WA BEARS

[MugaB]

Does that mean @MugaB will stop pushing for a PNG team?

Actually im more of pushing for a team playing out of both Cairns and PnG, not an strictly exclusive one nation team, but more like a rival to the cowboys, using both feeders of the hunters and pride

 

[Perth Red]

Actually im more of pushing for a team playing out of both Cairns and PnG, not an strictly exclusive one nation team, but more like a rival to the cowboys, using both feeders of the hunters and pride

Don’t get him started again about the cairns island hoppers lol

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

St. George is not the patron saint of England alone.
He is shared with Catalonia, Portugal, Ethiopia, Venice plus numerous others. I think even the country Georgia is named after him.

Reckoned to be of Greek origin, born in Asia Minor.

There are plenty of patriotic Englishmen and women who are proud to display the Cross of St George. Unfortunately they're not allowed to do so because the British Government hates white people.

Leaving woke bureaucracy aside, one reason for misgivings about excessive flag-flying in the UK is that it reminds us of sectarian demarcations of territory in Northern Ireland. Due to the similarity of the flag of St. George and the flag of St. Patrick, when a rash of English flags breaks out across swathes of the country during a Soccer WC, at first sight it's akin to a Loyalist housing estate in Belfast.

Plus it's all a bit gaudy and garish. Like at Christmas where some houses look like Blackpool Illuminations, complete with dazzling 12 foot Santa suspended from the roof.

 

[Pippen94]

Reckoned to be of Greek origin, born in Asia Minor.


Leaving woke bureaucracy aside, one reason for misgivings about excessive flag-flying in the UK is that it reminds us of sectarian demarcations of territory in Northern Ireland. Due to the similarity of the flag of St. George and the flag of St. Patrick, when a rash of English flags breaks out across swathes of the country during a Soccer WC, at first sight it's akin to a Loyalist housing estate in Belfast.

Plus it's all a bit gaudy and garish. Like at Christmas where some houses look like Blackpool Illuminations, complete with dazzling 12 foot Santa suspended from the roof.

Anybody who uses term woke will be banned..when I'm moderator.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

Anybody who uses term woke will be banned..when I'm moderator.

I like it. It saves me having to say "anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-homophobic, anti-transphobic, anti-islamophobic, etc".

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

but the truth was we started new clubs which copied the old ones exactly

the old clubs were part of the mru they could never break away

it’s different to England where it was the same clubs before and after

I believe the most important distinction between England 1895 and Australia 1908 is that the NSWRL knew they were forming a comp to play a different game. We had 11 years playing pretty much the same game.

BTW, when the Northern Union decreed in 1906 that "the tackled player shall henceforward be permitted to regain his feet to play the ball" for many it was a case of back to the future.

The RFU only required the tackled player to release the ball after completion of the tackle in 1878. Before that the tackled player stood up, the forwards of both teams gathered round, and he placed the ball on the ground. Hence, the original mid-19th century game of Rugby Football was more like the current game of League than Union.

 

[Wb1234]

I believe the most important distinction between England 1895 and Australia 1908 is that the NSWRL knew they were forming a comp to play a different game. We had 11 years playing pretty much the same game.

BTW, when the Northern Union decreed in 1906 that "the tackled player shall henceforward be permitted to regain his feet to play the ball" for many it was a case of back to the future.

The RFU only required the tackled player to release the ball after completion of the tackle in 1878. Before that the tackled player stood up, the forwards of both teams gathered round, and he placed the ball on the ground. Hence, the original mid-19th century game of Rugby Football was more like the current game of League than Union.

Northern union got the ideas to bring in a ptb and 13 men by watching a rugby union game at headingly where the 1905 all blacks were playing i think Yorkshire ru (ideas which had been previously rejected by the rfu)

indeed many of those all blacks then went on to join the all golds and tour England and many ended up playing for English clubs

that all golds tour was also a large reason the nswrl was formed. I count George smith and Baskerville equally as founders of the nswrl as much as gillitnan

without the all golds tour nsw could’ve turned to vfl instead of rugby league

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

League has always been a cosmopolitan sport with players coming from around the world. Last year the super league had two French teams.

The proportion of people of Arab and African descent involved in French RL as players, coaches, officials, is way higher than in the general population of those areas where the game has a presence.

The French controller of refs is a bloke called Mohamed Drizza.

Soccer is more ultra nationalist. That's something that's caused problems for a lot of sports. League should not encourage that.

For good or ill, our nation tends to be the Rugby League tribe. Open to all, regardless of race, creed, sex, etc.

Class is a different matter. You won't find many League fans supporting the England Union team.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Reckoned to be of Greek origin, born in Asia Minor.


Leaving woke bureaucracy aside, one reason for misgivings about excessive flag-flying in the UK is that it reminds us of sectarian demarcations of territory in Northern Ireland. Due to the similarity of the flag of St. George and the flag of St. Patrick, when a rash of English flags breaks out across swathes of the country during a Soccer WC, at first sight it's akin to a Loyalist housing estate in Belfast.

Plus it's all a bit gaudy and garish. Like at Christmas where some houses look like Blackpool Illuminations, complete with dazzling 12 foot Santa suspended from the roof.

Some people spend thousands of Christmas decorations. I don't understand it.

 

[Perth Red]

Some people spend thousands of Christmas decorations. I don't understand it.

Some people spend thousands on pottery, people are generally strange creatures.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

The English Government is in the midst of discriminating against its "Indigenous" population by preventing them from flying the Cross of St George.

Moot point who the indigenous English are. Depends at which period of history you draw the line. There aren't many white people in the North West of England who don't have some measure of Irish heritage.

St George Dragons are the only NRL club that wears the colours of England and is named after England's patron saint.

There was a trend among English League fans in the late 80s for Aussie jerseys. The most popular were Balmain, Manly, Canberra. Don't recall seeing any Dragons jerseys. In mitigation, the club wasn't conspicuously successful at that time.

I understand your reasoning, but maybe the St. George brand is just a bit too obvious. A football fan of any code, similar to T.S. Elliot's Curious Cat, "only likes what he finds for himself". This is one reason why comps created by media companies sticking pins in maps will never work.

And there's the much bigger stumbling block that outside the heartlands not many English people even know RL exists in Oz. The game is inextricably associated with the North of England over here.

In a recent BBC quiz programme contestants were asked to name countries where League was bigger than Union. They were given a list of Australia, NZ, PNG, France. A bloke began his answer with "Well, it can't be Australia..." - that level of ignorance is not uncommon.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Moot point who the indigenous English are. Depends at which period of history you draw the line. There aren't many white people in the North West of England who don't have some measure of Irish heritage.


There was a trend among English League fans in the late 80s for Aussie jerseys. The most popular were Balmain, Manly, Canberra. Don't recall seeing any Dragons jerseys. In mitigation, the club wasn't conspicuously successful at that time.

I understand your reasoning, but maybe the St. George brand is just a bit too obvious. A football fan of any code, similar to T.S. Elliot's Curious Cat, "only likes what he finds for himself". This is one reason why comps created by media companies sticking pins in maps will never work.

And there's the much bigger stumbling block that outside the heartlands not many English people even know RL exists in Oz. The game is inextricably associated with the North of England over here.

In a recent BBC quiz programme contestants were asked to name countries where League was bigger than Union. They were given a list of Australia, NZ, PNG, France. A bloke began his answer with "Well, it can't be Australia..." - that level of ignorance is not uncommon.

What did the contestant say when it was pointed out that rugby league is bigger than rugby union in Australia?

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

What did the contestant say when it was pointed out that rugby league is bigger than rugby union in Australia?

Didn't say anything, just looked flummoxed.

We haven't had the pleasure of many visits from the Kangaroos in the past 25 years or so. When we do, it's unusual if they're not referred to as the Wallabies at least once.

Even worse with the Kiwis. Many a media report will include an image of the All Blacks.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Didn't say anything, just looked flummoxed.

We haven't had the pleasure of many visits from the Kangaroos in the past 25 years or so. When we do, it's unusual if they're not referred to as the Wallabies at least once.

Even worse with the Kiwis. Many a media report will include an image of the All Blacks.

It's really bizarre for the English to think rugby union is bigger than rugby league in Australia. Rugby union is a niche sport in Australia. If it's not careful then it could become a minority sport within the next 10 years.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

It's really bizarre for the English to think rugby union is bigger than rugby league in Australia. Rugby union is a niche sport in Australia. If it's not careful then it could become a minority sport within the next 10 years.

Look at it from that Southern English bloke's perspective.

All he ever sees of "Rugby" in Australia is regular clips of Wallabies tests against NH teams and the All Blacks on sports bulletins. These are in big stadia with packed crowds.

He will be very lucky to have ever seen footage of the Kangaroos playing in Oz. If he had, the stadium would be half empty at best. Most recent example being the 2017 RLWC where most games were sparsely attended and not even the final between the home nation and England managed to sell out.

What would you conclude if that were your only evidence upon which to judge the relative popularity of the two codes?

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

are you saying that all other NRL clubs have a large contingent of British fans and the Dragons are missing out because their mascot is too off-putting?

Say hello to Puff the off-putting magic Dragon.

Might appeal to the posh oft-puffing back-packer set.

 

[Perth Red]

It's really bizarre for the English to think rugby union is bigger than rugby league in Australia. Rugby union is a niche sport in Australia. If it's not careful then it could become a minority sport within the next 10 years.

Awareness of rugby league in Australia in most English people rates well below awareness of English Rugby League, and thats a pretty low level!

Im a RL fan for life and before I moved here I had very little knowledge of the RL landscape here. Internet of course has changed that a lot for those who go looking but for the masses they have zero exposure in england to Australian RL, so why would they know anything? As said what they do see is Wallabies selling out Twickenham and RUWC's in full stadiums featuring the wallabies so no surprise really.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Look at it from that Southern English bloke's perspective.

All he ever sees of "Rugby" in Australia is regular clips of Wallabies tests against NH teams and the All Blacks on sports bulletins. These are in big stadia with packed crowds.

He will be very lucky to have ever seen footage of the Kangaroos playing in Oz. If he had, the stadium would be half empty at best. Most recent example being the 2017 RLWC where most games were sparsely attended and not even the final between the home nation and England managed to sell out.

What would you conclude if that were your only evidence upon which to judge the relative popularity of the two codes?

Do the English ever wonder why the Kangaroos are dominant while the Wallabies struggle?

I'd love to know what the English would say when they're told the NRL is the largest and most lucrative club competition for either code of rugby!

Awareness of rugby league in Australia in most English people rates well below awareness of English Rugby League, and thats a pretty low level!

Im a RL fan for life and before I moved here I had very little knowledge of the RL landscape here. Internet of course has changed that a lot for those who go looking but for the masses they have zero exposure in england to Australian RL, so why would they know anything? As said what they do see is Wallabies selling out Twickenham and RUWC's in full stadiums featuring the wallabies so no surprise really.

Should the ARLC send representatives to England to dispel these myths?

They could appear on English TV shows to point out that the NRL draws more money from broadcast rights and higher attendances than any other club "rugby" competition on Earth. Show them the value of Origin to the broadcasters and Australian public. It might get a few people interested in watching the competition.

If we had teams in Adelaide, Perth and a third Brisbane team then foreigners would take our game more seriously. As it stands they probably think it's as minor here as it is in England due to most teams coming from Sydney and having small fanbases. Sydney is holding the game back. People overseas won't care for a sport that tries to base itself around one city.

 

[Perth Red]

Do the English ever wonder why the Kangaroos are dominant while the Wallabies struggle?

I'd love to know what the English would say when they're told the NRL is the largest and most lucrative club competition for either code of rugby!



Should the ARLC send representatives to England to dispel these myths?

They could appear on English TV shows to point out that the NRL draws more money from broadcast rights and higher attendances than any other club "rugby" competition on Earth. Show them the value of Origin to the broadcasters and Australian public. It might get a few people interested in watching the competition.

If we had teams in Adelaide, Perth and a third Brisbane team then foreigners would take our game more seriously. As it stands they probably think it's as minor here as it is in England due to most teams coming from Sydney and having small fanbases. Sydney is holding the game back. People overseas won't care for a sport that tries to base itself around one city.

90% of English people would never have heard of the Kangaroos. They'd say 'Whats NRL"?

Getting the NRL on FTA in England would be a massive step forward (id give one game a week and Origin to Ch4 for free ) , but Australia's general ambivalence to growing RL through Internationals, WCC, etc shows there's little appetite here for pushing the brand beyond East coast boundaries.

 

[Wb1234]

Awareness of rugby league in Australia in most English people rates well below awareness of English Rugby League, and thats a pretty low level!

Im a RL fan for life and before I moved here I had very little knowledge of the RL landscape here. Internet of course has changed that a lot for those who go looking but for the masses they have zero exposure in england to Australian RL, so why would they know anything? As said what they do see is Wallabies selling out Twickenham and RUWC's in full stadiums featuring the wallabies so no surprise really.

Still have very little knowledge of the rl landscape now too