WA- did we miss the boat ?

[greenBV4]

Mate blame your inept premier..

Don't worry many are

 

[MugaB]

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Not sure if memberships are a real metric for actual supporters, im not a member of any club, but i still watch them and are a fan.
Plus isn't the SCG trust members added to that "15k" for the rorters, surely you'd be lucky to see a half of that turn up to the games last year

 

[greenBV4]

Not sure if memberships are a real metric for actual supporters, im not a member of any club, but i still watch them and are a fan.
Plus isn't the SCG trust members added to that "15k" for the rorters, surely you'd be lucky to see a half of that turn up to the games last year

memberships and game attendace are the best metric we have to measure the "paying" supporter base of each club

end of the day ratings are an "estimate" and can't decipher between home/away/neutral supporters

merch sales aren't accurately/evenly tracked

online polls and surveys rarely use large enough test audiences

what would you suggest is the real metric if not any of those?

 

[MugaB]

memberships and game attendace are the best metric we have to measure the "paying" supporter base of each club

end of the day ratings are an "estimate" and can't decipher between home/away/neutral supporters

merch sales aren't accurately/evenly tracked

online polls and surveys rarely use large enough test audiences

what would you suggest is the real metric if not any of those?

Ok, but in terms of proving an actual fan base count for this pissing contest, there is no real metric, close as possible, and "paying customer", doesn't give any actual numbers other than coin counting, i like that memberships are used, but some clubs inflate this number, souths did it with adding juniors, easts with SCG trust members etc, its not reliable, and there are plenty of fans who go to games that aren't members, (like myself) or are happy to watch from interstate (PR) and unless there is a proper census questionnaire, i don't think we can ever see the actual supporters numbers

 

[greenBV4]

Ok, but in terms of proving an actual fan base count for this pissing contest, there is no real metric, close as possible, and "paying customer", doesn't give any actual numbers other than coin counting, i like that memberships are used, but some clubs inflate this number, souths did it with adding juniors, easts with SCG trust members etc, its not reliable, and there are plenty of fans who go to games that aren't members, (like myself) or are happy to watch from interstate (PR) and unless there is a proper census questionnaire, i don't think we can ever see the actual supporters numbers

lobby your local member to have it included in the next national census everyone

 

[greenBV4]

Ok, but in terms of proving an actual fan base count for this pissing contest, there is no real metric, close as possible, and "paying customer", doesn't give any actual numbers other than coin counting, i like that memberships are used, but some clubs inflate this number, souths did it with adding juniors, easts with SCG trust members etc, its not reliable, and there are plenty of fans who go to games that aren't members, (like myself) or are happy to watch from interstate (PR) and unless there is a proper census questionnaire, i don't think we can ever see the actual supporters numbers

exactly, theres no real answer, but the best we can do is look at the metrics we do have available and and make an assuption from that - and in most cases the rankings remain mostly the same order for each so its likely accurate enough

The closest thing we probably have to a "census" is that annual roy morgan report, but most on here bashed it for being inaccurate because they didnt like the results. I believe the numbers in that report are inflated, but the rankings are probably pretty spot on

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Sigh, here we go again. It’s called growth. And guess what growth isnt instant! It takes time and you have to nurture it. A top tier club brings profile, public awareness, something to aspire to etc etc.
Storm are one of the best attended clubs, Have one of the biggest memberships and one of the most watched on tv. All from a point of zero in 20 odd years. If you can’t see that is growth for rugby league then there is no helping you. They’ve gone from less than 1000 amateurs and getting whipped by WA every year to triple that number and now beating WA. Seems some people are unable to see what’s right in front of their face! Ironically the two clubs that have brought the most growth to the nrl are the broncos and storm, two clubs you dislike the most lol.

Having said that if the nrl wanted to throw $13million a year at grassroots RL in WA instead I would be more than happy!

Doesn't WA have more registered players than Victoria, despite not having a team in the national competition since 1997?

The_Wookie said ratings in Melbourne for RL are 17,000 when Storm play on 9GEM and 11,000 when they're not playing. So it's a furphy to say they're well watched without pointing out that next to no one watches them in their home state, and rely on support from actual RL fans in Queensland and New South Wales to remain relevant.

What do you think will happen to Melbourne's support in Brisbane and Sydney when they're no longer in the top 4 every year?

I'll tell you what will happen. Just like the Raiders, who had a large viewing audience in Queensland and NSW in the 80s and 90s with their star-studded team, the Storm will go from being the 2nd most watched team in RL heartland to one of the least viewed.

It's not as if Victoria had zero RL before 1998. Rugby league has been played in Victoria for about 60 years.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So the football club should put money into grassroots? There's no club in the NRL that does so why should the Storm?

Leagues Clubs and Football Clubs are separate entities, take away the leagues clubs from all the "big development" clubs and watch their investment into juniors disappear

News Ltd and the ARLC sunk over $100 million into the Storm between 1998-2018 to give them a massive leg up over the other clubs. Without that money they wouldn't have been successful on the field.

It's a form of fraud as they took money from RL fans who subscribed to Foxtel and News Ltd Newspapers, then funneled it back into their club so that it would have better resources than everyone else.

When is News Ltd and the ARLC going to give MY club, the Cowboys, more than $100 million over a 20 year period so we can pummel everyone else every year?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

One, of many!, missed opportunities was the NRl not setting up in a similar way that the AFL did in WA. In WA the two AFL licenses are owned by the WAFC. The two AFL clubs have to pay an annual license fee to the WAFC for use of the licenses. This money (around $10mill a year) is then used to grow grassroots AFL in the State. Imagine if NRL had set up same way and NRLVic was receiving funding from Storm every year, likewise QRL and NSWRL etc. Instead we have the NRL having to chop up the pie with all the competing food bowls and grassroots getting a pittance. AFL has (or at least had) over 100 employees in NSW. NRL has around 20 in Vic and 12 in WA. If you want to see why RL isnt growing like it should you dont have to look too hard!

AFL spend significantly more on grassroots in NSW alone than NRL spends in every expansion State combined! But then you can afford to do that when you have a national competition and your revenue is 55% higher I suppose?

You really love your fumbleball, don't you?

i think he's a Union troll. He wants the Broncos, Storm, Raiders gone and no team in perth. He even attacked the Roosters the other day. What do all those teams have in common? f**king super rugby teams.

Didn't you call me an AFL troll a few months ago?

Which is it? Fumbleball or onionball?

The reason I play devil's advocate with Canberra is because there's two Raiders fans on here trying to limit Brisbane to having just 2 teams and calling for rationalisation in Sydney. Some times I play the game and talk about which Sydney clubs could benefit from relocating. Melbourne Storm piss me off because they're the very definition of a parasite. Every negative tactic that has been introduced into the game was spearheaded by the Storm. A player has been paralysed and at least 2 have been forced to retire because of this vile club. I'm yet to see any evidence that they will have 20,000 members and attendances of 18,000 when they go through a few shit years like the Titans have since 2010. When they did miss the top 8 in the early 2000s their attendances dropped below 10,000.

 

[MugaB]

exactly, theres no real answer, but the best we can do is look at the metrics we do have available and and make an assuption from that - and in most cases the rankings remain mostly the same order for each so its likely accurate enough

The closest thing we probably have to a "census" is that annual roy morgan report, but most on here bashed it for being inaccurate because they didnt like the results. I believe the numbers in that report are inflated, but the rankings are probably pretty spot on

ASSumptions, for cronulla verses rooster fan counts, theres no way we can give G zod flack, when there is no metric, it's funny the bias that goes on

 

[T-Boon]

The ARLC should hire the Storm coaching and conditioning department and have them run an academy. Give them the 100 best juniors and turn them into superstars, then have a draft at the end of the year so all 16 clubs can select them, with 16th getting 1st pick, 15th 3nd pick and so on.

This GROTDs could be my alt. Another good idea.

Maybe a coaches academy is more what he needs to run though.

 

[greenBV4]

This GROTDs could be my alt. Another good idea.

Maybe a coaches academy is more what he needs to run though.

Im pretty sure he was being sarcastic because he has said he doesn't believe in what people say about the storm system and staff

but yeah the NRL could benefit from a national academy and some form of draft, let the clubs focus on being successfull clubs and leave grassroots and early development to the NRL

This goes against the assumption some people have that every local player has to play for their local club though

 

[adamkungl]

Not sure if memberships are a real metric for actual supporters, im not a member of any club, but i still watch them and are a fan.

Maybe you should be a member?
Next time Roosters crowds are criticised (about 23 hours from now) I'll suggest that maybe paying fans isn't the best metric to measure actual support

Plus isn't the SCG trust members added to that "15k" for the rorters, surely you'd be lucky to see a half of that turn up to the games last year

Incorrect

 

[adamkungl]

ASSumptions, for cronulla verses rooster fan counts, theres no way we can give G zod flack, when there is no metric, it's funny the bias that goes on

lol mate, Roosters trounce Cronulla on every possible metric that could measure anything

edit: except the all-important local juniors of course

 

[adamkungl]

News Ltd and the ARLC sunk over $100 million into the Storm between 1998-2018 to give them a massive leg up over the other clubs. Without that money they wouldn't have been successful on the field.

It's a form of fraud as they took money from RL fans who subscribed to Foxtel and News Ltd Newspapers, then funneled it back into their club so that it would have better resources than everyone else.

When is News Ltd and the ARLC going to give MY club, the Cowboys, more than $100 million over a 20 year period so we can pummel everyone else every year?

News Ltd did own the Cowboys for about 7 years and prevented them from folding because they were a basketcase! In which time they signed Jonathon Thurston. Who went on to feature in 2 Grand Finals, winning 1. If you recall.

 

[Generalzod]

lol mate, Roosters trounce Cronulla on every possible metric that could measure anything

edit: except the all-important local juniors of course

You know do you think the Roosters would have been a round if it weren’t for the generosity of Uncle Nick?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

News Ltd did own the Cowboys for about 7 years and prevented them from folding because they were a basketcase! In which time they signed Jonathon Thurston. Who went on to feature in 2 Grand Finals, winning 1. If you recall.

News Ltd didn't provide us with an extra $5m to $10m a year on top of what every other club got.

Graham Murray is the man responsible for turning us into a genuine premiership contender.

 

[adamkungl]

You know do you think the Roosters would have been a round if it weren’t for the generosity of Uncle Nick?

Maybe, maybe not. Who's to say. If certain other clubs can survive with any intelligence or business sense, it's not a particularly high bar though.

 

[adamkungl]

News Ltd didn't provide us with an extra $5m to $10m a year on top of what every other club got.

Graham Murray is the man responsible for turning us into a genuine premiership contender.

Graham Murray would have been employed by some Sydney club if News didn't save the Cowboys.

Most clubs in the comp have either a pokie palace pouring money into the joint, or a rich owner topping it up. Not sure how News is any different

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Im pretty sure he was being sarcastic because he has said he doesn't believe in what people say about the storm system and staff

but yeah the NRL could benefit from a national academy and some form of draft, let the clubs focus on being successfull clubs and leave grassroots and early development to the NRL

This goes against the assumption some people have that every local player has to play for their local club though

I believe the Storm used the extra $100m they got from News Ltd/ARLC between 98-18 to hire the best talent scouts, coaches and support staff. I also believe they used that money to make under the table payments to the best juniors and their best senior players to prevent them from signing elsewhere.