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Looking back on the “18th club, who’s next ?” thread, Peter V’Landys was never ever keen on dealing with Peter Cumins.
Looking back even further V`landys wasn`t even keen on WA, remember the forget the 'rusted-on alf state " remark.
Ironic wouldn`t it if Uncle Nic and co. pressured him to go there and it turns out all along he was right and there wasn`t the money because companies over there won`t touch anything that`s not fumbleball.
 

Wb1234

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Found this floating on the Cave.

NRL 2024: Western Bears expansion bid formally rejected by Peter V’landys and ARL Commission

In a stunning development in the battle for the 18th NRL licence, the Western Bears have had their bid to join the league rejected by Peter V’landys and the ARL Commission, opening the door for the NRL to take control of a new team in Perth.

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ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys has dropped an expansion bombshell by formally rejecting the Western Bears’ bid, opening the door for the NRL to take control of a new team in Perth.

It is understood the shock development is no threat to the return of the Bears, but will mean the NRL works directly with the WA government on a new franchise as they look to replicate the model that the AFL used with GWS and Tasmania, who are slated to enter their competition in coming years.

The NRL’s decision to explore alternative models comes after the Western Bears’ application to enter the big league in 2027 was knocked back by the ARL Commission amid specific concerns surrounding a multi-million dollar licence fee.

It is understood their bid document did not propose to pay a licence fee despite consortium bosses being told on at least two occasions by senior NRL officials prior to deadline day that they would need to pay a significant amount.

This masthead understands that the new consortium was expected to pay a fee of up to $20 million over the first two years of their existence, which would then have been used to help placate the existing clubs.

The Western Bears bid was an amalgamation of a Perth consortium and North Sydney, and had the support of the West Australian government.

ARL Commission boss Peter V'landys has formally rejected the Western Bears’ bid.
The NRL is continuing talks with the WA government as they weigh up retaining the licence and financing their own team, which would still involve a partnership with the Bears.

It is the same model the AFL has successfully used to expand in recent times, firstly in western Sydney with GWS and then when they announced their plans to add a team in Tasmania in coming years.

In both cases, the AFL retained the licence. The ARL Commission is now considering the same as they consider taking charge of the expansion franchise in its infancy before potentially selling to a private investor in later years.

V’landys hinted at concerns with the existing Western Bears bid - which was headed up by Cash Convertors boss Peter Cumins - at Sunday’s grand final and confirmed it was now on life support.

“The bid that the consortium has put in has been rejected,” V’landys said.

“We will still deal with the Western Australian government to try and resuscitate the bid.

“The bid that they put in was significantly short.
“No bid team can take the expansion process for granted. I have made this clear from day one.

“We will only expand if there is a firm business case and at the moment Perth’s business case doesn’t stack up.

“If we can’t stack it up I can’t take it to the members for consideration. All I will say is that their bid is extremely short.

The Western Bears are an amalgamation of a Perth consortium and North Sydney.

“I will have more talks with the WA government, but not necessarily the current consortium.”
The NRL informed WA government officials that all was not well during Sunday’s grand final.

Despite the obvious setback, Western Australia Premier Roger Cook is still calling on the NRL to have a top flight rugby league side based in Perth for the first time since 1997.

“Western Australia is the obvious choice for a new team, and the NRL knows WA is a great option for the league’s expansion,” Cook said.

“They know WA is a clear market for the NRL, we offer significant broadcasting opportunities that are unmatched by the other bids and a Perth team would be ready to go for the 2027 season.

“The State Government isn’t involved in the consortium’s private bid. However, we have a supporting role and have expressed our willingness to work with the NRL on things like delivering top-tier grounds and high-performance facilities, an expansion of our successful nation-leading player development program in schools, and support to deliver pre-season fixtures in regional WA to help build a brand and get the community behind the club.

“Western Australians have shown extraordinary support for NRL in WA in recent years. I encourage fans to keep showing their support for the league and make it impossible to ignore the momentum we’re seeing here in the west.”

While the WA bid is on the verge of imploding, the NRL’s push to include PNG into the competition looms increasingly likely.

PNG Prime Minister James Marape was at Sunday’s grand final where he met with Australian counterpart Anthony Albanese, opposition leader Peter Dutton and the NRL’s top brass.

Marape said PNG were closing in on entry into the NRL.

“I am happy with the progress so far,” Marape said. “I commend the strong support we are receiving from the Australian Cabinet, as well as the majority of parliament, including members of the opposition. We also acknowledge the substantial financial and administrative backing of the Australian Government.

“There are a few more regulatory processes to complete before an official announcement can be made, but the future is looking bright for our national team.

“This aspiration is not just about sports—it’s about fostering national development and unity. “With over 10 million passionate supporters, a PNG NRL team would further strengthen the bonds between our two nations.”

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“It is understood their bid document did not propose to pay a licence fee despite consortium bosses being told on at least two occasions by senior NRL officials prior to deadline day that they would need to pay a significant amount.”

Cummins is a DOPE
 

Colk

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There are multiple teams in this competition who won’t go close to winning a competition in any of our lifetimes, yet we want to add more clubs who won’t win anything in our lifetime. Hopefully this means we pull the brakes on everything. We should be demoting a few sides to NSW Cup in reality
 
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*applause* NOW you get it.
Why do you think they are though?
When Abdo and PVL take these bids to the commission and the clubs don't you think the first question asked is "what do they bring to the table? Are they going to produce more funds to the game or drain it?"
If you can honestly say that both bids will undeniably bring the extra funds needed to make the game bigger, and they can financially survive in their structures then fair enough.
 

flippikat

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There are multiple teams in this competition who won’t go close to winning a competition in any of our lifetimes, yet we want to add more clubs who won’t win anything in our lifetime. Hopefully this means we pull the brakes on everything. We should be demoting a few sides to NSW Cup in reality
100% we should be demoting teams to NSW Cup.
 

Wb1234

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Before the dolphins everyone was afraid of expansion

Seeing how successful and how much money the dolphins are making has made everyone aware how valuable an nrl license is

The fact pvl was able to squeeze 60 mill out of the Aussie govt as a license fee would’ve confirmed he should get one out of Perth
 

Red&BlackBear

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“It is understood their bid document did not propose to pay a licence fee despite consortium bosses being told on at least two occasions by senior NRL officials prior to deadline day that they would need to pay a significant amount.”

Cummins is a DOPE

Commercial beast he said…
 

flippikat

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Why do you think they are though?
When Abdo and PVL take these bids to the commission and the clubs don't you think the first question asked is "what do they bring to the table? Are they going to produce more funds to the game or drain it?"
If you can honestly say that both bids will undeniably bring the extra funds needed to make the game bigger, and they can financially survive in their structures then fair enough.

Uhh.. but I'm pretty sure expansion fees DON'T work like that in any other closed-shop sports leagues.

Basically, it's a case of "you want a seat at the table? Pony-up!"

Relative risks don't factor into it - and I'm pretty sure that no team going into the NBA or NHL would get a fee-free spor because "Hey, your risk profile is damn fine!"

Yet you say it should with the NRL?!?
 

MugaB

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Because they are morons who couldnt organise a pss up in a brewery. Vlandys has along track record of appaling negotiation outcomes yet many on here still kiss his dck at any opportunity.
Geez didn't I tell you months ago that there would be a licence fee... fkn dopes you all are, you seriously think this is a PVL or ARLC issue, it's the clubs dopey, the ones that vote this in.. these clubs were pushing for the dolphins to pay up a licence fee last minute, pvl said it was too late, this admin wants more expansion, its not trying to burden the bidders with fees, but the clubs are looking to get paid, we all knew this was coming... same as the sweetener from PNG... your all loose units if you didn't see this coming... grow up all pro teams will be paying this entry fee
 

Canard

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There are multiple teams in this competition who won’t go close to winning a competition in any of our lifetimes, yet we want to add more clubs who won’t win anything in our lifetime. Hopefully this means we pull the brakes on everything. We should be demoting a few sides to NSW Cup in reality
There are multiple teams in the NRL that couldn't afford the "licence" fee also
 
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The Dolphins are a sustainable club who brought many more viewers to TV in Qld,
How many of those watched League already, the majority I`d guess.
Perth got only 131K viewers watching the NRL's biggest game of the season. That there is a serious red flag, and one that they cannot take to the table
And Melbourne got 550k, what`s the difference here.
 
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Uhh.. but I'm pretty sure expansion fees DON'T work like that in any other closed-shop sports leagues.

Basically, it's a case of "you want a seat at the table? Pony-up!"

Relative risks don't factor into it - and I'm pretty sure that no team going into the NBA or NHL would get a fee-free spor because "Hey, your risk profile is damn fine!"

Yet you say it should with the NRL?!?
You cannot compare the US sports Behemoths to the NRL, the money involved between those and ours are not in the same stratosphere.
The NRL is a different company, they are working with what they have.
 

Gobsmacked

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Uhh.. but I'm pretty sure expansion fees DON'T work like that in any other closed-shop sports leagues.

Basically, it's a case of "you want a seat at the table? Pony-up!"

Relative risks don't factor into it - and I'm pretty sure that no team going into the NBA or NHL would get a fee-free spor because "Hey, your risk profile is damn fine!"

Yet you say it should with the NRL?!?
There's people who pay to enter a night club and there's people that the night club pays them to appear at their club.
WA were confused by which one they were.
 

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