What's new
The Front Row Forums

Register a free account today to become a member of the world's largest Rugby League discussion forum! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Warriors play hardball with Shaun Johnson

Iafeta

Referee
Messages
24,357
We just freed up close to a mil, we hardly need trades now.

To get something you got to give something. To give something you have to have it first.

As in, if SJ is still contracted and say the Tigers want him, great, we will take Luke Brooks off your hands in exchange.

For anyone to come here now, they either need their own release or be off contract.

Mind boggling dumbness from the club.
 

JJ

Immortal
Messages
32,720
To get something you got to give something. To give something you have to have it first.

As in, if SJ is still contracted and say the Tigers want him, great, we will take Luke Brooks off your hands in exchange.

For anyone to come here now, they either need their own release or be off contract.

Mind boggling dumbness from the club.
Yep, they could have had a crack at Brooks, Nikorima, Moses/Norman, even Townsend or Moylan - f**k even phone Uncle Ivan, they have Maloney and the kid that cut us up - now we have nothing except money, and nobody to spend it one - Kearney might give Blair an upgrade
 

Izz

Bench
Messages
3,925
On yer bike, Shaun.

You've said all the right things for eight years but have consistently got bent out of shape anytime you've been criticized. Plus you messed the club around before re-signing in an attempt to push your value up. True, you've gone great downhill, but you disappeared this season in our biggest game since 2011 almost like you didn't want to be there.

I hope a coach across the ditch can unlock you. Maybe you should listen when they tell you that you need to get your jersey dirty.
 
Messages
4,924
Have a read of David Skipworths article on the NZ Herald and tell me it was in the clubs best interests to keep him.

As I’ve said SJ has always been about SJ and he’s been full of crap throughout this process
http://nzh.tw/12167809


To get something you got to give something. To give something you have to have it first.

As in, if SJ is still contracted and say the Tigers want him, great, we will take Luke Brooks off your hands in exchange.

For anyone to come here now, they either need their own release or be off contract.

Mind boggling dumbness from the club.
ad
 

WellsNZ

Juniors
Messages
903
My only real frustration is that they couldn't use this to get something to benefit the club. And that this happened after letting Lino walk.

The actual losing of SJ, especially after reading that article, meh. I would be more concerned before last season, but after seeing the culture shift in the team last year, I think the squad will embrace it as another challenge and put in harder.
 

SpaceMonkey

Immortal
Messages
40,574
My only real frustration is that they couldn't use this to get something to benefit the club. And that this happened after letting Lino walk.

The actual losing of SJ, especially after reading that article, meh. I would be more concerned before last season, but after seeing the culture shift in the team last year, I think the squad will embrace it as another challenge and put in harder.

Yep. The lack of foresight in losing Lino is my main gripe. I back the club’s stance on SJ.
 

VillaTheGorilla

Juniors
Messages
508
Someone mentioned earlier, but what is the deal with the money side of things?

Say we don't sign anyone up for next year and we have $1mil sitting in the bank. Are we able to front end some players contracts for next year, so that we have more money for 2020?

Eg. Roger is on 500k per season, next year as we have extra in our cap, we pay him $750k and then in 2020 only $250k?
 

Rich102

Moderator
Staff member
Messages
11,762
Someone mentioned earlier, but what is the deal with the money side of things?

Say we don't sign anyone up for next year and we have $1mil sitting in the bank. Are we able to front end some players contracts for next year, so that we have more money for 2020?

Eg. Roger is on 500k per season, next year as we have extra in our cap, we pay him $750k and then in 2020 only $250k?


I think Roger is on far more than 500k.
 

Mighty Ape Man

Juniors
Messages
179
Someone mentioned earlier, but what is the deal with the money side of things?

Say we don't sign anyone up for next year and we have $1mil sitting in the bank. Are we able to front end some players contracts for next year, so that we have more money for 2020?

Eg. Roger is on 500k per season, next year as we have extra in our cap, we pay him $750k and then in 2020 only $250k?
Cap is year by year. If we underspend there is no benefit later (except in the accounting Dept.) If we overspend... Well let's just don't go there oÓ

If they could only convince JT to come out of retirement for one year at the Warriors
 

VillaTheGorilla

Juniors
Messages
508
I think Roger is on far more than 500k.

Haha yes of course, I was just using the round numbers as an example, probably shouldn't have used his name tho.

I guess with this case, 1 mil has been freed up at a very late stage with not many recruitment options available for 2019, so what im asking is can the books essentially be shuffled so that we would be using that 1 million to front end a few players in 2019 to free that cash up when potential recruits are free in 2020?
 

Penrose Warrior

First Grade
Messages
9,467
I believe what David Skipwith is saying, he's well connected at the club.

Forget all the stuff about the Warriors poorly organising their roster. Here's the more likely version: Shaun knows in September he's not going to be re-signed automatically before his deal is up. He and Peter Brown test the waters. Media gets a sniff of it, George knows pretty much that Shaun is gone, and is not prepared to play happy families in the papers. Shaun lies that he's not been told, even though the Herald says Kearney made a point of telling him. Shaun continues to play the PR game on social media, knowing he's got a cult following and that they'll revolt against the club (the same club Shaun claims to be a die-hard lover of, despite threatening to walk on them). He says he won't perform, the club quite right tells him to go - which they would've done at the end of 2019 anyway.

Shaun is an average bloke, in my opinion. The 'youse got your way', the constant bristling against the attention he gets (million reasons to ignore it and focus on his game) and we're now being told, and I believe it, that his training commitment is half arsed.

The fans can say 'he'll go somewhere else and win a premiership before us, what a dumb call etc' and maybe he will. But he was on easy street at the Warriors, coasting along when he should've been a leader, striving to make us and himself the best they can be - like RTS did. He's been jacked off too many times in the media and by the public, he's the marketing darling who can do no wrong in many eyes. And he acts like it.

This is the best thing that's happened to the club in ages. And it's no fault of our own that we find ourselves without a 7. The club had every right to believe someone who tells everyone he loves the Warriors so much and wanted to stay to win a premiership would see out his fat contract.
 

SpaceMonkey

Immortal
Messages
40,574
Someone mentioned earlier, but what is the deal with the money side of things?

Say we don't sign anyone up for next year and we have $1mil sitting in the bank. Are we able to front end some players contracts for next year, so that we have more money for 2020?

Eg. Roger is on 500k per season, next year as we have extra in our cap, we pay him $750k and then in 2020 only $250k?

The NRL are banning back-ended contracts- good question as to whether that will extend to the reverse situation and restrict front-ending as well.
 

Penrose Warrior

First Grade
Messages
9,467
To get something you got to give something. To give something you have to have it first.

As in, if SJ is still contracted and say the Tigers want him, great, we will take Luke Brooks off your hands in exchange.

For anyone to come here now, they either need their own release or be off contract.

Mind boggling dumbness from the club.

But Shaun forced us into this corner. He said f**k it, I don't want to play here anymore because you aren't fawning over me a year ahead to give me a new contract (that I don't really deserve). So why is that dumb? How could we have done that differently, if we are to believe Shaun knew in September he wasn't going to be re-signed automatically? Would you pay him $1m a year again?

And would the better bet to be to make him stay and stink up the joint attitude wise in 2019, and play half arsed?

Not much of this is on the club. It's on the increasing player/player manager power and the ability for them to hold clubs to ransom until they get what they want. No one can afford to have high profile people, players and coaches, on their list who want out. It's toxic. Hence we've binned Johnson.

We might suck in 2019 and people will say 'oh it's because you got rid of Johnson'. Bullshit. We just didn't re-sign him, which was completely fair given his performance and apparent attitude, then he walked. We didn't get rid of him at all. We'll load up again and be a force in 2020 with a lot of cash to spend - and a management staff who I fully trust in to make good decisions on who joins us.
 

VillaTheGorilla

Juniors
Messages
508
The NRL are banning back-ended contracts- good question as to whether that will extend to the reverse situation and restrict front-ending as well.
Yeah that's what I was wondering about, but the talk was that was to stop clubs from shooting their selves in the foot.
This situation is completely different imo.
And if players are on contracts that say 4 years for 1 million, if the cap allows to pay that out as early as possible, why not?

Just wishful thinking on my half I think
 

sup42

Juniors
Messages
2,466
Have a read of David Skipworths article on the NZ Herald and tell me it was in the clubs best interests to keep him.

As I’ve said SJ has always been about SJ and he’s been full of crap throughout this process
http://nzh.tw/12167809



ad
Yep the truth is coming out now.

There have always been strong rumors that he was a dick off the field, the Warriors spoiled him to be fair, they let him grow up with all those other entitled cancers at the club...and he is the last tumor....excised.

Bye mate. Good luck being special in Aus.

The old Warriors are dead.

Long live the new Leadership.
 

jaseg

Juniors
Messages
2,274
If we can get Marty Taupau out of this, and then have CHT and Perham (talents... but both teenagers...) competing to be the offsider to Green (probably Hayze winning that one, but CHT is talented no doubt), then I won't hold it against them. I have no real hope for Keighran - but that'd be a nice surprise, if he did something.

Otherwise... yeah. Major clusterf**k - particularly the media side of things.

For the second straight year now, my attitude to the club is "prove it" before I sign up again for membership.
 
Messages
17,770
But Shaun forced us into this corner. He said f**k it, I don't want to play here anymore because you aren't fawning over me a year ahead to give me a new contract (that I don't really deserve). So why is that dumb? How could we have done that differently, if we are to believe Shaun knew in September he wasn't going to be re-signed automatically? Would you pay him $1m a year again?

And would the better bet to be to make him stay and stink up the joint attitude wise in 2019, and play half arsed?

Not much of this is on the club. It's on the increasing player/player manager power and the ability for them to hold clubs to ransom until they get what they want. No one can afford to have high profile people, players and coaches, on their list who want out. It's toxic. Hence we've binned Johnson.

We might suck in 2019 and people will say 'oh it's because you got rid of Johnson'. Bullshit. We just didn't re-sign him, which was completely fair given his performance and apparent attitude, then he walked. We didn't get rid of him at all. We'll load up again and be a force in 2020 with a lot of cash to spend - and a management staff who I fully trust in to make good decisions on who joins us.

While I believe a lot of the narrative, especially when RTS showed up and started wanting the extras (sprint coach etc) compared to current squad. But why let Lino go? Unless they underrated him also.
 
Top