WA BEARS

[BuffaloRules]

No I don't believe the 200k nor what alot that PVL has said like that PNG and Perth will triple the NRL's revenues. I was being sarcastic when I mentioned the 200k.

I totally agree with your second paragraph. Expansion has been handled very poorly. It just appears that PVL and the rest of head office have gone with whoever was willing to give them the most money rather than the NRL strategically targeting where they want the next team or teams to be placed.

ok ..fair enough ..apologies for missing the sarcasm

 

[Gobsmacked]

again with the Bears ? Do you really believe that 200k thing ? seriously …F the Bears …what have they got to do with a team in NZ ?

I would have to say that over this whole expansion process, PVL in particular has got a lot of it wrong , and come across as pretty arrogant .. the whole bid process was essentially a waste of time ,… he needed to say from the beginning what the expectations were so people could understand the costs and not waste their time ..

The expansion process served its purpose. It showed the NRL All the areas it could expand, the challenges and rewards on offer. WA has more challenges than some posters on here will have you believe and the NRL rightly were seeking to offset those challenges, looks like the WA government aren't willing to fully offset those perceived challenges and looks set to loose out on expansion.
Thanks to the bidding process, the NRL have many other options. One of which doesn't appear to have nearly as many challenges in NZ 2( Christchurch)
It has:
First class facilities ( which Perth doesn't have)
A Rugby league friendly population ( which Perth doesn't have)
A ready to go rivalry ( which Perth doesn't have)
An alternative TV revenue stream ( which Perth doesn't have)

Thanks to the bidding process, the NRL has other options besides relying on WA government. And if it weren't for opening all these options, the WA government wouldn't be putting in a cent. It could still happen but because of all these options, the WA government will have to stump up the cash.

 

[Trifili13]

Nrl literally singled out nz for expansion

Then the Australian govt came in and blindsided them with a 600 million dollar png bid

Then the wa govt also did the same and caught the attention of the arl

Nobody has been misled bids just aren’t up to the standards the arl want or think that places aren’t valuable enough for a team

Cook hasnt been the easiest person to deal with since day one either

Haha.
So a strong leader like PVL has been blindsided when he had an expansion strategy out.

Were you personally involved in the negotiations to know that Cook hasn't been the easiest person to deal with or have your sources told you that? Maybe the NRL was just too money hungry and Cook was not willing to bend over that far.

 

[i0Nic]

Regardless what happens next this whole bears expansion saga has played out very poorly for the nrl and pvl’s image in the media.

I think Cook might have shown initial support for pathways and stadium upgrades and then after it got played out in the media that it was a ‘done deal’ and had a bad reception prior to election, he’s now backtracking on some of it. It was PVLs fault that it got played out like that right before the election, and it’s obviously pissed off cook, that was already clear from the statements he was making.

Then after the election PVL has tried to rush cook in making a deal with all the funding in place and he’s not having a bar of it.

To me it looks like the nrl had a good chance here of setting up a Perth franchise with some government support, maybe not to the tune of 300-500m, but PVL blew it.

 

[Trifili13]

The expansion process served its purpose. It showed the NRL All the areas it could expand, the challenges and rewards on offer. WA has more challenges than some posters on here will have you believe and the NRL rightly were seeking to offset those challenges, looks like the WA government aren't willing to fully offset those perceived challenges and looks set to loose out on expansion.
Thanks to the bidding process, the NRL have many other options. One of which doesn't appear to have nearly as many challenges in NZ 2( Christchurch)
It has:
First class facilities ( which Perth doesn't have)
A Rugby league friendly population ( which Perth doesn't have)
A ready to go rivalry ( which Perth doesn't have)
An alternative TV revenue stream ( which Perth doesn't have)

Thanks to the bidding process, the NRL has other options besides relying on WA government. And if it weren't for opening all these options, the WA government wouldn't be putting in a cent. It could still happen but because of all these options, the WA government will have to stump up the cash.

The expansion process when you call for bids should not be a fishing expedition.

 

[BuffaloRules]

The expansion process served its purpose. It showed the NRL All the areas it could expand, the challenges and rewards on offer. WA has more challenges than some posters on here will have you believe and the NRL rightly were seeking to offset those challenges, looks like the WA government aren't willing to fully offset those perceived challenges and looks set to loose out on expansion.
Thanks to the bidding process, the NRL have many other options. One of which doesn't appear to have nearly as many challenges in NZ 2( Christchurch)
It has:
First class facilities ( which Perth doesn't have)
A Rugby league friendly population ( which Perth doesn't have)
A ready to go rivalry ( which Perth doesn't have)
An alternative TV revenue stream ( which Perth doesn't have)

Thanks to the bidding process, the NRL has other options besides relying on WA government. And if it weren't for opening all these options, the WA government wouldn't be putting in a cent. It could still happen but because of all these options, the WA government will have to stump up the cash.

But people went to considerable effort and expense to bid ..you saying that happened just so the NRL could get an idea who was interested ? Were there any unexpected areas that put their hands up ? I think they could have come up with that same list before hand with considerably less money and effort …When PVL and Abdo were over in NZ for the test match last year, they didn’t even bother to meet with any of the bidding groups…I understand that left a sour taste behind…but perhaps gives you an insight how they viewed the bids ..

What is actually happening now 8 months later with any of the NZ bids ? Who is planning to put money in for the COE and junior development? We don’t really know because there is nothing happening right ? The only news out of NZ is that the Warriors say that NZ isn’t ready for a second team for another 10 years lol..

 

[Centy Coast]

The headlines should read:
AFL WINS, NRL sent back to East Coast with their tail firmly between their legs lol.

 

[Trifili13]

If Perth falls over, it will be interesting to see the fall out. Will both parties simply say they couldn't come to an agreement and have shook hands and walked away or will they try and blame each other to save face and score points with their supporters?

 

[mave]

What happened to Mr inside information?

Must have missed this memo.

 

[Gobsmacked]

If Perth falls over, it will be interesting to see the fall out. Will both parties simply say they couldn't come to an agreement and have shook hands and walked away or will they try and blame each other to save face and score points with their supporters?

The WA government is already blaming the NRL..

 

[Wb1234]

Literally double header is this week

Pvl will be there things will get sorted

Danny Weidler is a hack journo

Maybe wait till rbb posts an update before throwing the toys out of the pram

 

[RedVee]

It could be orchestrated to “prove” Cook’s electioneering claim that “the deal isn’t done”. Public breakup followed by a reconciliation at the double header?

nah, I don’t think so.
but the WA expansion has been soap opera so far…

 

[Wb1234]

It could be orchestrated to “prove” Cook’s electioneering claim that “the deal isn’t done”. Public breakup followed by a reconciliation at the double header?

nah, I don’t think so.
but the WA expansion has been soap opera so far…

You going to the game today ? My mate has freebies and is dragging me to my first game in two years lol still don’t wanna go to parra

 

[Gobsmacked]

But people went to considerable effort and expense to bid ..you saying that happened just so the NRL could get an idea who was interested ? Were there any unexpected areas that put their hands up ? I think they could have come up with that same list before hand with considerably less money and effort …When PVL and Abdo were over in NZ for the test match last year, they didn’t even bother to meet with any of the bidding groups…I understand that left a sour taste behind…but perhaps gives you an insight how they viewed the bids ..

What is actually happening now 8 months later with any of the NZ bids ? Who is planning to put money in for the COE and junior development? We don’t really know because there is nothing happening right ? The only news out of NZ is that the Warriors say that NZ isn’t ready for a second team for another 10 years lol..

People put in considerable effort to bid and assuming they're in business, they'd understand how risk/ rewards work and put in the equivalent to what they were willing to risk.
There was around a dozen bids, regardless of the process, obviously there were always going to be losers.

It's not a simple as just deciding on an area.
PNG is a third world country that on the surface had no chance at NRL but through this process we found 600 million dollars that assured the NRL that it won't be a money pit.
The WA bid weren't as convincing. What the NRL has weight up is over the coming years and decades into the future is that this bid will produce less than a desired bottom line for the game.. or that there's one's that will outpace it.
It would have been wonderful if the WA government had announced a brand new state of the art purpose built stadium and a financial incentive to the NRL to put a WA franchise beyond doubt but of course it's all PVL fault.

I'm absolutely over the moon to have a leader that puts himself in the firing line because he care more about what's best for the game .

 

[RedVee]

You going to the game today ? My mate has freebies and is dragging me to my first game in two years lol still don’t wanna go to parra

No, I can’t today but hopefully I’ll get to the TV for it. Foxtel box records every Saints game for me though.

 

[flippikat]

The expansion process served its purpose. It showed the NRL All the areas it could expand, the challenges and rewards on offer. WA has more challenges than some posters on here will have you believe and the NRL rightly were seeking to offset those challenges, looks like the WA government aren't willing to fully offset those perceived challenges and looks set to loose out on expansion.
Thanks to the bidding process, the NRL have many other options. One of which doesn't appear to have nearly as many challenges in NZ 2( Christchurch)
It has:
First class facilities ( which Perth doesn't have)
A Rugby league friendly population ( which Perth doesn't have)
A ready to go rivalry ( which Perth doesn't have)
An alternative TV revenue stream ( which Perth doesn't have)

Thanks to the bidding process, the NRL has other options besides relying on WA government. And if it weren't for opening all these options, the WA government wouldn't be putting in a cent. It could still happen but because of all these options, the WA government will have to stump up the cash.

If a "Christchurch Bears" or "South Island Bears" or even "The Bears" based in Christchurch is the result from this, then GEEEES. they have a challenge appealing to anyone outside that area.

Red & Black teams based in Christchurch are absolutely HATED by anyone outside the Canterbury province.

 

[baggygreen man]

Like anything output will depend on investment. If set up right and invested in accordingly then no reason WA wont be producing equal jnrs to first team as many of the NRL clubs within a decade or so. Lets see if NRL, as owners of the club, are willing to invest in decent WA elite pathways.

I WANT A WA team, first and foremost as then the NRL is seen by outsiders as a NATIONAL competition not only an East Coast one.

 

[baggygreen man]

Reading this morning that the bid is on life support as Cook is copping massive flack from tax payers and AFL as well I expect, for a reported $300m he is prepared to offer to get the deal done. I wanna know why isnt the NRL propping up this proposal by injecting funding from its healthy coffers toward the $300m.

 

[Gobsmacked]

If a "Christchurch Bears" or "South Island Bears" or even "The Bears" based in Christchurch is the result from this, then GEEEES. they have a challenge appealing to anyone outside that area.

Red & Black teams based in Christchurch are absolutely HATED by anyone outside the Canterbury province.

I think the Bears are done mate.
Christchurch will be the Orcas

 

[Gobsmacked]

Reading this morning that the bid is on life support as Cook is copping massive flack from tax payers and AFL as well I expect, for a reported $300m he is prepared to offer to get the deal done. I wanna know why isnt the NRL propping up this proposal by injecting funding from its healthy coffers toward the $300m.

Those healthy coffers.. are nothing compared with the coffers of the WA government!