US sports, has gotten popular around the world due to "cultural colonisation' of all things American including TV, Video Games and Movies.
Not in the mid 80’s, it was down largely to exposure on ch4. The chicago bears players became as well known in uk as English sports stars. It’s how I was introduced to the game and I started playing soon after my Sunday evenings watching ch4.
 

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once again they have rarely been and its got little to do with GB/England performance . Australian RL hasnt promoted IRl and therefore the public and media interest in it is virtually nothing. I mean you made the RLWC a laughing stock by pulling out of it ffs!

Australia lost a test match to Tonga.

Wallabies
Soccceroos
hardly beacons of on field success now are they, yet Aussies dont mind following them in large numbers

But hey origin and all that. Stick to a two state myopia, it suits Australian RL well, if the suit fits and all that.
Poms need to stop trying to blame australia for their own failings

the amount of money thrown at super league and you have clubs like wakey and Leigh in there

English game is too insular and afraid of change

Wolfpack showed how to market the game to a new audience and it was a huge success

best thing England can do is ensure 40 to 50 players are in the Australian system from under 20s to nrl

that would produce a competitive English side that Aussies would want to watch


wallabies test matches get poor tv ratings

they get outraged by nrl games

soceroos well it’s a major global sport what do you expect lmao
 
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Do the English ever wonder why the Kangaroos are dominant while the Wallabies struggle?
They don't see the Kangaroos. They do see the Wallabies pretty much every NH autumn.

As previously mentioned, some think the Kangaroos ARE the Wallabies.

Should the ARLC send representatives to England to dispel these myths?

They could appear on English TV shows to point out that the NRL draws more money from broadcast rights and higher attendances than any other club "rugby" competition on Earth. Show them the value of Origin to the broadcasters and Australian public. It might get a few people interested in watching the competition.
I've always thought NRL has a better chance of gaining traction in the South of England than SL. All manner of convoluted reasons for that assessment.

This is why I didn't completely pour cold water on your proposal that the Dragons could grow an English fanbase (although forget changing the moniker to Lions, tradition would be central to any allure the club might have).

The NRL would have to see it as a long-term punt. There's no way they'd make money short-medium term.

It would have to be this way round. NRL partners with a sympathetic FTA broadcaster to build awareness of the game and comp. On the back of that, individual clubs market their brands. Some would have more potential than others.

Might be hard for Aussies to understand, but if I were picking a NRL franchise likely to be the most attractive it would be the Warriors.
 

Pippen94

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Poms need to stop trying to blame australia for their own failings

the amount of money thrown at super league and you have clubs like wakey and Leigh in there

English game is too insular and afraid of change

Wolfpack showed how to market the game to a new audience and it was a huge success

best thing England can do is ensure 40 to 50 players are in the Australian system from under 20s to nrl

that would produce a competitive English side that Aussies would want to watch


wallabies test matches get poor tv ratings

they get outraged by nrl games

soceroos well it’s a major global sport what do you expect lmao

Wallabies get good ratings in Sydney
 

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