WA BEARS

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I have heard this argument many times before and from the perspective of quality of each individual game played then it has merit, however, essentially from a commercial perspective, wherein money or funds are derived from broadcasters, it is difficult to argue that you are going to gain more from them by selling less content.

Now obviously there is a point wherein supply meets demand and there is a perfect number to be determined; however, I wouldn’t suggest we have reached that point or gone over that point, because the game is still growing and there are markets that you don’t have any presence in.

Content is important for a subscription based service. Ratings are the most important metric for FTA networks who only air three or four games per round. When ratings start to decline then the commercial value of the games to the FTA networks does as well. Both Ch7 and Ch9 are experiencing a sizeable decline in viewership for AwFuL and NRL. It will lower the amount they're willing to spend on either game.

Yes in that it’s clear they will not change the brand and want to own the club, two things that would be disastrous for a perth club.

If they're not going to change the lyrics to their song or the name of the club then it's useless to Perth. Just calling them "The Bears" won't work. It'll just alienate North Sydney supporters and draw apathy from Western Australians.

Times have changed and the bulk of the money comes from content. Who knows into the future if more content equals more dollars or not.

ultimately if the nrl keeps upping the club grant and salary cap then that in itself will limit number of clubs based on revenue. If clubs spent less money, players got less money then the nrl could afford 22 clubs now on the revenue it has.

Foxtel pays for content as they air every game. Ch9 only broadcast three games per round until Rd 20, then they air a fourth game until the finals. Expansion does nothing for Ch9 unless the new teams add viewers to the game. The Dolphins will benefit Ch9 in Queensland, but by how much is the real question. We won't know until they've been around dor five or ten years. Ch9 haven't increased their payments to us by much over the last two or three deals.

 

[Perth Red]

Content is important for a subscription based service. Ratings are the most important metric for FTA networks who only air three or four games per round. When ratings start to decline then the commercial value of the games to the FTA networks does as well. Both Ch7 and Ch9 are experiencing a sizeable decline in viewership for AwFuL and NRL. It will lower the amount they're willing to spend on either game.



If they're not going to change the lyrics to their song or the name of the club then it's useless to Perth. Just calling them "The Bears" won't work. It'll just alienate North Sydney supporters and draw apathy from Western Australians.


Foxtel pays for content as they air every game. Ch9 only broadcast three games per round until Rd 20, then they air a fourth game until the finals. Expansion does nothing for Ch9 unless the new teams add viewers to the game. The Dolphins will benefit Ch9 in Queensland, but by how much is the real question. We won't know until they've been around dor five or ten years. Ch9 haven't increased their payments to us by much over the last two or three deals.

Not really re fta. If they can get a 4th game game that numbers rate much higher than the dross they have in that slot then it is still of value to them as they can pitch the numbers in the advertising sell. PTV will get the game anyways as they have all games. The best return will be if they can sell it to FTA and PTV. Be nice to think they have built into the contract they can sell it to a third party but that is highly unlikely. 2 FTA games on Ch9 and 2 on a second FTA provider plus all on streaming/ptv wouldn't be a bad outcome.

Yeh I can see us WA fans being impressed at hearing the players singing about north sydney in the change rooms lol The biggest threat to a successful WA club is if fans and businesses here perceive it as a sydney club playing games in perth. That will kill it before it gets going.

There was no increase from Ch9 for the Dolphins, despite some on here saying how valuable a second Brisbane club would be to them lol. I recall me saying that the only value would be in a ninth game, not a 17th club, and lo and behold the tv deal is no bigger for 17 clubs.

 

[siv]

Content is important for a subscription based service. Ratings are the most important metric for FTA networks who only air three or four games per round. When ratings start to decline then the commercial value of the games to the FTA networks does as well. Both Ch7 and Ch9 are experiencing a sizeable decline in viewership for AwFuL and NRL. It will lower the amount they're willing to spend on either game.



If they're not going to change the lyrics to their song or the name of the club then it's useless to Perth. Just calling them "The Bears" won't work. It'll just alienate North Sydney supporters and draw apathy from Western Australians.


Foxtel pays for content as they air every game. Ch9 only broadcast three games per round until Rd 20, then they air a fourth game until the finals. Expansion does nothing for Ch9 unless the new teams add viewers to the game. The Dolphins will benefit Ch9 in Queensland, but by how much is the real question. We won't know until they've been around dor five or ten years. Ch9 haven't increased their payments to us by much over the last two or three deals.

You mean like how The Dolphins alienates club supporters?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

There isn't a code in the world that "waits" until all its clubs are on a level playing field before expansion. Mainly because that's an impossible to obtain, and individual teams success is cyclical.

The AFL in the last Decade is clear testament to this, they have added two teams that on field have done very little, and have at least 3 or 4 more that are struggling results wise.

Our game is unique in how it is governed. We use an archaic junior boundaries system in Sydney that has never worked. Our administration seems to only care about preserving a broken model that keeps the balance of power in Sydney.

I think Arthurson and Quayle really set the game back when they added four clubs in 1995 under such harsh terms. I know the Cowboys and Reds were required to foot the flight and accommodation costs of all visiting teams across both grades. It bankrupted both clubs and forced them to sign with Super League to survive. I wouldn't be surprised if Warriors and Crushers were slugged with the burden too. We all know what happened to the Crushers after they stayed with the ARL.

The ARLC held off on expansion prior to PVL taking the helm due to some clubs not being solvent. There will be people within the game's administration that use talent depth as an excuse to not expand out of self-interest.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Not really re fta. If they can get a 4th game game that numbers rate much higher than the dross they have in that slot then it is still of value to them as they can pitch the numbers in the advertising sell. PTV will get the game anyways as they have all games. The best return will be if they can sell it to FTA and PTV. Be nice to think they have built into the contract they can sell it to a third party but that is highly unlikely. 2 FTA games on Ch9 and 2 on a second FTA provider plus all on streaming/ptv wouldn't be a bad outcome.

Yeh I can see us WA fans being impressed at hearing the players singing about north sydney in the change rooms lol The biggest threat to a successful WA club is if fans and businesses here perceive it as a sydney club playing games in perth. That will kill it before it gets going.

There was no increase from Ch9 for the Dolphins, despite some on here saying how valuable a second Brisbane club would be to them lol. I recall me saying that the only value would be in a ninth game, not a 17th club, and lo and behold the tv deal is no bigger for 17 clubs.

We don't know if there's a demand for a ninth game from Foxtel. They want all games to be played in a unique timeslot and they're not interested in paying anymore than they currently do. There's bigger all time slots available for a ninth game.

What we do know is Ch9 had a chance to broadcast four games each round under Dave Smith. They chose to sell the Saturday game back to Foxtel and even gave up exclusivity rights to the other three. They're not interested in forming an arrangement with another FTA network.

Foxtel is in debt to the tune of $2 billion. Good luck getting an increase out of them.

“we have a strong brand and it would be an ownership model from our end”

dI’d you even read the article and watch the video? Lol

yeh it might be bluster to keep the old brigade happy, and yeh they might concede ownership to the west and some brand changes to make it a perth club, but that’s not what he’s currently saying.
Your appetite to ignore what’s being put out by the bears would suggest you’re very much in favour regardless, which no one is surprised about given how Sydney centric you are.

simply put there are there key factors, the club must be owned by WA people,Nat least 11 games must be in perth and the brand must strongly represent perth or wa. Those are non negotiables imo and would seem are the same for north Sydney so the likelihood of it happening seem pretty slim at this point,

seems Dane was right, which I was hoping he wasnt as I could see some strong beneficial outcomes to a west coast bears.

For a Perth team to work then the following must happen.

• All 12 games must be in Perth.
  
• Club is called Perth or West Coast. Western Australia or Western could work.
  
• Club is owned by a local consortium.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You mean like how The Dolphins alienates club supporters?

Redcliffe fans are pissed off about it to some extent. I'm pissed off by it and I'm not a traditional Redcliffe fan. I support Wynnum Manly Seagulls. I've adopted The Dolphins as my second NRL club behind the North Queensland Cowboys, but I think they should be called Moreton Bay Dolphins at NRL level so they can develop a fanbase across Moreton Bay, Redlands and the eastern suburbs of Brisbane.

 

[Wb1234]

We don't know if there's a demand for a ninth game from Foxtel. They want all games to be played in a unique timeslot and they're not interested in paying anymore than they currently do. There's bigger all time slots available for a ninth game.

What we do know is Ch9 had a chance to broadcast four games each round under Dave Smith. They chose to sell the Saturday game back to Foxtel and even gave up exclusivity rights to the other three. They're not interested in forming an arrangement with another FTA network.

Foxtel is in debt to the tune of $2 billion. Good luck getting an increase out of them.



For a Perth team to work then the following must happen.

• All 12 games must be in Perth.
• Club is called Perth or West Coast. Western Australia or Western could work.
• Club is owned by a local consortium.

Monday or Sunday night

 

[Canard]

This is the only Puddy that should matter

 

[Perth Red]

Monday or Sunday night

Fta would love a Monday night. Shame it sucks for fans who want to support their club And creates fixture issues.

ptv would love a Sunday night exclusive

if the game is to go beyond 18 clubs then it will require a rethink on game times and a move to multi games on at same time. Afl do it now so can’t see why we are so fixated on stand alone slots.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Fta would love a Monday night. Shame it sucks for fans who want to support their club And creates fixture issues.

ptv would love a Sunday night exclusive

if the game is to go beyond 18 clubs then it will require a rethink on game times and a move to multi games on at same time. Afl do it now so can’t see why we are so fixated on stand alone slots.

Foxtel want all games live and exclusive so they can command maximum advertising revenue. If they put games alongside one another in the same time slot then they'll cannibalise their audience.

 

[Wb1234]

Fta would love a Monday night. Shame it sucks for fans who want to support their club And creates fixture issues.

ptv would love a Sunday night exclusive

if the game is to go beyond 18 clubs then it will require a rethink on game times and a move to multi games on at same time. Afl do it now so can’t see why we are so fixated on stand alone slots.

If they get desperate for new time slots sat 200 or Sunday midday are still options they’ve used in the past

the crowds for bad time slots isn’t so far below the average and the benefit will be outweighed by tv deals.


league should try and avoid overlapping games as it will affect the ratings per game. We shouldn’t give up our biggest advantage over afl

 

[siv]

If they get desperate for new time slots sat 200 or Sunday midday are still options they’ve used in the past

the crowds for bad time slots isn’t so far below the average and the benefit will be outweighed by tv deals.


league should try and avoid overlapping games as it will affect the ratings per game. We shouldn’t give up our biggest advantage over afl

Guess it comes down to the following

Do we want bums in seats at the ground or bums in seats in the lounge room

We have 200k members and around 200k viewers on Fox

So that us pretty stable

 

[Perth Red]

Foxtel want all games live and exclusive so they can command maximum advertising revenue. If they put games alongside one another in the same time slot then they'll cannibalise their audience.

Fox’s money comes from subscriptions not advertising, running game at same time doesnt effect them. If more teams and more games gets more subscribers that’s all they care about.

 

[Perth Red]

If they get desperate for new time slots sat 200 or Sunday midday are still options they’ve used in the past

the crowds for bad time slots isn’t so far below the average and the benefit will be outweighed by tv deals.


league should try and avoid overlapping games as it will affect the ratings per game. We shouldn’t give up our biggest advantage over afl

Afl overlap games, broadcast differ t games live into different states and still get more money, it’s clearly not that big an issue.

 

[Perth Red]

Guess it comes down to the following

Do we want bums in seats at the ground or bums in seats in the lounge room

We have 200k members and around 200k viewers on Fox

So that us pretty stable

Why not both? Nrl,earns money from tv, clubs could earn more. money for bums on seats. either we stop worrying about crowds and nrl needs to up club grants for a bigger share of tv revenue or we need to find a happy balance So clubs can earn more from a bigger active fanbase.

 

[The Great Dane]

Well if you want to say you are delusional who am I to argue with you ?

Strange. . . Nowhere did I suggest that I was delusional.

 

[The Great Dane]

yeh it might be bluster to keep the old brigade happy, and yeh they might concede ownership to the west and some brand changes to make it a perth club, but that’s not what he’s currently saying.

If Dickson did that he'd lose the majority of the old brigade, which would totally defeat the purpose of merging with the Bears anyway because the old brigade is pretty much all the Bears have left.

At that point Perth would be sacrificing a lot to gain very little.

 

[Canard]

Afl overlap games, broadcast differ t games live into different states and still get more money, it’s clearly not that big an issue.

The make-up of the competition means that you would have overlapping games in the same time zone and market. That's not desirable to a broadcaster.

Why is this an topic anyway though? we have non overlapping TV slots for 9 games currently? Thu, 2xFri, 3×Sat and 3×Sun.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Fox’s money comes from subscriptions not advertising, running game at same time doesnt effect them. If more teams and more games gets more subscribers that’s all they care about.

If they didn't make a significant amount of money from advertising then they wouldn't air commercials. They need all the money they can get with people downgrading from a $75 per month Foxtel subscription to a $27.5 per month Kayo subscription. Even Netflix is thinking of introducing commercials to offset losses incurred from subscriber churn.

If running the game at the same time didn't affect them then they wouldn't insist on having every game played in a unique timeslot.

 

[Perth Red]

If they didn't make a significant amount of money from advertising then they wouldn't air commercials. They need all the money they can get with people downgrading from a $75 per month Foxtel subscription to a $27.5 per month Kayo subscription. Even Netflix is thinking of introducing commercials to offset losses incurred from subscriber churn.

If running the game at the same time didn't affect them then they wouldn't insist on having every game played in a unique timeslot.

They run a few adds at HT, it’s a pittance of their revenue compared to subscriptions. yes they do have them in unique slots now because we only have 8 games. But we are talking about when we go past 9 games in years to come. they dont insist on it for afl.

As Canard said we have 9 unique time slots available so not an issue now. Though fri 6pm is a shthouse time for a game.

bringing Perth in opens up that 6pm slot nicely. Nrl gets another day game, perth gets a family friendly 4pm kick off and fox gets its exclusive time slot to create a three game Sunday to match their super Saturday,