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Perth Red

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you have made some assumptions here …which no doubt will morph into “facts” over the passage of time if the bid formally falls over ….

yes they did reject the Cumins bid…. Six months ago…. Why couldn’t another deal get done ? Did NRL make other proposals in that time that Cook rejected ? Probably right … why aren’t they just as valid as the Cumins offer the NRL rejected ?
Its hard to know for sure, and we may never find out the truth of it,
it is alleged that they turned down the WB bid as they thought they could get the WA govt to pay a lot more (license fee ++). WA govt stuck to its guns and flatly turned down what NRL wanted (October) and then they had the Nov face to face meeting where the revised WB was submitted by the WA govt along with what the WA Govt support would be (alleged $300mill ish). The NRL turned down the WB bid again, and that is where it gets murky. Why the deal wasnt done before Xmas with the WA govt I dont know. After Xmas the election kicked in. Under media pressure the WA govt have allegedly scaled down the offer to what we see now.

Now how much of that is true and how much scuttlebutt I really cant say. Ive had numerous sources telling me stuff, some has been very accurate, some has been way off. Like I said we will probably never know.

Right now the NRL has a decision to make:
1. Accept the WA govt offer and get on with it.
2. Keep negotiations going and try and get more of whatever it is they are looking for
3. Park the negotiations for a year or two whilst they sort out tv deal and come back to it with WA govt
4. Turn down the offer, move on and give up on a Perth club
 

SirPies&Beers

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Bears are safe despite $65 million funding fight threatening to end NRL’s expansion into Western Australia

The NRL is preparing for urgent talks to resolve a $65 million funding spat that threatens to kill off an NRL team in Perth - but it won’t affect the Bears’ bid to return to the top flight.

Peter Badel, Brent Read and Michael Carayannis

Peter V’landys insists the Bears are not dead yet as the ARL Commission boss prepares for urgent talks to resolve a $65 million funding spat that threatens to kill off an NRL team in Perth.

V’landys is adamant the ARLC has not shut the door on the birth of the Western Bears amid mounting speculation the NRL’s plans for an 18th team in Perth for 2027 are doomed.

V’landys’ stance came as West Australian premier Roger Cook lashed the NRL, accusing the governing body of lacking respect for the state as relations between the parties, once seemingly cordial, turned toxic.

The ARLC will make a definitive call within a fortnight but unless the NRL and Cook can smoke the peace pipe at the eleventh hour, the much-hyped Western Bears bid will officially collapse.

Sources close to negotiations say the parties hit a roadblock over two key agenda items - the proposed $120 million ‘entry fee’ and a $200m-plus redevelopment of HBF Park.

Should the ARLC walk away from expansion across the Nullarbor, it would have near fatal consequences for North Sydney, the foundation brand looking to return to the big league after 25 years in the NRL wilderness.

V’landys stressed the ARLC remains in talks with the mooted state-backed WA team and says he is determined to resurrect the North Sydney Bears as an NRL force, whether it’s with Perth or another region.

“The Commission has yet to make a decision,” V’landys said.

“We haven’t called a meeting yet to discuss it but we are likely to do so in the next week or two.”

Asked if the feared collapse of a Perth bid would put the Bears into NRL hibernation for good, V’landys vowed to do everything possible to return North Sydney to the top flight.

The ARL Commission is exploring a second NRL team in New Zealand and a fifth franchise in Queensland. Both of those regions could be asked to strike a joint-venture deal with the Bears if the Telstra Premiership expands to 20 teams by the 2032 Brisbane Olympics.

But V’landys’ primary and immediate mission is salvaging the Western Bears amid explosive claims rival code the AFL has moved to politically sabotage rugby league’s incursion into Perth.

“The Bears will be front and centre for any future expansion bid,” V’landys said.

“If it’s not Western Australia, it will be somewhere else.

“Whoever we go with, we want to have the Bears involved ... if we go with anyone.”

The reality is if the NRL chooses not to expand beyond the introduction of Papua New Guinea in 2028, there is no legitimate avenue for a Bears revival.

The fate of the Western Bears hinges on Cook and resolving a fiscal fallout involving WA government bean counters.

The NRL was seeking $120 million from the WA government over 10 years, not as a touted licence fee, but a financial investment that would be diverted into rugby league’s grassroots growth in the state.

That figure was not palatable to WA chiefs, who have offered $35 million over five years, plus a further $20m to the construction of a Centre of Excellence, which was a key NRL condition.

That’s effectively a $65m shortfall.

The final nail in the coffin is negotiations over a major upgrade to HBF Park.

The NRL wanted the ground to represent Perth’s version of Sydney’s state-of-the-art CommBank Stadium, the home of the Parramatta Eels, but the facelift cannot take place until after the women’s Asian Cup in 2026 and men’s rugby World Cup in 2027.

“The NRL have to get serious and have to treat us with more respect and not like a cash cow,” Cook told Perth media.

There were suggestions the NRL could delay Perth’s entry by 12 months, aligning them with PNG for 2028, but sources indicate it’s either 2027 or bust for the Western Bears dream.

“It’s in the balance,” a high-powered expansion source said. “Either the bid’s up to scratch or it’s not.

“If this falls over, where do the Bears go?”

Former Western Reds chairman Peter Cumins, who had a fresh WA bid rejected by the ARLC late last year, said the prospect of the NRL not returning to Perth would be a crushing outcome for rugby league.

“I am gutted,” Cumins said.

“It’s how I felt when our bid was rejected.

“To hear this (Western Bears bid) could be all over, red rover, I’m gutted all over again.

“This is bad for the NRL in general. We truly need a national competition and the Western Bears would have been a step in the right direction.

“From a player’s perspective, it’s a great city to come and play, it would be more appealing to come to WA than PNG to be honest.”

Asked if he believes the AFL has sabotaged the NRL in Perth, Cumins said: “No, I don’t think so.

“The local press have never been great supporters of rugby league, they are very pro-AFL, but when the Western Reds were around, we co-existed comfortably and we got press in the Perth media.

“I would be surprised if the AFL were involved in derailing the bid.

“The NRL simply has to make this happen.”

 

T to the T

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Lock in Christchurch bears guys
No, I read this differently. PVL has let the WA Government come out tough over the past couple of days to play to the gallery back in Perth. PVL hasn't been antagonistic in his response but more conciliatory. The figures mentioned by The West newspaper pre-election are dramatically reduced, this could be sold as a win by WA Labor in driving the costs down (when in reality we know the stadium costs were bundled into that $500m or so figure). $55m is the floor, $120m the ceiling. This isn't over yet. Is PVL and Abdo definitely in Perth for the double header/'urgent talks'?
 

Wb1234

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Nah - reading that article just posted now. They’ll make it work in Perth.
Wa govt seems to be panicking a bit now which is good

But the gap is large

This is obviously a last warning for cook

I’m sure the arl will accept some middle ground

Between 70 million and 370 million
 

Gobsmacked

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If I can be arsed to go I'll keep my eye out for them and send a pic lol
I very much doubt they will be here. He will cop some serious flak from the crowd if he fronts up on the back of the news they are canning it.
There's only a very small select few that can't see this is the fault of WA government.

Imagine being in the crowd and booing the bloke that could give you the licence...
Like.. seriously? Are you that stupid?
You want a team and want to give PVD flak?

OK mate.
 

Tigers1986

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Seems the rumours are it's falling voer due to the WA government not wanting to chip in to develop a stadium. Well then they don't deserve a team then.

Hull Red in bed with Cummins still crying over that crook being denied months ago. Bet he's crying in the park outside Optus stadium throwing his toys out the cot as the car track is being prepared
 

Wb1234

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Extend the 7 million for ten years

Agree behind closed doors to do the stadium after the union World Cup

Stadium upgrades aren’t possible till then anyway since


“The NRL wanted the ground to represent Perth’s version of Sydney’s state-of-the-art CommBank Stadium, the home of the Parramatta Eels, but the facelift cannot take place until after the women’s Asian Cup in 2026 and men’s rugby World Cup in 2027.”
 

ThornlieBear

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So let the negotiations start.

We may end up around the $90 million mark for grassroots and COE. WA Government announces they got everything they wanted to less than $100 million instead of the reported $500 million pre-election.

Forget the stadium. It’s good for most games and any “event” that it might not be big enough for can be moved to Perth Stadium for the first 5-10 years.

Then announce a Perth Oval upgrade for all sports that use it.
 

Nuke

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I'm very much on the fence. Personally, I feel both sides are roughly equally to blame for the situation that the WA Bears appear to be in right this very moment.

However...

I tend to believe that it's all going to work out and the WA Bears will be given the go ahead sooner rather than later. In a few weeks? In a few months? I don't know. But I feel it'll happen in that timeframe (not the '12 months' time' or 'a few years' mooted by some).

My reason: Any time there's been a verbal slanging match involving PVL, he's always come out straight away with a reply. He's not one to sit back and cop crap being thrown at him. He has to have the last word. The past week or so, WA government (Cook or the other one ... Saffioti?) have been talking smack about the NRL ... and he's said absolutely nothing back.

My take on it is that Cook had said to him that there is a financial deal in place, but in order to pay it AND appease the general WA public (who, generally like sport and are aussie rules supporters ... and never underestimate how much WA views the eastern states as vehemently 'us vs them'), then he will talk hard in the lead-up. Getting an NRL team here pleases the sporting public that don't take to aussie rules, and talking smack about the NRL pleases the aussie rules types. Kinda win:win for Cook and co.

And, I feel PVL is going along with it. Possibly biting his tongue and probably taking notes for later, but going along with it none-the-less.

That's my take on it all.
Possibly the view of an overly optimistic, passionate League fan who was 14yrs old here in the boom of the Western Reds entry year and knows how glorious that time was.

Or I could be totally wrong and it's been a balls-up and our bubble is burst big time once again.

Let's see what happens..!
 

T to the T

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I'm very much on the fence. Personally, I feel both sides are roughly equally to blame for the situation that the WA Bears appear to be in right this very moment.

However...

I tend to believe that it's all going to work out and the WA Bears will be given the go ahead sooner rather than later. In a few weeks? In a few months? I don't know. But I feel it'll happen in that timeframe (not the '12 months' time' or 'a few years' mooted by some).

My reason: Any time there's been a verbal slanging match involving PVL, he's always come out straight away with a reply. He's not one to sit back and cop crap being thrown at him. He has to have the last word. The past week or so, WA government (Cook or the other one ... Saffioti?) have been talking smack about the NRL ... and he's said absolutely nothing back.

My take on it is that Cook had said to him that there is a financial deal in place, but in order to pay it AND appease the general WA public (who, generally like sport and are aussie rules supporters ... and never underestimate how much WA views the eastern states as vehemently 'us vs them'), then he will talk hard in the lead-up. Getting an NRL team here pleases the sporting public that don't take to aussie rules, and talking smack about the NRL pleases the aussie rules types. Kinda win:win for Cook and co.

And, I feel PVL is going along with it. Possibly biting his tongue and probably taking notes for later, but going along with it none-the-less.

That's my take on it all.
Possibly the view of an overly optimistic, passionate League fan who was 14yrs old here in the boom of the Western Reds entry year and knows how glorious that time was.

Or I could be totally wrong and it's been a balls-up and our bubble is burst big time once again.

Let's see what happens..!
I'm hoping this is the case, as you say PVL has to have the last word so his media briefing is telling.

Yes.
Plus a couple of the commissioners.
Thanks RBB (unable to like posts).

If there was nothing to negotiate then the big guns would be left in Sydney. Are timelines of announcement this weekend possible?
 

Red&BlackBear

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I'm hoping this is the case, as you say PVL has to have the last word so his media briefing is telling.


Thanks RBB (unable to like posts).

If there was nothing to negotiate then the big guns would be left in Sydney. Are timelines of announcement this weekend possible?
Probably a week. I suspect they’ll all be friendly and buddy-buddy this weekend but it’s how they are next week that’ll determine it.

@Nuke is probably close to the mark in his assessment. Hard to tell. Even the numbers WA Gov did put out as offered don’t look right. The junior and pathways infrastructure from what I’m lead to understand was pretty close to what NRL were asking. The truth right now is being kept close to their chests.

Between reports of NRL’s SL investment % buy out and NRL pushing for Storm to play at MCG - a few things are conveniently being released to possibly throw the scent off.
 
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Canard

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Probably a week. I suspect they’ll all be friendly and buddy-buddy this weekend but it’s how they are next week that’ll determine it.

@Nuke is probably close to the mark in his assessment. Hard to tell. Even the numbers WA Gov did put out as offered don’t look right. The junior and pathways infrastructure from what I’m lead to understand was pretty close to what NRL were asking. The truth right now is being kept close to their chests.

Between reports of NRL’s SL investment % buy out and NRL pushing for Storm to play at MCG - a few things are conveniently being released to possibly throw the scent off.
What?? Why would the Storm play at the G?
 
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