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Matt_CBY

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"The NRL expansion submission also included a question about potential licence fees that bids would be willing to pay. The Western Bears consortium indicated they wouldn’t stump up a licence fee."

So was there a licence fee or not.......what a question, why would you say yes if they were asking you if you wanted to.
The question wasn’t “do you want to?”
 

taipan

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As I understand it , bids have all been asked if they would be willing to pay a fee... WA said no.. perhaps other bids have expressed as they should what they would be willing and able to pay.
NRL: do you bring anything to the table?
WA: no
If they brought Perth Red to the table.Thought that would have got them over the line.
Seriously , if Cummins hasn't crossed all the Ts and dotted the Is , when it's obvious the RL wants a WA team, who the hell then stuffed up ?
A WA team IMO takes preference over a PNG one at present ,but long term financial stability is a must.
The other bids apart from PNG appears to have been a bit meh, which is a worry.
 
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The NRL does it's due diligence and rejects a bid they deem not worthy at this time.
That is their job to do that.
Those that are complaining about a license fee, and the Dolphins didn't have to pay one, need to think deeper.
The Dolphins are a sustainable club who brought many more viewers to TV in Qld, that is why they didn't have to pay a fee, their presence already brings in the dollars and will in the next Broadcast Rights negotiations.

Perth got only 131K viewers watching the NRL's biggest game of the season. That there is a serious red flag, and one that they cannot take to the table. This is why they are being asked for a Licensing fee that will provide support and sustainability.
Things already looked a little rocky before the GF, no coincidence that the bid got rejected after those TV rating figures were released.
 

Gobsmacked

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The NRL does it's due diligence and rejects a bid they deem not worthy at this time.
That is their job to do that.
Those that are complaining about a license fee, and the Dolphins didn't have to pay one, need to think deeper.
The Dolphins are a sustainable club who brought many more viewers to TV in Qld, that is why they didn't have to pay a fee, their presence already brings in the dollars and will in the next Broadcast Rights negotiations.

Perth got only 131K viewers watching the NRL's biggest game of the season. That there is a serious red flag, and one that they cannot take to the table. This is why they are being asked for a Licensing fee that will provide support and sustainability.
Things already looked a little rocky before the GF, no coincidence that the bid got rejected after those TV rating figures were released.
Well summarised
 

blue bags

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NRL says to WA Consortium: Bitch better have my honey

Expansion news looking grizzly today, might be a bit embearassing for the NRL. We might have to take a paws before we get past 18 teams.
Hope so before winter hibernation Time
Picnic baskets full of honey
Bring to the negotiation picnic table
Grizzlies Adam's can help
 

Chief_Chujo

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If they brought Perth Red to the table.Thought that would have got them over the line.
Seriously , if Cummins hasn't crossed all the Ts and dotted the Is , when it's obvious the RL wants a WA team, who the hell then stuffed up ?
A WA team IMO takes preference over a PNG one at present ,but long term financial stability is a must.
It does, but it has to be sustainable. Cummins model was clearly asset poor and they hid private ownership which brings all sorts of red flags.
 

flippikat

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Those that are complaining about a license fee, and the Dolphins didn't have to pay one, need to think deeper.
The Dolphins are a sustainable club who brought many more viewers to TV in Qld, that is why they didn't have to pay a fee, their presence already brings in the dollars and will in the next Broadcast Rights negotiations.
A double-standard is still a double-standard, no matter how you try to justify it by "heartland vs afl-land" risk arguments.

The license has a lot of value to the Dolphins, therefore by the precident of just about every comparable "closed shop" league, in the 21st century, they should have paid an admission fee.
 

Fangs

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Redcliffe didn't - and from what I gather that was one of the assumptions in Perth's business case.

If the fee was a pre-requisite THIS bidding round, the NRL needed to say that up-front - so any bids could include that in their business case.

Did the NRL put that expectation there before the bids finalized & submitted their business cases.. well before the deadline?

If not, the NRL have not been operating in good faith.

They have a right to reply and tell us all about how underhanded the NRL have been.

I don't see the Dolphins bid as similar at all. That was yonks ago now. And it was a club with a long history, juniors set up, money etc.

It just looks like this bid has done sweet FA and expected them to have it gift wrapped. What are the WA government offering?
 
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Red&BlackBear

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Found this floating on the Cave.

NRL 2024: Western Bears expansion bid formally rejected by Peter V’landys and ARL Commission

In a stunning development in the battle for the 18th NRL licence, the Western Bears have had their bid to join the league rejected by Peter V’landys and the ARL Commission, opening the door for the NRL to take control of a new team in Perth.

Peter Badel,
Michael Carayannis
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ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys has dropped an expansion bombshell by formally rejecting the Western Bears’ bid, opening the door for the NRL to take control of a new team in Perth.

It is understood the shock development is no threat to the return of the Bears, but will mean the NRL works directly with the WA government on a new franchise as they look to replicate the model that the AFL used with GWS and Tasmania, who are slated to enter their competition in coming years.

The NRL’s decision to explore alternative models comes after the Western Bears’ application to enter the big league in 2027 was knocked back by the ARL Commission amid specific concerns surrounding a multi-million dollar licence fee.

It is understood their bid document did not propose to pay a licence fee despite consortium bosses being told on at least two occasions by senior NRL officials prior to deadline day that they would need to pay a significant amount.

This masthead understands that the new consortium was expected to pay a fee of up to $20 million over the first two years of their existence, which would then have been used to help placate the existing clubs.

The Western Bears bid was an amalgamation of a Perth consortium and North Sydney, and had the support of the West Australian government.

ARL Commission boss Peter V'landys has formally rejected the Western Bears’ bid.
The NRL is continuing talks with the WA government as they weigh up retaining the licence and financing their own team, which would still involve a partnership with the Bears.

It is the same model the AFL has successfully used to expand in recent times, firstly in western Sydney with GWS and then when they announced their plans to add a team in Tasmania in coming years.

In both cases, the AFL retained the licence. The ARL Commission is now considering the same as they consider taking charge of the expansion franchise in its infancy before potentially selling to a private investor in later years.

V’landys hinted at concerns with the existing Western Bears bid - which was headed up by Cash Convertors boss Peter Cumins - at Sunday’s grand final and confirmed it was now on life support.

“The bid that the consortium has put in has been rejected,” V’landys said.

“We will still deal with the Western Australian government to try and resuscitate the bid.

“The bid that they put in was significantly short.
“No bid team can take the expansion process for granted. I have made this clear from day one.

“We will only expand if there is a firm business case and at the moment Perth’s business case doesn’t stack up.

“If we can’t stack it up I can’t take it to the members for consideration. All I will say is that their bid is extremely short.

The Western Bears are an amalgamation of a Perth consortium and North Sydney.

“I will have more talks with the WA government, but not necessarily the current consortium.”
The NRL informed WA government officials that all was not well during Sunday’s grand final.

Despite the obvious setback, Western Australia Premier Roger Cook is still calling on the NRL to have a top flight rugby league side based in Perth for the first time since 1997.

“Western Australia is the obvious choice for a new team, and the NRL knows WA is a great option for the league’s expansion,” Cook said.

“They know WA is a clear market for the NRL, we offer significant broadcasting opportunities that are unmatched by the other bids and a Perth team would be ready to go for the 2027 season.

“The State Government isn’t involved in the consortium’s private bid. However, we have a supporting role and have expressed our willingness to work with the NRL on things like delivering top-tier grounds and high-performance facilities, an expansion of our successful nation-leading player development program in schools, and support to deliver pre-season fixtures in regional WA to help build a brand and get the community behind the club.

“Western Australians have shown extraordinary support for NRL in WA in recent years. I encourage fans to keep showing their support for the league and make it impossible to ignore the momentum we’re seeing here in the west.”

While the WA bid is on the verge of imploding, the NRL’s push to include PNG into the competition looms increasingly likely.

PNG Prime Minister James Marape was at Sunday’s grand final where he met with Australian counterpart Anthony Albanese, opposition leader Peter Dutton and the NRL’s top brass.

Marape said PNG were closing in on entry into the NRL.

“I am happy with the progress so far,” Marape said. “I commend the strong support we are receiving from the Australian Cabinet, as well as the majority of parliament, including members of the opposition. We also acknowledge the substantial financial and administrative backing of the Australian Government.

“There are a few more regulatory processes to complete before an official announcement can be made, but the future is looking bright for our national team.

“This aspiration is not just about sports—it’s about fostering national development and unity. “With over 10 million passionate supporters, a PNG NRL team would further strengthen the bonds between our two nations.”

 
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A double-standard is still a double-standard, no matter how you try to justify it by "heartland vs afl-land" risk arguments.

The license has a lot of value to the Dolphins, therefore by the precident of just about every comparable "closed shop" league, in the 21st century, they should have paid an admission fee.
In that case PNG shouldn't be paying one then, but yet they are. It would be double standards if the Perth bid wasn't asked to put up the fee in this round of bids and PNG were.
The time of the Qld bids was different, and like I said they pay for themselves just in presence.
 

flippikat

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NZ2 is a must for player numbers. QLD 5 should only be a relocation or culling of a Sydney club(pssst its the sharks).
NZ 2 certainly opens up more pathways, and there's a huge pool of junior talent here that can't all make the Super Rugby teams.

Interesting point about Qld 5 being a swap-out or relocation for a Sydney club... BUT a) it'd take a massive unlikely disaster to cripple a Sydney club and b) relocation of a Sydney club to anywhere in Queensland would go down like a cup of cold sick.
 
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WA Bears might not get in for the 2027 season, but surely by the end of the decade. Before the PNG team. We don't want weekly byes.

Or are the NRL wanting the second NZ team as a priority?
 

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