Wayne Bennett recommended Steve Price didn't he?

[Rob Dragon]

Willow, I don't think Bennett stitched up Price; and I was being somewhat controversial in my posting; and it has worked in provoking debate. But I will not back off the point that Price is an uninspiring kid. He worries me and he is up against some pretty handy coaches (Bellamy, Hasler, Sheens, Bennett, Griffin, McGuire). I think that Price inherited a team with ageing veterans and was undone by Gasnier's retirement and Moltzens backflip. But still, he is a kid and he is not up to it. On another note am I the only member of this forum who is starting to think we may have some cash issues? The departures of Boyd, Gasnier, Moltzen (not coming) and the impending retirement of Young and with Scott going suggests we should have a fair slice of salary cap available. Why aren't we spending it? I understand we had a lash at Cronk and that would suggest there is some money around....but I don't know...it is just strange that we are so passive in terms of recruitment.

 

[Godz Illa]

hahah brilliant thread! Champagne comedy. Love that Saints supporters have kept their sense of humour

 

[Mr Red]

The players have said they back Price. I prefer to trust their judgement. Give "the kid", as you call him, a go. He was contracted to do a job for 2 seasons, yet after 13 rounds there are calls for his head?

What about the "old man" up at Newcastle? How's he going? Punt him too?

right through previous seasons players from many teams have always said publicly that they support the coach, right up until they day he is sacked...
they players might support Price based on what he achieved as an assistant in a successful period under bennett..
but now he is the coach, not the assistant and we arent successful.... even the players will start the question price's abilities if this season continues along the same path as it currently is...

 

[Willow]

I will not back off the point that Price is an uninspiring kid. He worries me and he is up against some pretty handy coaches (Bellamy, Hasler, Sheens, Bennett, Griffin, McGuire).

Well Rob, I don't like to kick a bloke when he's down. Price is a rookie head coach on a learning curve, yep. Out of his depth? Perhaps, but we'll see how the season pans out.

As said, I'll be interested to see how he compares with Bennett's first season as head coach.

And worth noting, the kid has schooled Bennett twice this year.

 

[Rob Dragon]

Willow, yes an average Dragons side has twice beaten a poor Knights side. We are the most prestigous side in the league, and a team and brand such as ours should never instill rookie coaches. Ever. We are better than that. We have hurt since 1979 and had joy but once in those years and so much of that can be put down to poor management. We need to be unbelievably ruthless in our managment and intent. I have that dreaded feeling that we are headed for a few years of slowly slipping backwards again. It is simply not acceptable. I for one want the most ruthlessly ambitious people running this club, from Chairman to CEO to Coach. Do we have those folk in those places? No we don't! We are in a tough competition and we need to be the toughest of them all. We need people runnng this club that put the fear in all other teams and we need to be the benchmark in terms of players demanding to play with us. You get the sense (and I feel pained to say this) that the Bulldogs are on the ruthless path. Greenburg looks and sounds like a good CEO and Halser is the toughest bloke coaching today. And leading our cavalry? Doust and Price. Serioulsy, talk about light weights! The fish rots from the head my friends, and our head is rotting!

 

[Minh]

You make some good points and you could be right Rob but I damn well hope not, I think it's too early to call.

 

[Godz Illa]

This thread certainly smells awful.

Mmmm... fish tacos

 

[Drain the Dragon]

And leading our cavalry? Doust and Price. Serioulsy, talk about light weights!

Yes that's right, the CEO and assistant coach that delivered you the 2010 premiership. Yeah, those lightweights. :roll:

 

[Drew-Sta]

Henjack had a shocking first year, and was let go first few weeks of 2011.

Griffin did well last year and has opened well this year, but it's still early days and Origin hits Brisbane hard.

Melbourne took several years to play well under Bellamy; they were competitive but 2003 - 2005 they were competitive without being strong. We also know what happened in 2006 onwards.

Kearney has struggled at Parramatta, despite having a reasonable roster.

Tim Sheens first four years at Penrith, he won less than 50% of his games.

Michael Mcguire took hold of a pretty talented Wigan side, so his success is a bit warped. The indications with Souths are he's doing well, but again, he's also had a strong recruitment.

I think people have to realise coaching is not a 'start and succeed' type of venture here. Price has walked in with a much different squad and staff than Bennett had, and we can all safely say Bennett's success was due as much to him as it was to those around him. Folkes is no doubt doing his best, but the reality is these things take time.

For crying out loud, we won the fricken premiership two years ago and had three years of bloody good success! Not to mention the 2004, 2005 and 2006 seasons, which were also flippin' good under Brown. Sure, Browneye didn't get us over the line, but you'd think by the way people are talking right now we'd never won a game since 1979.

Give Price his three years. We owe him that. Some of the people on here want success at all costs and, frankly, success never works like that. It's crafted, people work hard for it, it's a time consuming process. Give Price his three years.

If people were so f**king passionate about the club, they'd concentrate on the front office and the issues there before they lynch club champions, rookie coaches and the freaking Dragons mascot.

 

[Puff]

So a player comes out and says price is shit. Will he be in first grade next week? Will he have a job much longer? Stop being naive. Every player supports the coach when asked. It's like asking a prostitute if you were good in bed before you pay her. I mean let's be serious.

 

[Rob Dragon]

I suppose you're right Drew-Sta; lets just be content being a community based club. We can act as a feeder club for other teams. We will develop our juniors and other teams can take them. We can even develop rookie coaches who make 3-5 years worth of mistakes and then let other teams pick them up when they have served their time at Saints. Hey, your right, no need to sign McGuire when he was available (do you note how several players want to play with McGuire?). What a load of rubbish.

There is a cold wind blowing through the NRL as of today and its name is "private ownership". Tinkler will get it right at Newcastle. The Warriors are owned by a billionaire and they are a scary proposition and the Bronco's are scary wealthy as well. Unless you are run ruthlessly you will not compete. Fullstop. Whilst I loved 2010, I think it was a blip on the radar. Leadership, leadership, leadership. No where to be seen at Saints. Oh and as and aside, why do we have to settle for rebuilding years? We are St. George. We don't rebuild. We win ever other year; but not with this rabble running the place.

 

[_snafu_]

Henjack had a shocking first year, and was let go first few weeks of 2011.

Griffin did well last year and has opened well this year, but it's still early days and Origin hits Brisbane hard.

Melbourne took several years to play well under Bellamy; they were competitive but 2003 - 2005 they were competitive without being strong. We also know what happened in 2006 onwards.

Kearney has struggled at Parramatta, despite having a reasonable roster.

Tim Sheens first four years at Penrith, he won less than 50% of his games.

Michael Mcguire took hold of a pretty talented Wigan side, so his success is a bit warped. The indications with Souths are he's doing well, but again, he's also had a strong recruitment.

I think people have to realise coaching is not a 'start and succeed' type of venture here. Price has walked in with a much different squad and staff than Bennett had, and we can all safely say Bennett's success was due as much to him as it was to those around him. Folkes is no doubt doing his best, but the reality is these things take time.

For crying out loud, we won the fricken premiership two years ago and had three years of bloody good success! Not to mention the 2004, 2005 and 2006 seasons, which were also flippin' good under Brown. Sure, Browneye didn't get us over the line, but you'd think by the way people are talking right now we'd never won a game since 1979.

Give Price his three years. We owe him that. Some of the people on here want success at all costs and, frankly, success never works like that. It's crafted, people work hard for it, it's a time consuming process. Give Price his three years.

If people were so f**king passionate about the club, they'd concentrate on the front office and the issues there before they lynch club champions, rookie coaches and the freaking Dragons mascot.

This post is too sensible for this thread.

 

[blacksafake]

He also recommended Ivan Henjak for the broncos job as well & that finished in tears.As for Mcguire we did talk to him but he rejected the job probably because he thought coming in after wayne was always going to be difficult. souths probably paid more plus having a better playing roster would have been a bonus.

 

[Drain the Dragon]

Whilst I loved 2010, I think it was a blip on the radar.

To quote Ben Hornby in 2010: "This is one for the true believers".
But to others, sadly, it was just a blip on the radar......

 

[Drain the Dragon]

So a player comes out and says price is shit. Will he be in first grade next week? Will he have a job much longer? Stop being naive. Every player supports the coach when asked. It's like asking a prostitute if you were good in bed before you pay her. I mean let's be serious.

I think being quick to judge someone based on a dozen games is a little on the naive side. Can end up with egg on the face.

 

[Godz Illa]

To quote Ben Hornby in 2010: "This is one for the true believers".
But to others, sadly, it was just a blip on the radar......

:lol: At least Rob is being honest. For him, the 2010 premiership and the period of success around it was obviously an unwelcome interruption to a good 30 odd years of negativity and complaining

 

[saint06]

Actually Henjak made the finals in his first year. I think they lost in the prelim final. Geez, what a failure!

 

[64 Dragon]

I think Steve Price was only given a two year contract. Not sure though.

 

[Willow]

Yes, it's two years, not three.

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

so wayne bennet recommended steve price as the 2012-13 coach didn't he? And we have come to understand following wayne's departure just how honourable he is haven't we? Remember wayne said that he had no intention of ripping apart the dragons? Except for the entire support staff, boyd, cuthbertson, mckinnon and scott for next year. Oh, that's right and he wanted cameron king. So apart from those staff and players he has no intention of ripping apart the dragons does he?

Now why would wily old wayne recommend an untried, reasonably unimpressive style of a bloke for head coach when michael mcguire was available for instance? Was it that wayne knows that players are heavilly influenced by the coach of the club they are going to? How many players out there in "sign on land" would be rubbing their hands toegther and saying to their managers "whatever it costs for gods sake get me down to the dragons to play under that kid steve price"?

Not a single player i would presume and certainly not a single player who has seen the rubbish structure dished up by steve price this year.

The leadership at our club is very ordinary and uninspiring. Did we not learn anything from the nathan brown debacle? Kids don't make good coaches of grown men. Full stop!

I suspect that we have become a pretty unattractive place to be recruited too based on steve price. And who recommended steve price? Oh that's right, that old bloke who was not going to rip us apart. Can i suggest that bennetts 1st act in ripping us apart was ensuring we had a novice and rookie coach who no player of any substantial value would want to play under in the years to come? The decision to appoint a boy to this poistion was terrible and we will pay for it for years to come. Thanks wayne bennett!

wtf??????