We are in the minority

[hybrid_tiger]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/...-of-wests-tigers/story-fn2mcuj6-1226458867207

Read through the comments. Most are happy with Sheens. :crazy:

Same old excuses, injuries, who do we replace him with, Sheens doesn't drop the ball, bad luck...f**king pathetic.

Just as I suspected, most people here are in the minority when questioning Sheens.

A large portion of our fan base seems happy to be dished up shit and thinks the head coach isn't responsible at all for that.

Nothing will change.

 

[macnaz]

We still have to try. The more the uninformed casual supporter hears the more they are likely to start waking up and jump onboard. NOW is the time to keep the pressure on while its started. Even if the board fails to listen they can at least be held accountable as the club sinks deeper.
Saints supporters are relentless in the media and we need to follow suit every and any way we can to ensure we are heard.

 

[madunit]

I'm going to write up something tonight, and I will email it to the club, to some of these newspapers and I'll also post it on some blogs and what not I'm a member of.

 

[God-King Dean]

I've been saying this for years to people I know. People give me a 'what a dribbler' look. I call it the "But, it's Tim Sheens...." defence.

 

[TimmyB]

The views on Sheens are so polarised that it stifles any legitimiate discussion about alternative arrangements.

Some of those comments on that article are naive and dilusional. We are stale, the players appear incapable of performing at maximum effort for an entire match, let alone an entire season. It has been that way for some time.
The current arrangement is not working and is untenable.

Some of the views expressed on this and other forums are equally as frustrating. Sheens certainly has ability as a coach, if not from his 4 premierships, you can deduce that from our structure and flair when we are on song. The suggestion that Sheens can't coach at all and that Folkes was the sole reason behind succession in 09/10, the and naked allegations that his selections are due to ego are lunatical and insulting (at least in the case of the latter).

Personally, I would not be adverse to Sheens remaining as a coaching director. I think he has a fantastic eye for talent, and for all the suggestions otherwise, very few players have slipped through our net and gone on to bigger and better things. He is a patriarch and I suspect a major part of what is appears to be an excellent club culture.

I'd be equally as satisfied if he stayed on as coach and an assistance came in as new blood. We need someone who will steel the players for the regular season and frankly, to provide the common sense Sheens appears to sometimes lack. Folkes and Sheens appeared an excellent combination. I think Gronk said if we make the finals, he wouldn't want any other coach (excuse me if that wasn't you or I've misquoted). I agree.

I probably sound very much on the side of Sheens. I put that down to subconcious efforts to compensate for the unbalanced views expressed on this forum.

 

[TimmyB]

I'm going to write up something tonight, and I will email it to the club, to some of these newspapers and I'll also post it on some blogs and what not I'm a member of.

Try and be objective. When you descend into allegations the board has no balls and that Sheens runs the club you do yourself no favours. Unless you have any concrete evidence, it just appears as extreme, paranoid and frankly, insane.

 

[Mr Saab]

I added to that foxsports thread saying Sheens is at fault. Reading through the replies from some of the "fans" makes you shake your head.
Cant believe some blame the refs for the Tigers downfall....some people out there are delusional.
Daniel Anderson should be head hunted ASAP

 

[madunit]

Timmy, I have suggested a few times that I reckon Sheens should become coaching director and allow the NRL team to have a new head coach.

I think its a good way to keep him happy, keep the players who like him happy, and get a good coach in with new ideas.

 

[madunit]

Try and be objective. When you descend into allegations the board has no balls and that Sheens runs the club you do yourself no favours. Unless you have any concrete evidence, it just appears as extreme, paranoid and frankly, insane.

I'm not an idiot.

 

[gronkathon]

It is depressing.

I like to call it the 2005 hangover. The fan base for the most part is still giddy about that miracle run and feel that it is always outside factors be it injury, reff decisions and fall back to the Supercoach/Australian Coach defense of Tim.

We came from a recent history of utter mediocrity from both sides of the both venture and that attitude still grips a large percentage of the fan base

 

[gronkathon]

Timmy I think this year my quote was I don't care if we go on to make the finals and win the whole thing I want Sheens gone as coach.

Everyone is too comfortable in their little pots and the growing group of proteges and yes men Sheens has added to the iner sanctum the worse it will get.

 

[R2Coupe]

Hit the delete and flush button.

The realisation the extreme views expressed on this forum do not represent the views of mainstream supporters is a step forward.

You have the option of walking away completely. I for one would welcome the departure of most of you as you are clearly not supporters of the club.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Hit the delete and flush button.

The realisation the extreme views expressed on this forum do not represent the views of mainstream supporters is a step forward.

You have the option of walking away completely. I for one would welcome the departure of most of you as you are clearly not supporters of the club.

I am certain that everyone who spends enough of their time posting here is more than just a supporter of the club. They are more passionate than most.

You are no more of a fan than me or anyone else just because you support Sheens and some of us don't. Similarly, I am no better or worse of a fan because I think Sheens should be moved on and you do not.

To suggest people should walk away is absolutely pathetic. Everyone in here only wants the best for the club. To pull out the 'you're not a fan' card is just ridiculous.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

The views on Sheens are so polarised that it stifles any legitimiate discussion about alternative arrangements.

Some of those comments on that article are naive and dilusional. We are stale, the players appear incapable of performing at maximum effort for an entire match, let alone an entire season. It has been that way for some time.
The current arrangement is not working and is untenable.

Some of the views expressed on this and other forums are equally as frustrating. Sheens certainly has ability as a coach, if not from his 4 premierships, you can deduce that from our structure and flair when we are on song. The suggestion that Sheens can't coach at all and that Folkes was the sole reason behind succession in 09/10, the and naked allegations that his selections are due to ego are lunatical and insulting (at least in the case of the latter).

Personally, I would not be adverse to Sheens remaining as a coaching director. I think he has a fantastic eye for talent, and for all the suggestions otherwise, very few players have slipped through our net and gone on to bigger and better things. He is a patriarch and I suspect a major part of what is appears to be an excellent club culture.

I'd be equally as satisfied if he stayed on as coach and an assistance came in as new blood. We need someone who will steel the players for the regular season and frankly, to provide the common sense Sheens appears to sometimes lack. Folkes and Sheens appeared an excellent combination. I think Gronk said if we make the finals, he wouldn't want any other coach (excuse me if that wasn't you or I've misquoted). I agree.

I probably sound very much on the side of Sheens. I put that down to subconcious efforts to compensate for the unbalanced views expressed on this forum.

There have been a couple of extreme posts, but I think most people here have presented logical arguments as to why they want Sheens gone.

I have never denied Sheens has been a great coach, I agree with the points you raised. But clearly his time is up and the whole place is stale. And I disagree that he should stay on with a new assistant. Yet according to some the people who believe this aren't supporters of the club.

 

[TimmyB]

There have been a couple of extreme posts, but I think most people here have presented logical arguments as to why they want Sheens gone.

There has been a lot of unnessecary rubbish thrown in. There have been very few posters maintaining any semblance of objectivity. The truth of it is that I want a new coach, I think it's time; and yet I come in here and I'm immediately uncertain when I see who my allies are.

 

[madunit]

Hit the delete and flush button.

The realisation the extreme views expressed on this forum do not represent the views of mainstream supporters is a step forward.

You have the option of walking away completely. I for one would welcome the departure of most of you as you are clearly not supporters of the club.

Lets ignore this bullshit trolling post of yours shall we and discuss some issues.

I have no intention here but to hear your view R2Coupe.

Why do you think this team has failed so miserably this year?

I personally think injuries cannot be blamed. Manly went without Foran for a good chunk of the year and Souths and Cronulla also suffered heavily from injuries over the year.

Considering injuries affect every team, every year, I don't think its a unique issue affecting only this club thus cannot be blamed for losses/poor performance.

There is a reason why we have a 25 man playing squad at the start of the year, and injuries etc will always mean players outside that group will be used as well.

Given the steady improvement from 2010 to 2011, many pundits weren't completely off their rocker to suggest we'd go one better this year and make the grand final.

The fact we will miss the 8 given the steady improvement of previous 2 years has to have been caused by something.

We had injuries in 2010 and 2011 as well, further proving that injuries aren't to blame.

And the death of Robbie's mum can hardly be an excuse because Farah alone has played stunning footy for the majority of the year.

Furthermore, Matt Scott and his team played well and are firmly entrenched in the top 5 and his mum died not long after Robbie's.

So what unqiue factor to the Tigers caused this slump.

We have seen it before in 2006.

Back then it took us until 2010 to see finals footy again. Is there anything you can see that is different in the teams future to that of 2006 that can say we won't spend another 3-4 years in the wilderness before reaching the finals again under Sheens?

If Sheens isn't the problem, and clearly there is a problem, then what is?

 

[TimmyB]

Lets ignore this bullshit trolling post of yours shall we and discuss some issues.

I have no intention here but to hear your view R2Coupe.

Why do you think this team has failed so miserably this year?

I personally think injuries cannot be blamed. Manly went without Foran for a good chunk of the year and Souths and Cronulla also suffered heavily from injuries over the year.

Considering injuries affect every team, every year, I don't think its a unique issue affecting only this club thus cannot be blamed for losses/poor performance.

There is a reason why we have a 25 man playing squad at the start of the year, and injuries etc will always mean players outside that group will be used as well.

Given the steady improvement from 2010 to 2011, many pundits weren't completely off their rocker to suggest we'd go one better this year and make the grand final.

The fact we will miss the 8 given the steady improvement of previous 2 years has to have been caused by something.

We had injuries in 2010 and 2011 as well, further proving that injuries aren't to blame.

And the death of Robbie's mum can hardly be an excuse because Farah alone has played stunning footy for the majority of the year.

Furthermore, Matt Scott and his team played well and are firmly entrenched in the top 5 and his mum died not long after Robbie's.

So what unqiue factor to the Tigers caused this slump.

We have seen it before in 2006.

Back then it took us until 2010 to see finals footy again. Is there anything you can see that is different in the teams future to that of 2006 that can say we won't spend another 3-4 years in the wilderness before reaching the finals again under Sheens?

If Sheens isn't the problem, and clearly there is a problem, then what is?

If Sheens is the problem, why did we steadily improve in 2010 and 2011?

 

[hybrid_tiger]

If Sheens is the problem, why did we steadily improve in 2010 and 2011?

In 2010 and 2011 Sheens picked a halfback (not moving Marshall there) and played most players in their correct positions. Any time he has moved away from this (2007,2008,2009, 2012) we have failed.

I also think we were fitter and better conditioned in those two years. I don't think its a stretch to argue that surely Folkes had something to do with this.

 

[super_coach]

Like with most things you have three groups the far right the far left and the middle ground. The middle ground are usually people who don't want change and like a smooth ride and are usually quite conservative in their views. We all have equal rights to have our views,the trick is to convince the people in the middle to jump ship.

As for the tigers wevseem to be a very conservatively run organization and are always thinking a few years down the track rather than reacting to what's happening today. Anyway I think the message is getting through and maybe the club will put Sheens on final notice in 2013

 

[TimmyB]

In 2010 and 2011 Sheens picked a halfback (not moving Marshall there) and played most players in their correct positions. Any time he has moved away from this (2007,2008,2009, 2012) we have failed.

I also think we were fitter and better conditioned in those two years. I don't think its a stretch to argue that surely Folkes had something to do with this.

Absolutely, and Lui was developing into an excellent young half back. The irony is that he was lambasted on this and other forums last year (I know you were a staunch defender of his).

Who was Sheens supposed to select as halfback this year? Marshall to 7 is a failure, but who is the alternative? People have suggested Miller, but perhaps Sheens doesn't believe Miller is a first grade halfback? Should he pick him anyway?

Incidentally, the commentary on this forum surrounding the non-selection of Miller illustrates my issues with some of Sheens' critics. There are these unfounded and unsourced allegations that Sheens only selects the cool kids, and Miller isn't one of these cool kids. The inference then is that Sheens prefers to pick players he likes (or that stroke his ego) than he does winning football games. I think that's absurd.

Sheens certainly seems to have very rigid ideas about what each of his players is capable of. Sometimes he is generous with his estimations, and sometimes he is harsh. In my opinion though, it is absurd to suggest he conciously (or even unconciously) makes selections based on who he likes rather than who he believes is the best person for the job.