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[MugaB]

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Gallop highlighted that area almost 15 years ago

they will be team 19

Gallop isn't PVL, Broncos are the city and west of it, titans are GC and south SEQ Dolphins are north SEQ/south CQ, cows are north QLD/Northern CQ thats all thats needed, all areas covered.... the ARLC want NZ2 but will settle on Perth provided its not a dud Titans-like side, which is why PVL talks up the bears as theyd be happy for a Nsw cup team promoted over a brand new franchise... and if Easts Tigers did the same (picked up and NRL'd to Perth) Arlc would be all for it

 

[Wb1234]

Gallop isn't PVL, Broncos are the city and west of it, titans are GC and south SEQ Dolphins are north SEQ/south CQ, cows are north QLD/Northern CQ thats all thats needed, all areas covered.... the ARLC want NZ2 but will settle on Perth provided its not a dud Titans-like side, which is why PVL talks up the bears as theyd be happy for a Nsw cup team promoted over a brand new franchise... and if Easts Tigers did the same (picked up and NRL'd to Perth) Arlc would be all for it

Easts are no chance the broncos won’t allow it

it’ll be sw Brisbane

 

[MugaB]

Easts are no chance the broncos won’t allow it

it’ll be sw Brisbane

Easts tigs in Perth? why not norths are currently mulling it over

 

[Wb1234]

Easts tigs in Perth? why not norths are currently mulling it over

There’s already a tigers in the nrl. So what would they be giving. They can’t use the colours or the name

plus vlandys has a hard on for the bears

 

[MugaB]

There’s already a tigers in the nrl. So what would they be giving. They can’t use the colours or the name

plus vlandys has a hard on for the bears

Easts will own the club, provide the juniors, name the colors, mascot... perth firedicks whatever..

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I get what you're saying but Sydney has 9 NRL clubs and it hasn't squeezed out the competition from other codes.... Perth has 2 AFL clubs and some of the Sydney expansion experts think there is no room for League in Perth lol, it's quite hilarious.

The Sydney NRL teams kind of do make it really tough on other codes though. The Swans got a nice gift from us in the 90s but haven't shown any real growth since then and GWS is struggling big time.

The Waratahs boomed after the SL war and into the early 2000s but have struggled and the A League got off to a good start but has faded.

Now that RL is getting its mojo back and some decent facilities in Sydney, the future is bleak for the other codes when it comes to finding any meaningful growth

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Easts are no chance the broncos won’t allow it

it’ll be sw Brisbane

What makes you think Broncos will want a team in Ipswich?

They have a massive fanbase in Ipswich and a rich history of unearthing talent from the region. The current coaching staff of the club is made up of Ipswich rugby league royalty. There's probably more Broncos fans in Ipswich and the southwestern suburbs of Brisbane than any other region of metropolitan Brisbane.

 

[The Great Dane]

The Sydney NRL teams kind of do make it really tough on other codes though. The Swans got a nice gift from us in the 90s but haven't shown any real growth since then and GWS is struggling big time.

The Waratahs boomed after the SL war and into the early 2000s but have struggled and the A League got off to a good start but has faded.

Now that RL is getting its mojo back and some decent facilities in Sydney, the future is bleak for the other codes when it comes to finding any meaningful growth

Correlation doesn't equal causation.

The Swans started going well after Tony Lockett joined in 95, carried them to their first GF in 50 years in 96, and was the head of a team that lead the way to a golden age that arguably continues more or less to this day.

Super 12 went well because of a mixture of the novelty factor, the excitement for the coming 2003 WC, and the fact that the standard of play in RU in the southern hemisphere at the time was actually really high. It's no coincidence that it's popularity tanks after 03 when a new, incredibly regressive, standard of play takes over from the old exciting one, the WC is in the review mirror, and SANZAR proceeded to make a bunch of really bad business decisions.

A-league didn't start until well after SL, so I don't know why we are even trying to pin their "success" on SL. They also didn't hit their peak in popularity until the early 2010s, after which they made a series of really bad business decisions of their own, that more or less stopped that growth in it's tracks, but I digress.

The point is that you don't need the SL war to explain the successes and failures of the other codes, in fact Occam's razor would suggest that with the sole exception of Super Rugby (that only happened because of the professionalisation of RL) that SL had no significant effect on the popularity of any of the other codes.

Frankly, trying to blame the other codes successes and failures on SL is at once an excuse for RL's own failures and a sickening form of self flattery that suggests a bloated sense of self importance within the sport.

 

[The Great Dane]

It encapsulates a severe inferiority complex and a lack of understanding about how markets work.

The fact that so many people think that flooding the market with variations of one product will decrease demand for another is hilariously weird. It simply doesn't follow.

The Cola Wars and competition in the fast food industry are excellent examples of why this strategy doesn't work. It doesn't matter how many different flavours of Coke they come up with, there will always be people that prefer Pepsi, and vice versa.

 

[Colk]

The fact that so many people think that flooding the market with variations of one product will decrease demand for another is hilariously weird. It simply doesn't follow.

The Cola Wars and competition in the fast food industry are excellent examples of why this strategy doesn't work. It doesn't matter how many different flavours of Coke they come up with, there will always be people that prefer Pepsi, and vice versa.

Exactly, it is just common sense

Hypothetically. you could put 50 NRL sides in Sydney and Brisbane and there will still be people who will choose not to consume RL because they like other sports more or they don’t like sports at all.

All you need to do is give people access to a particular product or service and thus the ability or choice to consume that product. If it is a good product or service and people are made aware of that product or service then there is a good chance that they will choose to consume that product or service.

 

[Wb1234]

The fact that so many people think that flooding the market with variations of one product will decrease demand for another is hilariously weird. It simply doesn't follow.

The Cola Wars and competition in the fast food industry are excellent examples of why this strategy doesn't work. It doesn't matter how many different flavours of Coke they come up with, there will always be people that prefer Pepsi, and vice versa.

If your talking about flooding the market there is no better example than gws and gcs

describing 3 teams in Brisbane is hardly flooding

 

[Perth Red]

Maybe so, but their crowds have never been full capacity if the records are anything to go by. In the two years before COVID-19 the attendances for Perth Stadium were 53,513 in 2019 and 53,250 in 2018 at a venue that has a capacity of 60k. Great crowds that shit on the Broncos, but it could be argued they only got them due to the thrill of it being a brand new venue. For all we know, 33k might be the long-term average for Perth Stadium. Subiaco Oval had a capacity of 43k, yet the average for the Eagles at that venue surpassed 40k just three times over 31 seasons. The average between 2008 and 2017 never surpassed 37,653 in 2008.

They have to set aside a few thousand for travelling fans, have a couple,of thou for Flexi membership rest would be corporates and no shows. They’ve literarily sold every available seat (around 50k now) for 15 years and have around 9,000 waiting for a full ticketed membership still Who have to pay an annual fee just to stay in the list! At subi they had 39k full memberships available in the 43.5k capacity. some people had been waiting for a full membership for 15 years!
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[The Great Dane]

If your talking about flooding the market there is no better example than gws and gcs

describing 3 teams in Brisbane is hardly flooding

Describing two teams in Sydney and one on the GC is definitely not flooding the market either, but you are missing the point. It doesn't matter how many NRL sides you put in Brisbane, it'll have little to no impact on demand for the AFL.

Another lesson we can learn that is displayed well by the junk and fast food industry is that most people decide their preferences in adolescence.

McDonald's found that the younger they can get a kid to develop a habit of eating their food (i.e. addicted to it) the more they seemed to prefer it over their competition. In other words kids they got addicted to their food in youth would more likely than not still eat competitors food in adulthood, but they'd form a preference for their (McDonald's) food and not only would eat it more often than people whom weren't addicted to it at a young age, but would also eat it more often on average than their competitors food so long as it was available.

They also found that more often than not the child's preference for food informs the parent's decision and not the other way around. In other words, more often than not the parents would buy the food the kids want, over what they would prefer, once they had decided they were going to buy takeaway for the meal. Which is where things like happy meals come in.

So if you want to eat into a competitors market then you've got to get their kids, and get them as young as possible.

In the professional sports industry the most effective way to do that is through direct on the ground interaction through the grassroots, and sure expansion of the professional level can be a part of that (how are you going to get direct interaction in a place without a team for example), but in most places that have teams it's not a necessity, and can even be a negative (you never want to oversaturate a market).

 

[Wb1234]

Describing two teams in Sydney and one on the GC is definitely not flooding the market either, but you are missing the point. It doesn't matter how many NRL sides you put in Brisbane, it'll have little to no impact on demand for the AFL.

Another lesson we can learn that is displayed well by the junk and fast food industry is that most people decide their preferences in adolescence.

McDonald's found that the younger they can get a kid to develop a habit of eating their food (i.e. addicted to it) the more they seemed to prefer it over their competition. In other words kids they got addicted to their food in youth would more likely than not still eat competitors food in adulthood, but they'd form a preference for their (McDonald's) food and not only would eat it more often than people whom weren't addicted to it at a young age, but would also eat it more often on average than their competitors food so long as it was available.

They also found that more often than not the child's preference for food informs the parent's decision and not the other way around. In other words, more often than not the parents would buy the food the kids want, over what they would prefer, once they had decided they were going to buy takeaway for the meal. Which is where things like happy meals come in.

So if you want to eat into a competitors market then you've got to get their kids, and get them as young as possible.

In the professional sports industry the most effective way to do that is through direct on the ground interaction through the grassroots, and sure expansion of the professional level can be a part of that (how are you going to get direct interaction in a place without a team for example), but in most places that have teams it's not a necessity, and can even be a negative (you never want to oversaturate a market).

Oh well I agree with vlandys

the dolphins are going to harm the lions

they will even help the broncos tits and a

afl is stuffed in qld their clubs are weak and with the dolphins they will both need more support

Gws and gcs are flooding the market there wasn’t demand for them and the only thing keeping them alive is the afl giving them ten million more than the average club

 

[mongoose]

Oh well I agree with vlandys

the dolphins are going to harm the lions

they will even help the broncos tits and a

afl is stuffed in qld their clubs are weak and with the dolphins they will both need more support

Gws and gcs are flooding the market there wasn’t demand for them and the only thing keeping them alive is the afl giving them ten million more than the average club

The Lions got 28k last weekend, the Broncos only got 2k more than that and they are in the top 4.....

you and all you Sydney based fools bury your head in the sand regarding AFL in NSW and QLD because you're too scared to admit they have made big in roads. The only way for NRL to counter it is to expand, properly expand - not add more suburban teams in Brisbane, not bring back the Bears, not put teams in nowhere rural places like central qld.

 

[Perth Red]

The Lions got 28k last weekend, the Broncos only got 2k more than that and they are in the top 4.....

you and all you Sydney based fools bury your head in the sand regarding AFL in NSW and QLD because you're too scared to admit they have made big in roads. The only way for NRL to counter it is to expand, properly expand - not add more suburban teams in Brisbane, not bring back the Bears, not put teams in nowhere rural places like central qld.

sadly the nrl has no strategy and limited revenue for such things. I think if people knew how much funding the nrl gives to expansion states they’d be genuinely shocked. but hey two states playing each other is the pinnacle of the game here so we really should expect too much!

Vlandys has just said participation and jnrs are going to be their priority for this tv money period, let’s see if it’s more rhetoric or they Can actually deliver it nationally.

 

[Wb1234]

The Lions got 28k last weekend, the Broncos only got 2k more than that and they are in the top 4.....

you and all you Sydney based fools bury your head in the sand regarding AFL in NSW and QLD because you're too scared to admit they have made big in roads. The only way for NRL to counter it is to expand, properly expand - not add more suburban teams in Brisbane, not bring back the Bears, not put teams in nowhere rural places like central qld.

The lions get 26 million a year from the afl
The Gold Coast suns get 28 million a year from the afl
West coast eagles get 10 million from the afl

all nrl clubs receive the same grant they aren’t being kept alive by head office

if your idea of inroads in Auskick then sure the figures look good. But a recent survey showed afl ranked last in western Sydney in terms of junior numbers despite 200 million being spent

I love it when fans of regional teams argue against other regional teams.

 

[Perth Red]

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The lions get 26 million a year from the afl
The Gold Coast suns get 28 million a year from the afl
West coast eagles get 10 million from the afl

all nrl clubs receive the same grant they aren’t being kept alive by head office

if your idea of inroads in Auskick then sure the figures look good. But a recent survey showed afl ranked last in western Sydney in terms of junior numbers despite 200 million being spent

I love it when fans of regional teams argue against other regional teams.

As usual your figures are wrong. Last year Lions got $21.5mill, suns got $23.5mill and WC got $12.7mill.
Maybe if we had a variable grant scheme the clubs that continue to struggle would be better and we wouldnt have had clubs go bust? I mean its fair to say not all clubs are in equal situations so why would we expect them to all be able to generate equal revenue?

 

[Wb1234]

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As usual your figures are wrong. Last year Lions got $21.5mill, suns got $23.5mill and WC got $12.7mill.
Maybe if we had a variable grant scheme the clubs that continue to struggle would be better and we wouldnt have had clubs go bust? I mean its fair to say not all clubs are in equal situations so why would we expect them to all be able to generate equal revenue?

Once funding goes back to pre covid levels it’s 26 million for lions and 30 million suns

and the point is that afl clubs in Queensland are vulnerable which is what I replied too

the dolphins are obviously going to exacerbate this for the afl hence their Inclusion

obviously making afl spend so much money propping up weak clubs in Queensland is a lot more effective than putting Mickey Mouse teams in Perth and Adelaide which will be sinkholes

afl is vulnerable in Queensland

 

[MugaB]

My god does anyone talk about the bears or WA here, or just wanna dribble about AFLs influence on Qld for the past 5 pages, seriously not wanting to stop you guys from talking about this stuff but seriously wrong thread fmd, find a thread or start one that isn't about this shit