WA BEARS

[Wb1234]

and proving that age and experience is no guarantee of common sense lol

Talks about sydney rugby league and doesn’t even know the suburbs behind each club and which are the really really really wealthy ones

 

[Wb1234]

It happened with the Northern Eagles, with Manly benefitting from that joint venture's collapse by having the license revert back to them.

If a joint venture happens between Norths and anywhere else (Perth, Adelaide, PNG, Wellington, Christchurch, where-ever) the bottom line from the NRL itself has to be that if the JV fails, the license becomes the NRL's & it gets used to establish a NEW club in an expansion location - preferably the same city, but definitely not NSW & probably not Queensland.

Exactly

nrl gets the license back

problem solved

god that was easy

@Perth Red

 

[Vibing]

They won't fail anyway so the point is mute..

 

[Perth Red]

It happened with the Northern Eagles, with Manly benefitting from that joint venture's collapse by having the license revert back to them.

If a joint venture happens between Norths and anywhere else (Perth, Adelaide, PNG, Wellington, Christchurch, where-ever) the bottom line from the NRL itself has to be that if the JV fails, the license becomes the NRL's & it gets used to establish a NEW club in an expansion location - preferably the same city, but definitely not NSW & probably not Queensland.

sounds good in theory, but the NRL needs to fulfill its contracts. So say it gets to Sept and the wherever Bears say, sorry just not working. We are happy to be operational in CC next season or you can have the license back. The NRL cant build a club overnight so which option do you think they would go with?
Of course they could do a Newcastle or Gold Coast and take over and run it themselves for a while but teh backlash from the Sydney media of Bears being booted again would be massive, would the ARLC be happy to face that backlash?

All hypotheticals.

 

[flippikat]

Of course they could do a Newcastle or Gold Coast and take over and run it themselves for a while but teh backlash from the Sydney media of Bears being booted again would be massive, would the ARLC be happy to face that backlash?

All hypotheticals.

That's the scenario I'd hope for *if* a Perth Bears JV falls over. The NRL owns & operates the club, for only as long as it takes to find a buyer - and giving that buyer scope to rebrand (if they want), but the club cannot be relocated.

 

[The Great Dane]

It happened with the Northern Eagles, with Manly benefitting from that joint venture's collapse by having the license revert back to them.

If a joint venture happens between Norths and anywhere else (Perth, Adelaide, PNG, Wellington, Christchurch, where-ever) the bottom line from the NRL itself has to be that if the JV fails, the license becomes the NRL's & it gets used to establish a NEW club in an expansion location - preferably the same city, but definitely not NSW & probably not Queensland.

We've had situations like this before, and on paper they sounds great, but they aren't worth the paper they're written on in practice.

The NRL is contractually obliged to provide broadcasters, sponsors, corporates, etc, X-amount of content, and that requires X-amount of teams in the league. That places the NRL in between a rock and a hard place, because it leaves them with very little time to field a team in the next season if they ever want to takeover a license in the manner that's being suggested.

With the exception of the GC Gladiators, where the situation was so bad that they were literally left with no choice, what generally ends up happening is the NRL just allows the club to do what it wants to do instead of reclaiming the license, because that's easier than having to deal with all the legal issues they'd have if they didn't field 18 teams.

Take the Dragons, initially they had an agreement to increase the number of games in the Gong overtime. The St George elements of the club ignored that agreement and did the opposite, and when complaints were made to the NRL they were ignored and the media in Sydney celebrated more games being played at Kogarah.
The same thing would happen with the Bears moving games back to Sydney and/or the CC. They'd white ant their potential in the other market, claim that it's failing and as a result they have no choice but to move games back to NSO, the Daily Tele and media in Sydney would celebrate the move, and the NRL will refuse to intervene both because they don't want to risk breeching their contractual agreements, and because powerful elements within the RL establishment in Sydney would also support the move.

The TL;DR is that what you're suggesting doesn't really work in practice.

 

[Dragonwest]

looking at the difficulties the West Tigers and Dragons still face in a merger 20 odd years later, why start-off that way ...

 

[The Great Dane]

That is it. All Bears have said is they are talking to bid teams.

They have said their terms, Either the bid teams like it and they partner up or the relevant bid teams go alone.

No where have Bears said they will own or run the license

That's not what they've said at all.

They've said they've been contacted by people from multiple markets (and I have it on very good authority that most of those are just dreamers, and not genuine offers from potential business partners BTW), and that they've had inital discussions with the WA government about basing a Bears owned and operated NRL side out of Perth.

In other words they haven't had any serious discussions with other bids or potential partners, at least not publicly, and they've reiterated to their members and fans multiple times that their intention is to go it alone.

 

[Wb1234]

We've had situations like this before, and on paper they sounds great, but they aren't worth the paper they're written on in practice.

The NRL is contractually obliged to provide broadcasters, sponsors, corporates, etc, X-amount of content, and that requires X-amount of teams in the league. That places the NRL in between a rock and a hard place, because it leaves them with very little time to field a team in the next season if they ever want to takeover a license in the manner that's being suggested.

With the exception of the GC Gladiators, where the situation was so bad that they were literally left with no choice, what generally ends up happening is the NRL just allows the club to do what it wants to do instead of reclaiming the license, because that's easier than having to deal with all the legal issues they'd have if they didn't field 18 teams.

Take the Dragons, initially they had an agreement to increase the number of games in the Gong overtime. The St George elements of the club ignored that agreement and did the opposite, and when complaints were made to the NRL they were ignored and the media in Sydney celebrated more games being played at Kogarah.
The same thing would happen with the Bears moving games back to Sydney and/or the CC. They'd white ant their potential in the other market, claim that it's failing and as a result they have no choice but to move games back to NSO, the Daily Tele and media in Sydney would celebrate the move, and the NRL will refuse to intervene both because they don't want to risk breeching their contractual agreements, and because powerful elements within the RL establishment in Sydney would also support the move.

The TL;DR is that what you're suggesting doesn't really work in practice.

They owned the knights and titans for ages till they found new owners

the club continued in the same location

guess you really don’t watch much nrl to forget what happened with the knights and titans

and there were calls to move the titans to Brisbane as well which the arlc ignored

you can make up any fantasy you want but it’s not reality

 

[The Great Dane]

looking at the difficulties the West Tigers and Dragons still face in a merger 20 odd years later, why start-off that way ...

Because your goal isn't a sincere attempt at growing the sport and expanding to a new market, and you're just trying to backdoor a Sydney club you feel was wronged back into the league.

 

[The Great Dane]

They owned the knights and titans for ages till they found new owners

the club continued in the same location

guess you really don’t watch much nrl to forget what happened with the knights and titans

and there were calls to move the titans to Brisbane as well which the arlc ignored

you can make up any fantasy you want but it’s not reality

The Knights and Titans going bankrupt and requiring the NRL to take them over to keep them from folding isn't the same as a club that's solvent choosing to move home games to a different venue in breech of contract, and the NRL then coming in and reclaiming their license as punishment.

They're completely different scenarios, and only the stupid or dishonest would suggest otherwise.

 

[Wb1234]

The Knights and Titans going bankrupt and requiring the NRL to take them over to keep them from folding isn't the same as a club that's solvent choosing to move home games to a different venue in breech of contract, and the NRL then coming in and reclaiming their license as punishment.

They're completely different scenarios, and only the stupid or dishonest would suggest otherwise.

The idea was the club would go broke and the bears would move back to nso

They can’t just move games when they feel like it

stop making up bs

 

[Iamback]

Yeh and the arlc and wa govt are just going to allow that to happen aren’t they

Exactly there will be conditions put on the entry into the comp

 

[Iamback]

It happened with the Northern Eagles, with Manly benefitting from that joint venture's collapse by having the license revert back to them.

If a joint venture happens between Norths and anywhere else (Perth, Adelaide, PNG, Wellington, Christchurch, where-ever) the bottom line from the NRL itself has to be that if the JV fails, the license becomes the NRL's & it gets used to establish a NEW club in an expansion location - preferably the same city, but definitely not NSW & probably not Queensland.

We saw it will GC and Newcastle, NRL funded them until new owners could be found and zero changes were made

 

[greenBV4]

The idea was the club would go broke and the bears would move back to nso

They can’t just move games when they feel like it

stop making up bs

He literally gave an example of St George doing this and the NRL doing nothing about

If the Bears owned the license or even just a controlling stake there is nothing stopping them upping 1-2 games to 2-4, 4-6 etc. over time, and with the Sydney media backing


End of the day if they actually are serious about being based in Perth, and honouring and growing that region, they need fans from Perth to get on side with them, and with the language they've been publically using how can you expect anyone from Perth to want to do this

You say Perth Reds opinions don't matter but as a Perth resident they actually do, as they likely reflect the sentiment of RL supporters from Perth, whereas you and others are looking at it from the perspective of a Sydneysider

 

[Wb1234]

He literally gave an example of St George doing this and the NRL doing nothing about

If the Bears owned the license or even just a controlling stake there is nothing stopping them upping 1-2 games to 2-4, 4-6 etc. over time, and with the Sydney media backing


End of the day if they actually are serious about being based in Perth, and honouring and growing that region, they need fans from Perth to get on side with them, and with the language they've been publically using how can you expect anyone from Perth to want to do this

You say Perth Reds opinions don't matter but as a Perth resident they actually do, as they likely reflect the sentiment of RL supporters from Perth, whereas you and others are looking at it from the perspective of a Sydneysider

Yes there is the arlc and the wa govt will put conditions on how many games they can move

and the bears aren’t getting a controlling stake

 

[greenBV4]

Yes there is the arlc and the wa govt will put conditions on how many games they can move

and the bears aren’t getting a controlling stake

Then someone should tell the bears this, or atleast tell them to stfu, because all they are doing is turning off anyone from Perth from ever wanting to follow them

 

[Wb1234]

Then someone should tell the bears this, or atleast tell them the stfu, because all they are doing is turning off anyone from Perth from ever wanting to follow them

Why not just wait and see how this pans out before assuming anything

the wa govt isn’t going to spend over one hundred million without guarantees as to how many games Perth gets

vlandys has already said Sydney has enough teams there is no support for a full time move back to ns or central coast

i

 

[greenBV4]

Why not just wait and see how this pans out before assuming anything

Because it would be a very boring forum if everyone just said nothing until something happens

 

[Perth Red]

That's not what they've said at all.

They've said they've been contacted by people from multiple markets (and I have it on very good authority that most of those are just dreamers, and not genuine offers from potential business partners BTW), and that they've had inital discussions with the WA government about basing a Bears owned and operated NRL side out of Perth.

In other words they haven't had any serious discussions with other bids or potential partners, at least not publicly, and they've reiterated to their members and fans multiple times that their intention is to go it alone.

June last year they hadnt talked to the WA bid. Might have since but been no confirmation of that.