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Watson says Scurrah should be sacked!

beefstew

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CEO: John Hart
Football Department Director: Elliott (I actually think he'd be very good at this job, he is outstanding in the media, has contacts, and is from all intents and purposes extremely good at setting up structures that move from one grade to another)
Football Operations Manager: Steve Price
First Grade Coach: Ivan Cleary
Assistant Coaches: Tony Iro, Andrew McFadden
NYC Coach: John Ackland


This would do me: a coach who realizes that our wingers are too stupid, slow, and lacking in the skills expected and needed from first grade wingers these days, and that at least half of our forward pack lacks the size, aggression, and durability to make an impact, particularly on attack.

Management is there to make sure the coach has what he thinks he needs (asks for) to make the team a success, and from what iv'e seen they are doing that. The club seems to have provided everything a coach and players could ask for, within their control. ME
's appalling reputation as a coach probably has more to do with players not wanting to come here than the management team does.
 

One Warrior

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CEO: John Hart
Football Department Director: Elliott (I actually think he'd be very good at this job, he is outstanding in the media, has contacts, and is from all intents and purposes extremely good at setting up structures that move from one grade to another)
Football Operations Manager: Steve Price
First Grade Coach: Ivan Cleary
Assistant Coaches: Tony Iro, Andrew McFadden
NYC Coach: John Ackland

Totally agree with this, I assume with this organisational structure Steve Price would also be Recruitment Manager, whatever happens Steve Price must be brought into the club in a managerial role, he is wasted currently as a college coach.
 

MKEB...

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wasnt Watson the clown that caused the Warriors to rort the cap??

and wasnt he the dipshit who wanted to pull the warriors from the NRL and put them in the super 12 at the time??

:lol:

yeah... theres a bloke that knows whats good management... :roll:

Just out of interest; are you against the idea? Or Just the person it came from? The latter I can understand. The former?
 

shiznit

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Just out of interest; are you against the idea? Or Just the person it came from? The latter I can understand. The former?
Serious questions need to be asked of Scurrah... and he would be very lucky to still have a job by the end of the year.

but i find it hilarious that people are actually giving this clowns opinion any credence...

in essence we have the main culprit behind the Warriors darkest time... criticizing the management skills of the bloke who actually came in and fixed the mess he created.

he's the LAST person who should be talking about the Warriors management...
 

Diesel

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This would do me: a coach who realizes that our wingers are too stupid, slow, and lacking in the skills expected and needed from first grade wingers these days, and that at least half of our forward pack lacks the size, aggression, and durability to make an impact, particularly on attack.

Management is there to make sure the coach has what he thinks he needs (asks for) to make the team a success, and from what iv'e seen they are doing that. The club seems to have provided everything a coach and players could ask for, within their control. ME
's appalling reputation as a coach probably has more to do with players not wanting to come here than the management team does.

Not that I have an issue with Elliott but management were the ones that picked him (and Bluey) so if it doesn't work out, then bye-bye
 

Dr Crane

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Serious questions need to be asked of Scurrah... and he would be very lucky to still have a job by the end of the year.

but i find it hilarious that people are actually giving this clowns opinion any credence...

in essence we have the main culprit behind the Warriors darkest time... criticizing the management skills of the bloke who actually came in and fixed the mess he created.

he's the LAST person who should be talking about the Warriors management...

I will admit, he is brave to dare comment, but he's not wrong.
 

Iafeta

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Anyway they can get Kevin Campion back?? That bloke's school of hard knocks mentality is BADDDDLLLY needed at Penrose.
 

Rich102

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Scurrah was on 3 News this morning talking to Sam Akkerman. Joke of an interview; he said nothing.
 

spear tackle

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Anyway they can get Kevin Campion back?? That bloke's school of hard knocks mentality is BADDDDLLLY needed at Penrose.


If they did half the team would call in sick when it came time to train with him. He would be good for the side though.
 

beefstew

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Not that I have an issue with Elliott but management were the ones that picked him (and Bluey) so if it doesn't work out, then bye-bye


I guess Bluey had a CV that was as good as you'll find from a coach with no NRL experience, so was probably a pretty decent punt to take when looking at our long line of rookie coaches. Elliot was a last resort after nothing they offered Bellamy seemed to be enough, and it sounds like O.Glenn had as much to do with ME's signing as anyone.

Who cares who the CEO is really, if the majority of the squad and coach are second rate, then their results will be second rate no matter who's running the joint.
 

Cold Roses

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Normally cant stand this guy (Chris Rattue) but there are some strangely familiar ideas here

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/article.cfm?c_id=79&objectid=10885993

1. Bring back John Hart ... as CEO

The former All Blacks coach was the central figure in engineering the turnaround under Ivan Cleary. Hart took a big risk coming on board as an executive director, crossing the rugby-league divide. But Cleary and co revered his influence and mentoring role. He is understood to have brought common sense, skilled communication, stability and cohesion to proceedings, including in contract dealings. Under Hart, there was a logical hierarchy to the contracts and outlandish demands were kicked into touch. Hart's many years of learning in the brutal rugby spotlight proved to be mana from heaven for the erratic league club. Would Hart contemplate a return? He is said to retain a great affection for the club and players and will no doubt be saddened that all the good ground has been lost. But Glenn is a challenging owner. And given the reason for Hart's 2011 departure - what he saw as the mistreatment of Cleary - this is a long shot. The Warriors are falling apart under Wayne Scurrah, judging by on-field performances. He is reputedly skilled in marketing but flailing as CEO - so bring back Hart.

2. Get Steve Price

The great Warriors prop, who has stayed in Auckland rather than return to Australia since retiring, has his eye on high level league administration and would bring so many assets. If Elliott is to stay, the club needs strong and experienced football people around the battling coach. Whether Elliott is there or not, the charismatic Price would bring vital nous and mana to a club that looks ready to sink. He's rescued it before as a player, he can do it again from an office. From what I can ascertain, Hart and Price can work together. Would Price take a Warriors job on? Being groomed as a successor to new CEO Hart should be tempting.

3. Retain John Ackland

The arrival of Hart and/or Price would take care of that. Otherwise, Ackland will head out the door at the end of this season if the current regime stays. The loss of the junior coach and scout - the trusted conduit between local talent and the club - would be a disaster. An inference by Scurrah - surely at Elliott's behest - that Ackland hasn't produced the right players for first grade is wrong and a case of ridiculous scapegoating (although no system is perfect). More significantly the Warriors have a long history of recruiting erratically - in terms of more established players - out of Australia and England. And Ackland is hardly to blame for the loss of tough first graders like James Maloney, Lewis Brown and Elijah Taylor who can create the right conditions for the juniors to be promoted into.

4. Stop making ridiculous statements

There was a rush of adrenalin under the gregarious Glenn. New chairman Bill Wavish reckoned "We are no longer talking about when we win the first championship, but how many we win."

Clubs need ambition, but best keep feet on the ground when opening the mouth. The NRL is a tough arena. Cleary's reign is recalled fondly in light of the current disasters, but remember that his Warriors were smashed by Brisbane in the 2011 finals and only lived to fight another day thanks to a wonky playoff system.

Cleary's overall record was decent in the circumstances, but not startling. Titles don't fall out of trees. Mad public utterances only make the task harder. Unreasonable expectations create distractions and unwanted extra pressure. In those situations, people do strange and destructive things.

5. Cut out the new-age nonsense and get back to basics

The NRL's boss David Smith wants to turn the Warriors into a travelling circus, playing more matches around the country after drawing a 30,000-plus crowd in Wellington. Scurrah didn't exactly knock Smith back. More madness.

The Warriors have a terrible record at New Zealand venues outside of Mt Smart. The aim should be to create a fortress - not surrender home ground advantage.

Get the competition points and all the good stuff will follow. (I'd scrap the Eden Park dalliance as well).

6. Get a bit more sports/league knowledge on the club's board.

There needs to be a balance, but it is too skewed towards business at the moment.
 

Iafeta

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I read that article. Best article I've seen from Chris Rattue. Can't find fault with any of his comments here.
 

Auckland4ever

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Go the mighty Panthers!!!!

Just seems like yesterday I was in here reading about how Cleary supposedly couldn't motivate his players. Just watched an average Panther's side (on paper) looking very happy and united as a team, playing with a lot of spirit. I can remember when a certain other team used to have that look about them. Was a while ago, unfortunately.
 

Micistm

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Agreed with Rattue's opinion piece, aside from the Home advantage thing. They've only played one home game away from Auckland- Ever- so that's not a valid arguement IMO.Other teams take home games away for the good of the Code promotion, and for fans- There is no reason why the Warriors can't take at least one game to other NZ areas a year. Just ditch the unpopular Eden Park ones, IMO it seems totally dumb to play in your hometown, away from your homeground, unless there is some sort of work being done on it.
Taking a homegame once a year away to other areas of NZ is not the reason they are crap atm. If anything, the cheer of a big crowd behind you away from your homeground should lift you, not hinder you!
 

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