WA- did we miss the boat ?

[Perth Red]

There are many reasons why young players decide to move to other clubs. $'s, prestige, lifestyle choices, opportunity to become better under a proven coaching system, better culture etc etc. The idea that a club gets a kid at 8 and brings them through to first grade is an outdated one and is actually quite unique to NRL thinking. Most sports comps in the world have little to do with jnr development and just pick up the best kids at a certain age to either go straight into system or to develop from 15/16. If it wasn't for LC's I suspect RL in Australia would be the same. The growth and spending power of LC's has meant that they own both Jnr RL in their area and a senior NRL club. That is very unusual.


Comes back to the Storm. Its not their job to get 10k kids playing RL (though they can obviously be a lever for profile and start power) in Victoria, thats the job of the NRL. Its the Storms job to find the best 15 year old kids out of that 10k and turn them into first graders. For any NRL club without a LC it is the same.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

We're told it's a must to have the Storm, Perth and Adelaide because it will bring all these new fans to the game.

Ratings for the Storm in Melbourne are poor and hardly anyone down there plays the game.

It's a furphy and contradictory to say we need teams in fumbleball states to grow the game, then say it's not their job to get people to play it.

If it's not the Storm's job to convert children to RL then what's the point of adding teams to fumbleball states?

When Brett Kimmorley left the Storm for the Northern Eagles they spent a couple of seasons out of the eight. Crowds dropped below 10,000. Bellamy rocked up in 03 with Smith and co and ever since they've never lost a player they wanted to keep, and have always gotten every junior they've wanted. I think the NRL and News Ltd realised they needed to give Melbourne a leg up on the player market for them to have any chance of surviving in the birthplace of fumbleball.

 

[Perth Red]

Sigh, here we go again. It’s called growth. And guess what growth isnt instant! It takes time and you have to nurture it. A top tier club brings profile, public awareness, something to aspire to etc etc.
Storm are one of the best attended clubs, Have one of the biggest memberships and one of the most watched on tv. All from a point of zero in 20 odd years. If you can’t see that is growth for rugby league then there is no helping you. They’ve gone from less than 1000 amateurs and getting whipped by WA every year to triple that number and now beating WA. Seems some people are unable to see what’s right in front of their face! Ironically the two clubs that have brought the most growth to the nrl are the broncos and storm, two clubs you dislike the most lol.

Having said that if the nrl wanted to throw $13million a year at grassroots RL in WA instead I would be more than happy!

 

[mongoose]

Sigh, here we go again. It’s called growth. And guess what growth isnt instant! It takes time and you have to nurture it. A top tier club brings profile, public awareness, something to aspire to etc etc.
Storm are one of the best attended clubs, Have one of the biggest memberships and one of the most watched on tv. All from a point of zero in 20 odd years. If you can’t see that is growth for rugby league then there is no helping you. They’ve gone from less than 1000 amateurs and getting whipped by WA every year to triple that number and now beating WA. Seems some people are unable to see what’s right in front of their face! Ironically the two clubs that have brought the most growth to the nrl are the broncos and storm, two clubs you dislike the most lol.

Having said that if the nrl wanted to throw $13million a year at grassroots RL in WA instead I would be more than happy!

i think he's a Union troll. He wants the Broncos, Storm, Raiders gone and no team in perth. He even attacked the Roosters the other day. What do all those teams have in common? f**king super rugby teams.

 

[Generalzod]

We're told it's a must to have the Storm, Perth and Adelaide because it will bring all these new fans to the game.

Ratings for the Storm in Melbourne are poor and hardly anyone down there plays the game.

It's a furphy and contradictory to say we need teams in fumbleball states to grow the game, then say it's not their job to get people to play it.

If it's not the Storm's job to convert children to RL then what's the point of adding teams to fumbleball states?

When Brett Kimmorley left the Storm for the Northern Eagles they spent a couple of seasons out of the eight. Crowds dropped below 10,000. Bellamy rocked up in 03 with Smith and co and ever since they've never lost a player they wanted to keep, and have always gotten every junior they've wanted. I think the NRL and News Ltd realised they needed to give Melbourne a leg up on the player market for them to have any chance of surviving in the birthplace of fumbleball.

Please stop making sense,
Yet with so many Grand final wins you would think they would have made real in roads in Victoria..

 

[greenBV4]

Yet with so many Grand final wins you would think they would have made real in roads in Victoria..

With what money? NRL Vic is ran off sticks and the coins found in the sides of the lounge

Theres no Leagues Clubs to fund grassroots and the NRL puts sweet FA in - nothing to do with the Storm

Make the facilities and junior teams more accessible and inviting, run school clinics, consolidate the touch footy program and bring it more inline with league, and you would see faster growth, or dont and let it continue as the slow crawl uphill (but still uphill none the less)

 

[Generalzod]

With what money? NRL Vic is ran off sticks and the coins found in the sides of the lounge

Theres no Leagues Clubs to fund grassroots and the NRL puts sweet FA in - nothing to do with the Storm

Make the facilities and junior teams more accessible and inviting, run school clinics, consolidate the touch footy program and bring it more inline with league, and you would see faster growth, or dont and let it continue as the slow crawl uphill (but still uphill none the less)

To be fair green You don’t win so many grand finals without money...

 

[greenBV4]

To be fair green You don’t win so many grand finals without money...

So the football club should put money into grassroots? There's no club in the NRL that does so why should the Storm?

Leagues Clubs and Football Clubs are separate entities, take away the leagues clubs from all the "big development" clubs and watch their investment into juniors disappear

 

[Perth Red]

With what money? NRL Vic is ran off sticks and the coins found in the sides of the lounge

Theres no Leagues Clubs to fund grassroots and the NRL puts sweet FA in - nothing to do with the Storm

Make the facilities and junior teams more accessible and inviting, run school clinics, consolidate the touch footy program and bring it more inline with league, and you would see faster growth, or dont and let it continue as the slow crawl uphill (but still uphill none the less)

One, of many!, missed opportunities was the NRl not setting up in a similar way that the AFL did in WA. In WA the two AFL licenses are owned by the WAFC. The two AFL clubs have to pay an annual license fee to the WAFC for use of the licenses. This money (around $10mill a year) is then used to grow grassroots AFL in the State. Imagine if NRL had set up same way and NRLVic was receiving funding from Storm every year, likewise QRL and NSWRL etc. Instead we have the NRL having to chop up the pie with all the competing food bowls and grassroots getting a pittance. AFL has (or at least had) over 100 employees in NSW. NRL has around 20 in Vic and 12 in WA. If you want to see why RL isnt growing like it should you dont have to look too hard!

AFL spend significantly more on grassroots in NSW alone than NRL spends in every expansion State combined! But then you can afford to do that when you have a national competition and your revenue is 55% higher I suppose?

 

[Perth Red]

To be fair green You don’t win so many grand finals without money...

The Storms job is to win titles. The ARLC's job is to get as many people playing RL as possible across Australia. At least one of them is doing a good job!

 

[Generalzod]

The Storms job is to win titles. The ARLC's job is to get as many people playing RL as possible across Australia. At least one of them is doing a good job!

Yep flot of good it’s done for Victoria nobody cares.., why don’t you think that Perth hasn’t got a Rugby League team yet is it because like Victoria no one in Westerm Australia cares about Rugby League, Vlandys is right concentrate where the game is strong...

 

[Perth Red]

Yep flot of good it’s done for Victoria nobody cares.., why don’t you think that Perth hasn’t got a Rugby League team yet is it because like Victoria no one in Westerm Australia cares about Rugby League, Vlandys is right concentrate where the game is strong...

Level of support

Storm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharks.

2019 Att 18,230 v 12,224
2020 memberships 22,221 v 9,768
Storm #2 most watched club in FTA and PTV

Hmmm is the real problem for the game the growing and popular expansion club, or the stale and failing heartland club? I mean cronullas 2019 avg attendance was literally the same as 25 years ago. Where's the growth?

Perth hasnt got a team because RL is myopic and lacks business courage, always has probably always will.

 

[Generalzod]

Level of support

Storm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sharks.

2019 Att 18,230 v 12,224
2020 memberships 22,221 v 9,768
Storm #2 most watched club in FTA and PTV

Hmmm is the real problem for the game the growing and popular expansion club, or the stale and failing heartland club? I mean cronullas 2019 avg attendance was literally the same as 25 years ago. Where's the growth?

Perth hasnt got a team because RL is myopic and lacks business courage, always has probably always will.

So I guess it’s got nothing to do with the teams the Storm play...that get good ratings.
You making it out that the Sharks don’t have any supporters, Just look at that Grand Final most of those supporters in that Stadium where Sharks supporters..

 

[greenBV4]

So I guess it’s got nothing to do with the teams the Storm play...that get good ratings.

On PTV? Last time I checked all the clubs were in the same comp and play the same teams

And nice one dodging the attendance and memberships.. you know a main source of income for the actual club?

 

[Perth Red]

So I guess it’s got nothing to do with the teams the Storm play...that get good ratings.
You making it out that the Sharks don’t have any supporters, Just look at that Grand Final most of those supporters in that Stadium where Sharks supporters..

Someone that turns up once every 50 years isnt a supporter! Besides what are we talking about, maybe 40-50k latent supporters or friends of friends, that come out the woodwork for a GF? That isnt helping the Sharks cause. Play the GF with Storm in it in Melbounre and Im sure youd get a heck of a lot more than 18k fill the stadium with purple, such is the big event band wagon effect. Be like saying Perth will sell out HBF every game if in as we sold 60k for origin and 39k for a season opener. The two are not related.

re TV, If it was one off games against certain teams yes maybe, but then everyone would be same or close. Storm are #2 and way ahead of many clubs in tv audiences suggesting that's not the reason.

Maybe you could answer this one for us?

"cronullas 2019 avg attendance was literally the same as 25 years ago. Where's the growth?"

 

[adamkungl]

Someone that turns up once every 50 years isnt a supporter! Besides what are we talking about, maybe 40-50k latent supporters or friends of friends, that come out the woodwork for a GF? That isnt helping the Sharks cause. Play the GF with Storm in it in Melbounre and Im sure youd get a heck of a lot more than 18k fill the stadium with purple, such is the big event band wagon effect. Be like saying Perth will sell out HBF every game if in as we sold 60k for origin and 39k for a season opener. The two are not related.

re TV, If it was one off games against certain teams yes maybe, but then everyone would be same or close. Storm are #2 and way ahead of many clubs in tv audiences suggesting that's not the reason.

Maybe you could answer this one for us?

"cronullas 2019 avg attendance was literally the same as 25 years ago. Where's the growth?"

You can't argue with someone who genuinely thinks that a club that outdraws them in every metric and has won more comps in the last decade than they've won in 5, is somehow less successful.

 

[Generalzod]

Someone that turns up once every 50 years isnt a supporter! Besides what are we talking about, maybe 40-50k latent supporters or friends of friends, that come out the woodwork for a GF? That isnt helping the Sharks cause. Play the GF with Storm in it in Melbounre and Im sure youd get a heck of a lot more than 18k fill the stadium with purple, such is the big event band wagon effect. Be like saying Perth will sell out HBF every game if in as we sold 60k for origin and 39k for a season opener. The two are not related.

re TV, If it was one off games against certain teams yes maybe, but then everyone would be same or close. Storm are #2 and way ahead of many clubs in tv audiences suggesting that's not the reason.

Maybe you could answer this one for us?

"cronullas 2019 avg attendance was literally the same as 25 years ago. Where's the growth?"

Yet Cronulla share with other teams within the Sydney basin, Melbourne is the only team in Victoria.......

 

[Perth Red]

Yet Cronulla share with other teams within the Sydney basin, Melbourne is the only team in Victoria.......

So we cant expect to see any growth in any Sydney team due to over saturation? I guess Sydney population cant have grown in last 25 years then?
Oh hang on a a number of Sydney teams in last 25 years have grown their attendances and memberships. Hmmmm
Storm are growing and have been for some time, Sharks and some others are not. Yet you feel expansion doesn't lead to growth? Hmmmmm

I mean looking at your clubs figures, stagnation and your comments about Victoria one can only assume that the Cronulla region has very little interest in Rugby League or in having an NRL team?

 

[Generalzod]

So we cant expect to see any growth in any Sydney team due to over saturation? I guess Sydney population cant have grown in last 25 years then?
Oh hang on a a number of Sydney teams in last 25 years have grown their attendances and memberships. Hmmmm
Storm are growing and have been for some time, Sharks and some others are not. Yet you feel expansion doesn't lead to growth? Hmmmmm

I mean looking at your clubs figures, stagnation and your comments about Victoria one can only assume that the Cronulla region has very little interest in Rugby League or in having an NRL team?

So you don’t like it when I bag your team but it’s seems it’s okay for you to do so.

 

[adamkungl]

Yet Cronulla share with other teams within the Sydney basin, Melbourne is the only team in Victoria.......

Maybe there's something to this model of having a small number of teams in big cities