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We don't deserve to be in the finals simple!

ozbash

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He was always plan B..
We missed out on the mega coach and settled for Cappy (either that or no coach at all)

We're still paying for that bullshitter, Scurrah. .
 

Iafeta

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Huge failure imo - I am still astounded that many defend him - yes he's a good player - but his performances have been well short of the expectation - which was that he'd be as good as any fullback in the NRL - tbh he's well in the bottom half - he'd be on money the equivalent of any, but at a pinch only Eels, Newcastle, and the Titans would probably regard him as an upgrade (I might have missed someone)

As above, on attack he offers what Bernie McAhill used too - good hands...

Agreed. I just can't get over his absolute ineptitude in running the football. Preston Campbell was similarly small but he used footwork acceleration and balance. He has footwork but no balance and he really isn't quick.

I think RTS will be fine because he plays direct and he can still pick up 200 plus metres even without direct opportunities. From what I see the Roosters play a lot for Jennings and Snatchuson but RTS still carves up. He can defend as well which Sam cannot.

Bernie McCahill. Wow. Was Aaron Heremaia Shayne Phillpot and Bill Tupou Terry Wright? 😃
 

Blair

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...Bernie McCahill. Wow. Was Aaron Heremaia Shayne Phillpot and Bill Tupou Terry Wright? 😃

Was John Kirwan John Kirwan at the end of his career? ;-)

I'd love Kata to turn into Craig Innes.

No way was Tupou Wright. Tupou wasn't a great finisher.
 

Penrose Warrior

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Bill Tupou was not Terry Wright...Todd Byrne was Terry Wright, Bill Tupou was some Heartland Championship battler who for some reason got a few games.
 

JJ

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nah, Terry Wright was quick!

On McFadden - agree 100%, if I was Doyle I'd be looking for a proven coach
 

Fufu Andronez

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I can't wait to see RTS and Issac running off Big Bens offloads next year. In regards to the coach I think we have to stick with McFadden until either:

1. His contract is up
2. A coach of the Bellamy/Robinson/maguire type is available and is keen to come across.

Surely we would be an attractive proposition to coach next year right??
 

Auckland4ever

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Did a bit of number-crunching (which hopefully is correct): Before SJ got injured, we'd scored 3 or more tries in more than 60% of our games. We'd scored four or more tries in nearly half of our games. Both of these stats were virtually the same for the Roosters over the same time period. Our attack could be better, but at least it's given us a chance in most of the games we've played this season.

The huge chasm between us and the Roosters was in the amount of games that we'd conceded three or more tries in - a woeful 76% (in half of our games, we've conceded four or more tries). The Roosters have only conceded three or more tries in 28% of their games.

This season, we're heading towards a very similar points-against tally as 2014. If there's any improvement in our defense, it's not particularly noticeable to me. Next years reduced interchange will likely help our attack, but it's also going to be a double-edged sword. Our defense is especially average under fatigue and we're likely to find ourselves in that situation next season even more often than this year.

Pretty black and white for where McFadden's focus has to be to extend his first grade coaching career - can he can improve our defense and by how much? If we're to win a premiership, it has to be extensively.
 

Iafeta

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Absolutely. Our defence is deplorable. But of late I don't think its been too much in terms of defensive structure, as opposed to absolutely mind dump defensive decisions individually, or a weak tackle technique. Take last week, the Holmes tries come off a disgraceful individual miss by RFM and one of the worst defensive reads you could ever see (and something highly common in this lads game, which is deplorable given his experience) from Manu Vatuvei. The other try, I'm not too sure how much more could have been done. Probably the most important thing would have been wrapping the ball up to stop that ball getting offloaded, but I don't blame Solomone Kata for not coming off his line - he was shot to bits from the inside and had to keep sliding to have any chance.

Its all mental (and, I think TBF there are some players in the team that are grossly overrated and have basic rudimentary errors in them). Its been mental for some time. The errors lead to having to repetitively defend their line. Most of the errors aren't because of 'razzle dazzle', there'd be a very high percentage of errors from simple losses in contact, ridiculous play-the-ball errors, and simple dropped balls from either decent passes or trying to rush things and throwing appalling passes (not talking offloads, I'm talking for example Friend's effort to Townsend and Townsend's effort to Lolohea on the weekend as examples). Another good example of basic skill weaknesses, Ken Maumalo had to pass the ball twice from dummy half. Twice he threw the ball like the Sydney Harbour bridge well behind the target. I couldn't believe it once, twice... wow.

In terms of players who may be grossly overrated, Konrad and Solomone. Both guys can bust tackles left right and centre. But the rest of their games tend to be rubbish. How many errors have they coughed up per game this year? Manu as well. Yes, you can probably proportion some of those errors into trying to defuse bombs etc which I think is tough, but there are significant unforced errors. They burn our energy and create opportunities.

Every year I hear they do a very hard pre season. But seriously, IMO, its in their heads. Aside from Simon Mannering all the time, Friendy most of the time, Ben Matulino for this year, Jacob all the time, Bodene and Hoff all the time, and Shaun Johnson for about 6 weeks this year, these blokes aren't hungry enough. They aren't ruthless. They aren't willing to grind. Its pretty sad week in week out that probably one of the least skilled players in either Mannering or Friend are getting the 3s and the 2s here, its a sign that the guys with the skills are miles behind in the toughness stakes. I don't know, maybe the injection of RTS and Luke may change that - both aren't coming here for a holiday, both are born winners, neither will compromise. Either directly they may force that attitude on them, or they may try to carry the spine and get SJ consistently performing to be part of the bro club they'll create, and drag the Warriors to a top 4 finish. But until 4-5 other blokes show they want a premiership more than they want a basic contract, we can never win the premiership. I'm a firm believer this club can win 4-5 in say 12-13 years if they can jag that first one and have a foundation that if you turn up to play for the Warriors, there's no excuses, there is a legacy to follow.
 

Iafeta

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I can't wait to see RTS and Issac running off Big Bens offloads next year. In regards to the coach I think we have to stick with McFadden until either:

1. His contract is up
2. A coach of the Bellamy/Robinson/maguire type is available and is keen to come across.

Surely we would be an attractive proposition to coach next year right??

Why would you though?

I mean, at Melbourne Bellamy knows his blokes will turn up. At the Warriors, he knows he can rely on Luke, RTS, Mannering, Lillyman, Thompson, Hoff to turn up week in week out. The rest, its a lottery. Perhaps I think Gubb, Vete, and Lisone can flow into that category, those lads are having a good go at the moment.
 

TheDalek079

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Why would you though?

I mean, at Melbourne Bellamy knows his blokes will turn up. At the Warriors, he knows he can rely on Luke, RTS, Mannering, Lillyman, Thompson, Hoff to turn up week in week out. The rest, its a lottery. Perhaps I think Gubb, Vete, and Lisone can flow into that category, those lads are having a good go at the moment.

the big 3 at melbourne are on their last legs. the big 3 at the warriors (RTS, Shaun, Luke) will be at the top for plenty of seasons to come (maybe not Isaac, but the other two will). There's some quality around them (Matulino, Lillyman, Hoffman) and a heap of youngsters with potential.

If Bellamy wants to win a comp away from Slater/Smith/Cronk then Auckland would be perfect for him
 

Blair

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Love your passion mate but the Dragons record we have is astonishing we rarely beat them like Manly. It will turn this whole shit week around for me if we manage to get the W for this one

It might be our last meaningful week as Warriors fans until March 2016, so we may as well enjoy it.
 
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vvvrulz

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Wow what an emotional thread this is!

Was anyone really surprised that we lost? This is now the point of the season where we blow a few winnable games and then turn completely to custard when we should be coming home strong to sneak into the eight. We're going to land up somewhere between 9-12 as usual. Thought we had a better chance this year when Princess was showing career best form, but his injury sealed the deal.

Nothing wrong with our pack, but we don't have halves, we don't have on-field leadership, we don't have attitude and grit.

Season over lads, no need to get uptight just go with the ride!
All part of being a Warriors tragic.
 

vvvrulz

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Easy. He's checking out. And, frankly, already has checked out. How does a bloke have a try scoring record like him in the ESL but have absolutely no running game? He's not fast. He's so weak he couldn't bruise a grape. He doesn't have a tricky side step on him. All he has is a tip on play. Thats it. I can honestly recall the lad having ONE line break from a kick return in his entire time as a Warrior. Value for money? Yeah right. If you're on that sort of quid you need to provide a return, it can't just be a simple link man player.

Tomkins hasn't checked out, he's one of the few guys who (more often than not) never stops trying. If there is anything to give him, it's that.

But he's just not a very good NRL standard player, and never was. Anyone who thought that his ESL heroics would magically translate here got it wrong. If he was outstanding sure maybe, but at this level of competition he's just run of the mill.

He'll sprint hard, get nowhere, get smashed at every hit up, get smashed on defense.
He'll charge back again and again like a Duracell bunny, he'll cop cheap shots which nobody will do anything about.
He'll throw in some excellent try assists.
He'll have some very good games and some mediocre ones.

That's all he offers as a fullback in this team, at this level.
 

Iron Lion

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Tomkins hasn't checked out, he's one of the few guys who (more often than not) never stops trying. If there is anything to give him, it's that.

But he's just not a very good NRL standard player, and never was. Anyone who thought that his ESL heroics would magically translate here got it wrong. If he was outstanding sure maybe, but at this level of competition he's just run of the mill.

He'll sprint hard, get nowhere, get smashed at every hit up, get smashed on defense.
He'll charge back again and again like a Duracell bunny, he'll cop cheap shots which nobody will do anything about.
He'll throw in some excellent try assists.
He'll have some very good games and some mediocre ones.

That's all he offers as a fullback in this team, at this level.

How do you think he would of gone in the halves?
 

jamaman

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the big 3 at melbourne are on their last legs. the big 3 at the warriors (RTS, Shaun, Luke) will be at the top for plenty of seasons to come (maybe not Isaac, but the other two will). There's some quality around them (Matulino, Lillyman, Hoffman) and a heap of youngsters with potential.

If Bellamy wants to win a comp away from Slater/Smith/Cronk then Auckland would be perfect for him

He would end up in a mental institution :crazy:
 

JJ

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He would end up in a mental institution :crazy:

Think so - or have a stroke

On Tomkins in the halves - rubbish there too imo - I am not seeing how he could defend in the front line, and has shown minimal actual playmaking, other that quickly passing on at second receiver
 
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Wow what an emotional thread this is!

Was anyone really surprised that we lost? This is now the point of the season where we blow a few winnable games and then turn completely to custard when we should be coming home strong to sneak into the eight. We're going to land up somewhere between 9-12 as usual. Thought we had a better chance this year when Princess was showing career best form, but his injury sealed the deal.

Nothing wrong with our pack, but we don't have halves, we don't have on-field leadership, we don't have attitude and grit.

Season over lads, no need to get uptight just go with the ride!
All part of being a Warriors tragic.

Wow if winning is not acceptable in your books then some fans need to be replaced like our mediocre culture you speak about. It's one thing to suggest some die hard fans to go with the ride (We all know that by the way) but to accept nothing else but winning is a real problem. This is not a social club team it's a professional club in a professional and elite competition.

And being emotional about a team you support and love since they came in at 1995 is surprising to you? wow back at ya

Mate do you want us to win? Or just play hard and play fair? Accepting anything less in my books is UNACCEPTABLE 20 years in
 

vvvrulz

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Wow if winning is not acceptable in your books then some fans need to be replaced like our mediocre culture you speak about. It's one thing to suggest some die hard fans to go with the ride (We all know that by the way) but to accept nothing else but winning is a real problem. This is not a social club team it's a professional club in a professional and elite competition.

And being emotional about a team you support and love since they came in at 1995 is surprising to you? wow back at ya

Mate do you want us to win? Or just play hard and play fair? Accepting anything less in my books is UNACCEPTABLE 20 years in

Mate, no offense but pull yourself together.

This is a sports team, this is entertainment. The Warriors aren't curing cancer.

I consider myself a die hard fan and I'd absolutely love us to win the competition. Yes it sucks like anything when we're playing the way we are but it is what it is, as a fan wtf am I going to do about it if we haven't won a title in 20 years.

Nothing wrong with being emotional but there is a limit, put some perspective on it and ride with the ebbs and flows. Savour the good times, have a good b*tch and moan when things turn to crap, but end of the day have a laugh and get on with it.

It hits some of us harder than others, fair enough.
But lets cool the jets a little.
 

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