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Wayne Bennett recommended Steve Price didn't he?

Elias1983

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I don't know a lot about Coyne. The little I do know is he qas quite hesitant to get involved on any side. Can't say I know what his intentions are, but I hope he sticks his nose in one day. Would be an asset to the club.

The structure of the Leagues club, RLFC and JV makes change incredibly difficult and very slow. Even if you got 3 members on the leagues board (which is the first step), you're looking at two to three years before real change could be enacted. Robinson, Doust and co have a very, very deep hold on the club and it makes uprooting them incredibly slow and involved.

Doust and Robinson will retire before they're 'ousted'; not enough supporters will come out on election day and cast their vote, essentially. I would say we have another 10 years of their meddling before any formal change of the guard could be considered as having passed without a huge effort from the supporters to rally and enact change.

To be honest, I also think there's not enough qualified men to replace them that could be trusted. There's about four or five really good egg's around, who would be beneficial if involved in the leagues club, but you can only devote part time energy to this and the club is running 24/7, so it's not easy to mount a ticket and keep your entire life operating normally. We really do need someone like Kevin Ryan, or Mark Coyne, to give it a go - men who have time, a lot of business nous and a league understanding.

Check out this thread, and you'll see some of the stuff that goes on and why it's so hard to enact change.


Just read that thread.... f**k ME!!!

That is just plain pathetic!
 

Fire

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Moderators. I can't access the thread Drew recommended. How do I access it please?
 

Elias1983

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It's a thread from the jubilee avenue guys. I think you need to be a member to access their threads.
 

Saint69

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EVERY club demands success. EVERY club wants to win. EVERY club is out there TRYING to win. What, do you think the GC, Souths, Wests, NQ etc turn up to play like it's a social competition? You muppet. You absolute muppet. You keep crying out 'We want success!!' without ANY concept of how to GET the success, nor the effort that goes into it. You're oblivious to the training, the mix of age and youth, the mix of juniors and recruited. You have no more idea of what it is to craft success at a football club than your next door neighbour.

Of f**king course Wayne Bennett isn't at Newcastle to come 8th. Do you think he came to Saints to come 8th? Do you think Price is keen to snag 8th position this year?

"Well guys, we did it! You can be proud of yourselves, we achieved 8th! Woo hoo!"

That's not what he's looking for you dish rag. He wants the trophy, like we all do.

St George have ALWAYS been a strong club. We've ALWAYS had comparitive success. The problem is the success has never been rewarded with the prize for 30 years until Bennett arrived. We've missed the finals 3 years since 1999, with at least 5 of those years (2005, 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011) having Saints being a really strong candidate for the GF. We took one, and fell short on the others. Are you blind to this? Do you just ignore these facts? The ONLY other teams that have had this success is Melbourne (Who breached the Salary Cap) and Brisbane, who have a major advantage that Ronnie has identified. The Roosters did well to hit 4 GF's in 5 years (2000, 2002, 2003, 2004) but they missed the semi's in 05-07, a wooden spoon in 09 and were 11th in 2011. Are we like that? Have we won a wooden spoon lately? Hell no.

The success we want, which is the continued success of the club as it has been going, is a continuous process. We need to keep crafting, keep building. My one BIG complaint, which as Father Ted has noted, is the board and I was a part of a group trying to fix that. We failed, to the detriment of the club in our opinion.

I want the board to change. I want the Dousts and Robinsons and the rest of those idiots out. I want a strong business running in the Leagues club, I want the footy side reaching the finals and winning premierships every 5 or so years. I want that. But I also know there will be years where things go wrong; injuries, suspensions, player morale dropping. I want the success of this club to be about how we recover from these periods, not who we blame when they happen.

THAT'S success, in my mind. Because it shows character and pride and loyalty and spirit which other clubs crave. Wayne Bennett kenw that. He played on it. That's why we on in 2010 and went so close in 2009. He used what was already there and brought it to the forefront. The Dousts of the board shield it. Have you ever thought about that?



So Wayne Bennett doesn't mention us in an interview, so we must be unsuccessful. Do you hear what you're saying?



We have NOT gone through 3 years of missing the finals. In fact, we haven't yet ARRIVED at the finals yet. We're 14 rounds in you muppet. We're 14 ROUNDS in. Even IF Price misses the finals, we will be achieving what Melbourne did in 2009 and Brisbane did in 2010 - Some f**king success they are if they've missed the finals in the last 3 years and we've been contesting!

Grow up, BBC. You're getting tiresome and I'm sick to death of the cancer you're spreading amongst supporters.

We're not doing well. I get it. Everyone does. But FFS, change your tune mate. You're worse to listen to than Justin Bieber on loop in an elevator.

Well said!

Going over our record in the 33 seasons since we won in 1979 we made 6 grand finals,of those we were favourites in 3-1985,1999 and 2010.
I was at both the 99 and 2010 grand finals,in 99 I walked away in tears thinking we should never have lost after leading 14-0 at halftime and I still believe we should have won,though I partly let go of that in 2010 when we won 1 for the True Believers as Ben Hornby said in his post match speech.I had tears in my eyes that day as well at fulltime and I will never forget being there that day sharing what was a special day with all the other Dragons supporters,I didnt even seem to notice the rain,I was too focused on Saints winning to think of anything else.
I suppose I am trying to say that even though we would all like success every year,that is as has been previously said unrealistic at best,we need to applaud and enjoy the success when it does come and in the the mean time support and cheer on the Mighty Red V because surely there will be more success in the future.
I believe that not only is the game going through a period of major change,the new NRL commission and new TV Rights deal,that the Dragons are as well with a new coach and players moving on and retiring.
We have to trust that most of our young players coming through,our juniors,will lead the side to more success in the future with the help of a few outside signings,though as has been said before,this year and next year may well be transition years,all we can do is watch and see and Support the Red V.
 

64 Dragon

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OK cheers. I'll contact them.

Fire, I've just read that thread on Jubilee Avenue. It is a real eye opener. according to Drew there is no chance of changing anything at the top. Unless you do a Tinkler. And who can do that.

It's a Dynasty and Underbelly all rolled into one.
 

Fire

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Fire, I've just read that thread on Jubilee Avenue. It is a real eye opener. according to Drew there is no chance of changing anything at the top. Unless you do a Tinkler. And who can do that.

It's a Dynasty and Underbelly all rolled into one.

Cheers 64 Dragon! Will definitely get in contact with the Jubilee people now so I can read it.
 

Elias1983

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Fire these are the first 2 posts in the jubilee ave thread that Drew-sta was talkig about, it pretty much explains the situation. I Should have thought of this earlier!

1,Under the current structure, i am a ticketed St George Illawarra Dragons member but not a St George DRLFC member so i have no voting rights on how the FOOTBALL club is run.

As i understand it, to be a member of the St George DRLFC its like getting into the stone cutters and membership is guarded?

Its obviously done to protect those who get in but Is this unique to our club?

A mate of mine is a Dogs season ticket holder and he gets voting rights for the football club as part of the package.

2,The reason for this is because the Leagues club board elect the football club board. Our club has many boards. We have two leagues club boards, two football club bards and a merged footall club board. The Leagues club owns the football club as opposed to the football club owning the leagues club like at the dogs.

To get on the St George Dragons District Rugby league board you need to be elected by the leagues club board. Same as the merged board.

Pretty confusing and is obviously done that way to protect certain people.
 

Elias1983

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and one last one that may be relevant:

You need to be a full member of the leagues club to have a voting right. When a position comes up, you go for it. If the majority of the members vote you in, then your on the board.
 

Willow

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I saw we start a rebel ticket with Drew-Sta leading it to challenge Doust and his cronies!
Trying to unseat board members is near impossible. R2K made two attempts but was met with an old guard with a lot of old tricks up their sleeve. As Drew is well aware, the club can go to extraordinary lengths to stop any emerging opposition.

IMO, the last 'rebel' to get a seat on the board was Robert Stone. But respect to the great man, I think saying 'rebel' is a long bow to draw. He was however good friends with R2K, passionate about Kogarah and wanted to pursue getting the club history right. He was very approachable and wanted to hear what the fans had to say. It was a great loss when he passed away.
 

Elias1983

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Trying to unseat board members is near impossible. R2K made two attempts but was met with an old guard with a lot of old tricks up their sleeve. As Drew is well aware, the club can go to extraordinary lengths to stop any emerging opposition.

IMO, the last 'rebel' to get a seat on the board was Robert Stone. But respect to the great man, I think saying 'rebel' is a long bow to draw. He was however good friends with R2K, passionate about Kogarah and wanted to pursue getting the club history right. It was a great loss when he passed away.

Sons of bitches! Holed up in there nice and tight!
 

to_ddeath

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Drew, keep up the posting and the great work. We need more like you who actually give a shit about change where it's needed & that's at the top end of the club. I'm only a co-admin person on an Oust Doust FB page at present, & trying to drum up some numbers on there.
Reading your posts has been a real eye-opener into the realms of who's running the show & who can bring about change in the right direction. Here's hoping at least people power might actually do something one day if anything.


T.
 

Father Ted

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It all really started to come to a head back when the board wanted to merge us with Easts . Today the revisionists will tell you it was never going to happen . Strange when you consider they had the jersey design done and dusted and the Saints coach quit because he realised the Easts coach Gould was a shoe in to get the job.
Some brave Souls like R2k , Drew Sta and Rexxy got involved in the club , didn't like they saw and did something about it .

People don't realise how many dollars , hours and love for this club that those guys put into Running against the board, vilified them to many other Dragons supporters who have never bothered to really find out what was going on. They put themselves out there taking the fight to the league and football clubs in an effort to Make the Dragons everything that we all know they should be .

All of this effort was repeated during the superleague war and then the war to bring the team back to Kogarah .. In fact Some imo brave souls have been Keeping the board honest for years . My hats off to the R2Ks , Drews of our club .. Not all our greats have played on a footie field
 

64 Dragon

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It all really started to come to a head back when the board wanted to merge us with Easts . Today the revisionists will tell you it was never going to happen . Strange when you consider they had the jersey design done and dusted and the Saints coach quit because he realised the Easts coach Gould was a shoe in to get the job.
Some brave Souls like R2k , Drew Sta and Rexxy got involved in the club , didn't like they saw and did something about it .

People don't realise how many dollars , hours and love for this club that those guys put into Running against the board, vilified them to many other Dragons supporters who have never bothered to really find out what was going on. They put themselves out there taking the fight to the league and football clubs in an effort to Make the Dragons everything that we all know they should be .

All of this effort was repeated during the superleague war and then the war to bring the team back to Kogarah .. In fact Some imo brave souls have been Keeping the board honest for years . My hats off to the R2Ks , Drews of our club .. Not all our greats have played on a footie field

Well said Father.
 

Father Ted

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It all really started to come to a head back when the board wanted to merge us with Easts . Today the revisionists will tell you it was never going to happen . Strange when you consider they had the jersey design done and dusted and the Saints coach quit because he realised the Easts coach Gould was a shoe in to get the job.
Some brave Souls like R2k , Drew Sta and Rexxy got involved in the club , didn't like what they saw and did something about it .

People don't realise how many dollars , hours and love for this club that those guys put into Running against the board, vilified them to many other Dragons supporters who have never bothered to really find out what was going on. They put themselves out there taking the fight to the league and football clubs in an effort to Make the Dragons everything that we all know they should be .

All of this effort was repeated during the superleague war and then the war to bring the team back to Kogarah .. In fact Some imo brave souls have been Keeping the board honest for years . My hats off to the R2Ks , Drews of our club .. Not all our greats have played on a footie field

oops
 

R2K

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Well said Father.

Father Ted, thanks very much for your comments. Things haven't always been good. Hardly a Utopia! I agree with you that the Eastern Suburbs incident was critical. I remember I was visiting Brisbane at the time and read the cover of Rugby League Week - it featured a photo of a St.George player with the caption of "Bondi or Bust". I was disgusted and began taking an active interest regarding the off-field issues, when before I was only interested about what happened on the field. It was a defining moment in my life and led to the R2K campaign in later times and is probably a major reason why I'm a Kogarah Councillor today. I began taking a very active interest in the St.George community on many levels.

I lost faith in officialdom at the time when Super League happened and there was a campaign in the News Ltd papers to move us to Adelaide and Melbourne. I recall living in Hurstville in 1996 and receiving all the Cronulla junk in my letterbox that they would be the only team in Southern Sydney and they were the "Pride of the South".

Like Father Ted, I used to volunteer my time to the Club to the original "Red Vs" (volunteers) to do the mailouts about season tickets, put up posters and sell bronze season tickets on game day. Father Ted and I answered a call from the St.George Club in their magazine where they said that from now on it's either "excellence or extinction". We used to deal with Michael Beattie at the Football Club until he seemed to be on the outer with others there.

The decision to leave Kogarah Jubilee again in 1999 (after St.George merged with Illawarra without a supporter vote) was too much to take. That led to the R2K movement and we haven't wavered on the importance of St.George since. The future of the Dragons isn't in Melbourne or Adelaide or Homebush or Moore Park in the Eastern Suburbs. The future of the Dragons is in Kogarah in the St.George District.

Long live St.George!

To read more about the history of the R2K movement, please have a look at this webpage:

http://r2k.info/history.html
 

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