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flippikat

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Perth 18,
PNG 19
Christchurch/Brisabne3 20
is what it is likely to be. Christchurch needs to show why it should be in ahead of Brisbane3 and that it has the financial clout to be successful.
I can see a split developing in clubland over NZ 2 vs Brisbane 3 for team 20.

The existing Qld clubs (especially Broncos, Dolphins, Titans) and Canberra & Melbourne are probably more likely to want NZ 2 as another Brisbane team is competition for the other Qld teams & means less 'surplus players' for Storm and Raiders to try and snare.

The NSW clubs could lean more towards another Brisbane club, basically because it means $$$ - and they could mine Brisbane Easts for a decent expansion fee.
 

Perth Red

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I can see a split developing in clubland over NZ 2 vs Brisbane 3 for team 20.

The existing Qld clubs (especially Broncos, Dolphins, Titans) and Canberra & Melbourne are probably more likely to want NZ 2 as another Brisbane team is competition for the other Qld teams & means less 'surplus players' for Storm and Raiders to try and snare.

The NSW clubs could lean more towards another Brisbane club, basically because it means $$$ - and they could mine Brisbane Easts for a decent expansion fee.
Ideally we wouldnt be messing around with this PNG non-sense and Christchurch would be 19, but it looks like they are going to have to battle for 20. Depending on if NRL announce all 3 now or hang off could impact their battle with Easts. If NRL waits 5 or 6 years to announce club 20 there may have been enough breathing space for Dolphins for Easts to be in serious contention again and for NZ2 to miss out. I hope not.
 

Wb1234

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Ideally we wouldnt be messing around with this PNG non-sense and Christchurch would be 19, but it looks like they are going to have to battle for 20. Depending on if NRL announce all 3 now or hang off could impact their battle with Easts. If NRL waits 5 or 6 years to announce club 20 there may have been enough breathing space for Dolphins for Easts to be in serious contention again and for NZ2 to miss out. I hope not.
All teams that need govt support shouldn’t be included in the nrl

so that leaves nz2 and Brisbane 3
 

Wb1234

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and again you ignore that up front funding from the WA state government is very different to continual Federal funding and tax breaks required to make PNG viable long term.
Ok png should get the 600 million upfront then lol

was that you holding the sign on Friday night with the reds jersey ?
 

Centy Coast

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Anyone that doesn’t support a Perth standalone team is Sydney centric

even if they aren’t from sydney

it wasn’t a gift

and again you love highlight how govt help for Perth an nrl team but not how it’s going to get png a team
If they gave the Western Bears the same money on offer that’s going to an outside nation like PNG then you’d have no argument from me lol.
 

flippikat

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Ideally we wouldnt be messing around with this PNG non-sense and Christchurch would be 19, but it looks like they are going to have to battle for 20. Depending on if NRL announce all 3 now or hang off could impact their battle with Easts. If NRL waits 5 or 6 years to announce club 20 there may have been enough breathing space for Dolphins for Easts to be in serious contention again and for NZ2 to miss out. I hope not.
You raise two good points.

Firstly - Yes, as it stands teams 18, 19 & 20 SHOULD be Perth, NZ 2 (likely Christchurch) & Brisbane. I'd love it if team 20 was Adelaide or even NZ 3, BUT a) Adelaide hasn't had any of the prep work that Perth has had & b) NZ 3 soon after NZ 2 might be pushing it.

PNG, Fiji, or anywhere else in the Pacific Islands will need subsidies - and probably pretty hefty ones. Then you get to issues around security, infrastructure & plain old disposable income and it really unravels.

Secondly - yeah, timing for team 20 is going to make a huge difference. The further away it is, the better it looks for Brisbane 3, as the Dolphins-Broncos-Titans dynamic would have had longer to "bed in".
 

Centy Coast

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The battle for 20 will be hard fought, the Warriors have been in the NRL for nearly 30 years and haven’t won anything despite having a whole Country to draw upon.
Why would you want to ruin this with another NZ team, especially as it has taken the Warriors so long to get their shit together.
Despite selling out every home game, virtually every new born baby that has kiwi in them is born with an All Blacks jersey.
Team 20 will be hard to decide.
 

Perth Red

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All teams that need govt support shouldn’t be included in the nrl

so that leaves nz2 and Brisbane 3
shall we kick out all clubs that have had a stadium built or improved, a centre of excellence funded or any govt money for jnr programs as well? Could be a very small league!
 

Wb1234

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The battle for 20 will be hard fought, the Warriors have been in the NRL for nearly 30 years and haven’t won anything despite having a whole Country to draw upon.
Why would you want to ruin this with another NZ team, especially as it has taken the Warriors so long to get their shit together.
Despite selling out every home game, virtually every new born baby that has kiwi in them is born with an All Blacks jersey.
Team 20 will be hard to decide.
Articles have said a third Brisbane side won’t be considered as one of the next 3

it will be nz
 

Wb1234

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shall we kick out all clubs that have had a stadium built or improved, a centre of excellence funded or any govt money for jnr programs as well? Could be a very small league!
Yes them too

and clubs whose ground was sold to them below market value to help them out lol
 

flippikat

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The battle for 20 will be hard fought, the Warriors have been in the NRL for nearly 30 years and haven’t won anything despite having a whole Country to draw upon.
Why would you want to ruin this with another NZ team, especially as it has taken the Warriors so long to get their shit together.
Despite selling out every home game, virtually every new born baby that has kiwi in them is born with an All Blacks jersey.
Team 20 will be hard to decide.
The big factors NZ 2 has going for it are

* Rivalry - giving the Warriors an NZ rival to play against & measure their performances against. The biggest NZ sports rivalry is Auckland v Christchurch (Canterbury province)

* Rugby (union and league) culture - compared to Perth & Adelaide, the vast majority of NZ "gets" rugby codes.. and has a pool of players with skills that can be applied to either.

* Growth against Rugby Union - although we focus more on RU, that game is in some strife at it's top "club level", Super Rugby. Compared to the systems, attractive gameplay & competitiveness in the NRL, Super Rugby has some issues. More availability of NRL games here will spur growth in the game here.
 

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Articles have said a third Brisbane side won’t be considered as one of the next 3

it will be nz
Im less convinced now. The NRl remains super conservative.
PNG has only become an option due to silly money meaning zero risk for NRL.
Perth has only become an option due to WA govt support and even then theyve demanded a link up with a sydney club as NRl sees it as less risk.
NZ2 is very risky unless they can front up some serious financial support, which they apparently havent been able to do so far.
the NRl remains as conservative as ever when it comes to expansion. NZ2 will need to find some serious money investors and quick if they are a chance.
 

Wb1234

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Im less convinced now. The NRl remains super conservative.
PNG has only become an option due to silly money meaning zero risk for NRL.
Perth has only become an option if they link with a sydney club as NRl sees it as less risk.
NZ2 is very risky unless they can front up some serious financial support, which they apparently havent been able to do so far.
the NRl remains as conservative as ever when it comes to expansion. NZ2 will need to find some serious money investors and quick if they are a chance.
Brisbane has been ruled out

unlike Perth nz has juniors

And they are valuable for nz tv deal

nrl ratings are through the roof in nz

adding Perth and png isn’t conservative either lol
 

Perth Red

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Brisbane has been ruled out

unlike Perth nz has juniors

And they are valuable for nz tv deal

nrl ratings are through the roof in nz
NRL is super conservative, they will need to address the financial risk before NRL will even consider them.
 

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