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Warriors play hardball with Shaun Johnson

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If you think about it that spine set up is probably the perfect time to pick a young guy and give him a crack to cement himeself
Both Stacey and Johnson (our longest serving halves) didn't start the season in their first (shall we call it break out) year. A full 26 rounds is a lot for a young body and mind. I'd say we see changes depending on results about round 10.
 

WellsNZ

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If you think about it that spine set up is probably the perfect time to pick a young guy and give him a crack to cement himeself

That's true. In the context though of having been bad for so long and now finally taking some steps forward and now having this big drive to get more fans back on board though, it isn't a great time to potentially take a step back but it is what it is.

Easier for teams who are accustomed to success, or even teams that are currently bad, to go through that transition.

If it works out though, and with those other guys there it may well do, then awesome. They've done a final run with a fresh face in the halves before though I certainly rate the rest of that team more.
 

WellsNZ

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Both Stacey and Johnson (our longest serving halves) didn't start the season in their first (shall we call it break out) year. A full 26 rounds is a lot for a young body and mind. I'd say we see changes depending on results about round 10.

There's a few options so maybe we'll see something like what Melbourne did last year when there was a mix of Croft, Jacks, Hughes all getting time there to get through that long campaign.
 

Rich102

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I wonder if money was the stumbling block with Nikorima? Can't see any other reason not to sign him. Young, good form, proven in the position etc.
 
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I wonder if money was the stumbling block with Nikorima? Can't see any other reason not to sign him. Young, good form, proven in the position etc.

He roomed with SJ on the Kiwi tour, there was an article if I recall correctly that Nikorma was quoted in regarding the situation not being the best.
 

Fufu Andronez

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Not sure if Nikorima would be on board with the move just yet either. Pretty sure he is just about to have a kid
 

JJ

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I wonder if money was the stumbling block with Nikorima? Can't see any other reason not to sign him. Young, good form, proven in the position etc.
Is he really proven in the halves in the NRL? The halves have been inconsistent and at times directionless for the Broncos - admittedly he and Green would complement each other better than he and Milford...

Rather than Blair and Nikorima, be much keener on Pangai and Haas :) - but the Broncos aren't stupid
 
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How do people see Green going as the number 1 option ? He has had 3 solid years in the NRL as a number 2 option, will be interesting to see how he goes as the main man, he isn’t really a dominating player at all, has been enough of a journeyman now though that the pressure shouldn’t phase him too much

The danger is that he now feels a bit of pressure to overplay his hand, where his past roles have just been a steady the ship type of player
 

JJ

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How do people see Green going as the number 1 option ? He has had 3 solid years in the NRL as a number 2 option, will be interesting to see how he goes as the main man, he isn’t really a dominating player at all, has been enough of a journeyman now though that the pressure shouldn’t phase him too much

The danger is that he now feels a bit of pressure to overplay his hand, where his past roles have just been a steady the ship type of player
He's s good journeyman, he won't be a clusterf**k but he's not elite IMO. The Melbourne 2018 analogy is interesting with that level of structure and organisation we could cope, but that's not usually who we are
 

VillaTheGorilla

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If we were to front end SJ's money for next year, we would have a ridiculous amount of money to spend. Imagine:

Next year we front end a bunch of our 2020 contracts, freeing up SJ's 2019 1.1 mil so we were able to use it for 2020.
Assuming Luke is on 800k and we dont sign anyone next year, we would be pretty cashed up for the next few years:

2020: 3 million (SJ 2019 & 2020 money, Luke's money)
2021: 1.9 million (SJ money and Luke's money)
2022: 1.9 million (SJ and Luke's money)

$6.8 million over 3 years, we could afford some pretty too end players with that kind of cash.
 

¿N. ig-mah¿

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If we were to front end SJ's money for next year, we would have a ridiculous amount of money to spend. Imagine:

Next year we front end a bunch of our 2020 contracts, freeing up SJ's 2019 1.1 mil so we were able to use it for 2020.
Assuming Luke is on 800k and we dont sign anyone next year, we would be pretty cashed up for the next few years:

2020: 3 million (SJ 2019 & 2020 money, Luke's money)
2021: 1.9 million (SJ money and Luke's money)
2022: 1.9 million (SJ and Luke's money)

$6.8 million over 3 years, we could afford some pretty too end players with that kind of cash.
Luke is on horrible money next year. Wasnt the rumour around $350k. He had no options, so he had to take it, after Newcastle backed out of their interest.
 

¿N. ig-mah¿

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We had a rep at work today. He overheard me and another guy discussing the Nikorima story. I was saying I suspect the Warriors are playing hard ball with the Broncos. We know they want to offload him. We play it cool and say we really dont need him and couldnt pay much for him. Broncos comeback with an offer of half his salary. The rep said he will do some digging. He has a direct connection to Nikorima, he says. I think his daughters partner was a close friend of Kodi. Im hoping he lets us know what he finds out. My bet is we are just playing the waiting game, so we have enough for a giant prop.
 

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Warriors football boss Brian Smith says the club were surprised by Shaun Johnson's demand for a contract release but believes the Kiwi international's exit has provided the Auckland-based NRL club with a silver lining.

Speaking on the Radio Sport Breakfast Wednesday morning, Smith was grilled over the Warriors handling of events that led to Johnson wanting out of the final year of his million dollar contract last week, before the star playmaker signed with Cronulla on a three-year deal.

Smith attempted to shed more light on the saga that has divided NRL fans and critics on both sides of the Tasman, and reiterated the club's stance that Johnson ignored the opportunity to discuss options for the future, after the Warriors initially declined to make an offer to extend his contract and informed his agent that he was free to test his value on the open market.


"We didn't expect [Johnson's demand for a release] for a response to what we were hoping was going to be a discussion about the future with him," Smith told Radio Sport.

"We didn't really establish [Johnson's worth] because Shaun was in a position where he could have done that."

The Herald reported last month that Johnson's inconsistent performances had raised doubts over whether he was providing the Warriors with value for money, after he re-signed with the club last season on a two-year seven-figure contract.

Smith hinted the mercurial No 7's hot-and-cold form was behind the club's hesitancy to table a new offer.

Sources from both camps have confirmed during last week's fateful meeting, Johnson declared he wanted to leave the Warriors immediately, rather than attempt to find middle ground or discuss parameters for an acceptable pay-cut.

"So we didn't establish [what he was worth]. I can't say to you whether it was a million, or half a million. The process, Shaun took control of what he wanted to do and we didn't get that far."

Smith refused to detail the qualities in Johnson's play or training ethic that the club was dissatisfied with, saying it would be "churlish" for him to do so.

However, he intimated the Warriors could have been persuaded to show more enthusiasm towards re-signing Johnson, if he had been open to discussing areas in which he could grow, and demonstrated a willingness and determination to work on improving his game.

"I think it's fair to say that there is no such thing as the complete player. Everybody is the game is always looking for improvement.

"Those are the sorts of things that we wanted to talk to Shaun about."


Meanwhile, Kearney is satisfied with the progress made by the club's emerging halves - Chanel Harris-Tavita, Hayze Perham, Paul Turner and Penrith recruit Adam Keighran – over the first month of pre-season training.

Whether a future first grade halves combination is born out of those stocks in time for next season, or the club spends money on attracting new talent, Smith is confident the Warriors are well placed to find stability and achieve success going forward.

"It is a big thing that's happened, but it's also provided us with a fantastic opportunity with a large chunk of money to be able to put ourselves in a position where we can be very stable over the next three to five years.

"And in that period of time, we certainly want to get ourselves into a position where we can win the competition.

"We need to make great decisions in the next little while about how we go about what we do. And we're not going to be rushed."

www.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/article.cfm?c_id=79&objectid=12171857
 

BLN2

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Sean O'Sullivan has been mentioned as a possible pick up after Bennett left. Not sure if that's just because his Dad is at the club and fits the Dylan Brown style of promising player, but worth a mention. With Niko out of favour apparently and on a 2 year deal I can't see it happening.
 

VillaTheGorilla

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Luke is on horrible money next year. Wasnt the rumour around $350k. He had no options, so he had to take it, after Newcastle backed out of their interest.

Holy shiet, that's terrible money. I hope it's not true, can you imagine being Luke and seeing a good mate in SJ go, being injured and coming back to training late AND being on shit coin?
Scary if true.

Even if it is, surely the money we've saved from his downgrade hasn't all been used yet?
 

Mr Angry

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Sharks CEO said:
When the recruitment process began and it became apparent we were the front runners to land Shaun’s signature, I knew we were getting a wonderful athlete and an exciting rugby league player. However, in meeting him and his fiancée Kayla on the weekend, it became obvious the Sharks would also be getting an outstanding ambassador for our sport.

hmmm

A mans biggest influence is his Mrs.
 

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