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We don't need a Stormy night!

JessEel

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it'd just be awesome - melbourne infront by 2, they are attacking our line - ball goes to lowrie, BUT he turns and runs the other way, links up with Burt for a lenght of the field try - then rips his jump off to reveal his true colours!

:lol: :lol:

Cue the TODD SQUAD - (you, me and rowdy) going MENTAL in the stands!!

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boognish

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a great idea lifted from a comment in the the daily telecrap:

SLE of Woodpark Posted at 9:41 AM Today
No boos no yelling - that will only inspire the Storm to work harder. Stand up - turn your backs on them in dead silence - then cheer your own team as they run onto the field! They cheated against every team they played last year - not just us. Hold onto your temper and cheer your team home instead.
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Sangreal 86

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But even if it is verbal, you have to remember the Petro incident a few years ago as well.

Our crowds home reputation is not the best in the league, but I don't know of this call for restraint will be that helpful considering Mr Price's call to play for the NRL 2009 trophy.

Friday night will be interesting.[/QUOT


Oh yes Mark, lets blame Ray Price......why don't you all point the bone at the NRL and News who own the Storm, who must of known something that was going on, particularly with the network of companies registered to the parent, I think his name is Rupert, so vent your anger at this mob who still have our game wallowing around in this ludicrous position of a team that cannot register any competition points for a win against any club, but can come out on a weekly basis and physically flog a team, thus taking away their chance to make the semi's and increasing the chance of serious injury to their star players.

The Storm players are not to blame here. No player at any club knows, or wants to know what their team mates are on, it is an unwritten law, and you do not ask. Of course we all know ball park figures of what they are worth, but thats where it ends. What you are all talking about doing for tomorrow nights game is wrong, this is not the players fault, and there is a couple of blokes in that side who bleed for this club. Players get a very limited window of opportunity during their life to make a quid out of doing what they love, and everyone of you on this site would be doing the exact same thing if you had the opportunity to earn a quid out of doing what you love.

Once any player finishes his NRL career, he leaves with a body ruined for the remainder of their life, leaving them with limited choices of what they can enter into career wise. A very small percentage of players after retirement can remain in the game, or get into the media side of our sport, with a massive and very frightening percentage getting into financial difficultly within the first 10 years of post football. Don't blame the players of the NRL as this is not their doing, and in particular don't blame the players of the Storm, get stuck into the mob running the game and who put us in this situation, not the players. How many great players have we lost overseas and to other codes, and we keep getting the line that the game is bigger than one player, well that does not wash anymore, and the mob running our game needs a tune up, and that happens to be the same mob who own the Storm.

Mark see if you can get the figures on what Rupert has made out of our game through pay TV since the Super League war and what he has put back into the game. Good luck mate, not one person I have asked has had any luck getting their hands on those figures....why is that.

Melbourne players should keep their premierships and their rings, not only because they deserve them, but for the history books of our game. Hang, draw and quarter the dopes who had full knowledge, and start at the top. Our players do not want the premiership handed to them, they want to win it on the field, and we blew our chances in the grand final last year, and we could have won that game, we knew who we were playing, and in a grand final you always want to beat the best in the game, and we could have, but we did not, Storm were too good on the night, and their players and coaches deserve the premiership. Melbourne have directors suing owners and the NRL, does that not ring alarm bells.....don't hang this on the players, each and everyone of them are doing their best for themselves and their families, and everyone of you on this site have had a smile on your face at some stage over the years watching the Storm play sensational football.

You have a right to register your protest, just make sure you point the bone in the right direction.

Sevens.
 
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But even if it is verbal, you have to remember the Petro incident a few years ago as well.

Our crowds home reputation is not the best in the league, but I don't know of this call for restraint will be that helpful considering Mr Price's call to play for the NRL 2009 trophy.

Friday night will be interesting.


Oh yes Mark, lets blame Ray Price......why don't you all point the bone at the NRL and News who own the Storm, who must of known something that was going on, particularly with the network of companies registered to the parent, I think his name is Rupert, so vent your anger at this mob who still have our game wallowing around in this ludicrous position of a team that cannot register any competition points for a win against any club, but can come out on a weekly basis and physically flog a team, thus taking away their chance to make the semi's and increasing the chance of serious injury to their star players.

The Storm players are not to blame here. No player at any club knows, or wants to know what their team mates are on, it is an unwritten law, and you do not ask. Of course we all know ball park figures of what they are worth, but thats where it ends. What you are all talking about doing for tomorrow nights game is wrong, this is not the players fault, and there is a couple of blokes in that side who bleed for this club. Players get a very limited window of opportunity during their life to make a quid out of doing what they love, and everyone of you on this site would be doing the exact same thing if you had the opportunity to earn a quid out of doing what you love.

Once any player finishes his NRL career, he leaves with a body ruined for the remainder of their life, leaving them with limited choices of what they can enter into career wise. A very small percentage of players after retirement can remain in the game, or get into the media side of our sport, with a massive and very frightening percentage getting into financial difficultly within the first 10 years of post football. Don't blame the players of the NRL as this is not their doing, and in particular don't blame the players of the Storm, get stuck into the mob running the game and who put us in this situation, not the players. How many great players have we lost overseas and to other codes, and we keep getting the line that the game is bigger than one player, well that does not wash anymore, and the mob running our game needs a tune up, and that happens to be the same mob who own the Storm.

Mark see if you can get the figures on what Rupert has made out of our game through pay TV since the Super League war and what he has put back into the game. Good luck mate, not one person I have asked has had any luck getting their hands on those figures....why is that.

Melbourne players should keep their premierships and their rings, not only because they deserve them, but for the history books of our game. Hang, draw and quarter the dopes who had full knowledge, and start at the top. Our players do not want the premiership handed to them, they want to win it on the field, and we blew our chances in the grand final last year, and we could have won that game, we knew who we were playing, and in a grand final you always want to beat the best in the game, and we could have, but we did not, Storm were too good on the night, and their players and coaches deserve the premiership. Melbourne have directors suing owners and the NRL, does that not ring alarm bells.....don't hang this on the players, each and everyone of them are doing their best for themselves and their families, and everyone of you on this site have had a smile on your face at some stage over the years watching the Storm play sensational football.

You have a right to register your protest, just make sure you point the bone in the right direction.

Sevens.

and who said I was pointing it at anyone in particular.

Once again Sevens is getting all to precious if anyone even mentions his friends names.

I have believe that Mr Price's comments will be taken on board by a number of Parramatta fans, hell we all would like to have won the premiership, I don't know a single Eels member that doesn't feel completely cheated out of last years premiership.

What is was noting that Mr Price's comments appear to be completely to the counter of Mr Osborne's.

Now Mr Osborne works for Mr Price, so either they are doing good cop bad cop, in if they are they are doing it badly, or someone forgot to get everyone on side before the message went out to members. Either way, as can be seen in the papers this week, I think Mr Osborne's calls for calm and to only give the Storm players a standard welcome to Parramatta stadium will fall on deaf ears, which could be counter productive to our future Membership campaigns or indeed the reputation of Parramatta fans, whos reputation is not the best in the NRL after the last 4 years.

No one is questioning that the Storm have been highly questionable, nor that News Limited has in reality syphoned Million of our League after the Millions it put in, in 1996 and 1997. Everyone wants to see and IC come into play and that would mean more money for more players across the board, but how does any of that right now relate to fan behaviour at Parramatta Stadium on Friday night?
 

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Ill be cheering for Eric Grothe. He is back in my good books and back in my fantasy side after I dumped him on Tuesday

Come on big fella, 18 awesome hitups, 2 tries and smash Luke McDougall into the Eastern Terrace
 

JoeyJoJo83

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Melbourne players should keep their premierships and their rings, not only because they deserve them, but for the history books of our game. Hang, draw and quarter the dopes who had full knowledge, and start at the top. Our players do not want the premiership handed to them, they want to win it on the field, and we blew our chances in the grand final last year, and we could have won that game, we knew who we were playing, and in a grand final you always want to beat the best in the game, and we could have, but we did not, Storm were too good on the night, and their players and coaches deserve the premiership.

Sorry but I do not agree with this statement, Our boys did not lose to the best team in the comp. Our boys lost against a team that was in breach of the rules and as such gained an unfair advantage.

Regardless of if the player knew or not they should NOT be allowed to keep their premiership or their rings, I do feel for the players as they would have busted the guts all year but they have gained an unfair advantage.

If the players are upset or feel hard done by the NRL they should take their anger out on the Melbourne Storm administration and when the season finishes give the club the finger and move on.

Come Friday night rain hail or shine I will be there to boo yell and label "Melbourne Storm" as cheats, I won't abuse the players or their fans but I will vent my anger at the club that cheated their way to victory.
 

Sangreal 86

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and who said I was pointing it at anyone in particular.

Once again Sevens is getting all to precious if anyone even mentions his friends names.

I have believe that Mr Price's comments will be taken on board by a number of Parramatta fans, hell we all would like to have won the premiership, I don't know a single Eels member that doesn't feel completely cheated out of last years premiership.

What is was noting that Mr Price's comments appear to be completely to the counter of Mr Osborne's.

Now Mr Osborne works for Mr Price, so either they are doing good cop bad cop, in if they are they are doing it badly, or someone forgot to get everyone on side before the message went out to members. Either way, as can be seen in the papers this week, I think Mr Osborne's calls for calm and to only give the Storm players a standard welcome to Parramatta stadium will fall on deaf ears, which could be counter productive to our future Membership campaigns or indeed the reputation of Parramatta fans, whos reputation is not the best in the NRL after the last 4 years.

No one is questioning that the Storm have been highly questionable, nor that News Limited has in reality syphoned Million of our League after the Millions it put in, in 1996 and 1997. Everyone wants to see and IC come into play and that would mean more money for more players across the board, but how does any of that right now relate to fan behaviour at Parramatta Stadium on Friday night?

Well Mark, I do not get precious, your comment on Ray was inane. Ray's and my opinion on the Storm differ to a degree, but when I rang Ray after the article, what he said about the reporter cannot be repeated on this forum. Ozzie's opinion is solely directed by a "duty of care"as it should be, and my thoughts earlier are what I believe, and is that you are directing your anger towards the wrong people, don't attack the players, let News and the NRL know what you think, as the game will be televised. Our fans can vent their spline intelligently and with respect to the other supporters around them and more importantly their kids.

Mark on the millions taken out of our game, and the apparent millions he put in, well no one asked him to put anything in,or stick his head in our game, no one asked him to break legal contracts, and why is our club paying back the the money he put in from day one. We can banter all night Mark about this, but to get to how it relates to Friday night, our fans are going to attack the Storm players when they run out.....they are attacking the wrong people. It is a TV game so don't waste the opportunity, tell Rupert what you think, let him see your protest on TV.
Rupert did not become this successful by not knowing what was going on in his companies.
 

Sangreal 86

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Sorry but I do not agree with this statement, Our boys did not lose to the best team in the comp. Our boys lost against a team that was in breach of the rules and as such gained an unfair advantage.

Regardless of if the player knew or not they should NOT be allowed to keep their premiership or their rings, I do feel for the players as they would have busted the guts all year but they have gained an unfair advantage.

If the players are upset or feel hard done by the NRL they should take their anger out on the Melbourne Storm administration and when the season finishes give the club the finger and move on.

Come Friday night rain hail or shine I will be there to boo yell and label "Melbourne Storm" as cheats, I won't abuse the players or their fans but I will vent my anger at the club that cheated their way to victory.

Joey I genuinely understand how your passion reflects through your answer, and I respect your views, but I cant agree with all of your points. Mate on the point of the rules, read them in detail and then have a look at the last 10 premiership winning sides.

The players cannot give them the finger, they are under contract, and under NRL RULES they would stop them from playing at any other club. By all means vent your anger at the Storm, but the players are the pawns in this shambles, and these pawns have been entertaining all of us for years, and will for years to come, so give them some respect.

Joey I will give you an example of the lop sided arrangement we have with News. Billy Slater for example is on say 500k per season, and lets say he gets third party agreements from Suzuki. where his commitment for that is the advertising he does on TV, but thats all he can do, any other opportunity would be scrutinised by the salary cap auditor. Billy has a 10- 12 year life span in our game, why can he not milk it for all he is worth while the advertisers want him. Billy would be worth 5 million a year to News, and I am shooting low on that figure, so where is the parity in that.......I believe it is called restriction of trade.

Please everyone, by all means vent your spline, but be aware of the kids around you.
 

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Rupert did not become this successful by not knowing what was going on in his companies.


Yet we are supposed to believe that News Ltd standards are so poor that a subsidiary company can siphon off $2 million dollars over 4 years and nobody noticed.

Stuff the cheats, the company that owns them, the players that benefited and anyone else involved.

I feel sorry for the fans - but if they turn up to matches to support these cheats then they are deluded as well as ripped off.
 

JoeyJoJo83

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Joey I genuinely understand how your passion reflects through your answer, and I respect your views, but I cant agree with all of your points. Mate on the point of the rules, read them in detail and then have a look at the last 10 premiership winning sides.

So are you saying the Storm where the better side last year and won it fair and square???

The one rule that I will look at is the following taken from the NRL site

http://www.nrl.com/news/news/newsar...d/58360/nrl-salary-cap-explained/default.aspx

The NRL Salary Cap for 2010 is $4.1m for the 25 highest paid players at each club. If each player was paid an equal amount, they would get $164,000 each.
Each club can exercise its discretion in relation to how much individual players are paid, providing that total payments do not exceed the $4.1m cap.
In addition to the $4.1m Salary Cap for top 25 players, each club may spend up to an additional $350,000 on players outside the top 25 who play in the NRL competition.
Firstly it assists in “spreading the playing talent” so that a few better resourced clubs cannot simply out-bid not so well resourced teams for all of the best players. The NRL believes that if a few clubs were able to spend unlimited funds that it would reduce the attraction of games to fans, sponsors and media partners due to an uneven competition. Allowing clubs to spend an unlimited amount on players would drive some clubs out of the competition as they would struggle to match the prices wealthy clubs could afford to pay.
Another reason for the cap is to ensure clubs are not put into a position where they are forced to spend more money than they can afford, in terms of player payments, just to be competitive.

The Storm are in breach of the salary cap, and due to this breach have gained an unfair advantage, I'm not interested in the past 9 years of the premierships, I'm simply stating I do not agree with your conclusion that Parra was beaten by the better team and should retain the championship.

The players cannot give them the finger, they are under contract, and under NRL RULES they would stop them from playing at any other club. By all means vent your anger at the Storm, but the players are the pawns in this shambles, and these pawns have been entertaining all of us for years, and will for years to come, so give them some respect.

Correct the players are under contract, but the Storm have to shed some $700000 off next years cap which could mean player contracts can be broken. There has been some talk in the media as of late that Storm players are willing to take pay cuts to stick together, and this is where my comment comes in with giving them the finger, if the players fill so hard done by they should move on and show their frustration towards the Melbourne club.
 

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Joey I will give you an example of the lop sided arrangement we have with News. Billy Slater for example is on say 500k per season, and lets say he gets third party agreements from Suzuki. where his commitment for that is the advertising he does on TV, but thats all he can do, any other opportunity would be scrutinised by the salary cap auditor. Billy has a 10- 12 year life span in our game, why can he not milk it for all he is worth while the advertisers want him. Billy would be worth 5 million a year to News, and I am shooting low on that figure, so where is the parity in that.......I believe it is called restriction of trade.

Please everyone, by all means vent your spline, but be aware of the kids around you.
If the suggestion of unlimited club-assisted sponsorship comes in then it'll advantage teams that can rake in higher value sponsors. They can sign up the best players and best prospects using a higher percentage of sponsor dollars and less of their own money. As the rules currently stand the competition would then quickly become lopsided with the Roosters, Souths, Brisbane, Gold Coast all at the top and Canberra, Newcastle, Cowboys and like at the bottom. In fact as the rules stand, adding in unlimited sponsorship, Thurston could sign with a team for minimum wage and top up with $800k of sponsors, with only the $55k counting to the cap.

If the NRL relaxes sponsorship rules too far, they'll have to bring in further rules to ensure at least a semblance of spreading talent across the competition. Rules like salary levelling (e.g. international can't have salary less than $300k, SOO player can't have salary less than $200k) and junior base protection. We are already pillaged by every other club and have to fight to keep Haynes and Caylesses and future Haynes and Caylesses, how would we feel if we couldn't even fight to keep these players because a Roosters can come in and promise them a $1m sponsorship deal from a huge Sydney business but we can't match them because that sponsor will only pay them if they play for the Roosters?

In all honesty, I can't see them deciding to make a change, and even if they did I don't think anyone at the NRL is smart enough to make the correct changes.

That said I agree with you partially on abusing the Storm players. The heckling shouldn't have to do anything with them cheating us last year, it should just have to do with the fact they wear a jersey which isn't Parra's and therefore should be justly booed and jeered when they make a mistake... all part of football
 
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Well Mark, I do not get precious, your comment on Ray was inane. Ray's and my opinion on the Storm differ to a degree, but when I rang Ray after the article, what he said about the reporter cannot be repeated on this forum. Ozzie's opinion is solely directed by a "duty of care"as it should be, and my thoughts earlier are what I believe, and is that you are directing your anger towards the wrong people, don't attack the players, let News and the NRL know what you think, as the game will be televised. Our fans can vent their spline intelligently and with respect to the other supporters around them and more importantly their kids.

Mark on the millions taken out of our game, and the apparent millions he put in, well no one asked him to put anything in,or stick his head in our game, no one asked him to break legal contracts, and why is our club paying back the the money he put in from day one. We can banter all night Mark about this, but to get to how it relates to Friday night, our fans are going to attack the Storm players when they run out.....they are attacking the wrong people. It is a TV game so don't waste the opportunity, tell Rupert what you think, let him see your protest on TV.
Rupert did not become this successful by not knowing what was going on in his companies.

If you think I am upset at Ray then you are completely of the mark. Which as I have told you personally happens more often then not I am sorry to say. You seem to read personal hatred into my posts where none exists, I am as I have said again and again pointed out that the article quoting Ray in effect means the club is sending mixed messages in light of the letter from Ozzy.

If Ray was upset about the article, here is a tip don't answer the phone. If I am not mistaken it is the same Jurno who use to have Fitzy "throw him a bone" during the Summer and wrote the infamous article that contained the "Wont be here in 5 years quote". It is a simple answer, no comment.

Our fans will be stressing their disdain for the club as a whole, those that administered it and those that currently represent it. I don't know what I will be doing, most probably the same as normal, Putting on my Sports Ears and listening to the ref and the call.

You want to get the message through to News, here is a tip we had a chance at the start of the year in speaking with the NSWRL AGM, and hearing what they had to say about the IC, what happened, we no one from our club turned up, Not one elected official of either the football club or the leagues club went, so if we are reduced to people power to get our message across then we have lost an opportunity. If you want to get the message across ensure that Ozzy is speaking with Gallop and Carr about the IC and how it is progressing.
 
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Joey I will give you an example of the lop sided arrangement we have with News. Billy Slater for example is on say 500k per season, and lets say he gets third party agreements from Suzuki. where his commitment for that is the advertising he does on TV, but thats all he can do, any other opportunity would be scrutinised by the salary cap auditor. Billy has a 10- 12 year life span in our game, why can he not milk it for all he is worth while the advertisers want him. Billy would be worth 5 million a year to News, and I am shooting low on that figure, so where is the parity in that.......I believe it is called restriction of trade.

Yet if Billy signed a contact with Holden, Ford, Kia, Hyundai or any other car marque that wasn't sponsoring the club his personal endorsement could be unlimited. Don't blame the salary cap for the piss poor work of player agents.
 

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Joey I will give you an example of the lop sided arrangement we have with News. Billy Slater for example is on say 500k per season, and lets say he gets third party agreements from Suzuki. where his commitment for that is the advertising he does on TV, but thats all he can do, any other opportunity would be scrutinised by the salary cap auditor. Billy has a 10- 12 year life span in our game, why can he not milk it for all he is worth while the advertisers want him. Billy would be worth 5 million a year to News, and I am shooting low on that figure, so where is the parity in that.......I believe it is called restriction of trade.
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Still sounds like you are trying to justify the Melbourne cheating.

We all know why they did it. Doesn't make it right.
 

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But even if it is verbal, you have to remember the Petro incident a few years ago as well.

Our crowds home reputation is not the best in the league, but I don't know of this call for restraint will be that helpful considering Mr Price's call to play for the NRL 2009 trophy.

Friday night will be interesting.[/QUOT


Oh yes Mark, lets blame Ray Price......why don't you all point the bone at the NRL and News who own the Storm, who must of known something that was going on, particularly with the network of companies registered to the parent, I think his name is Rupert, so vent your anger at this mob who still have our game wallowing around in this ludicrous position of a team that cannot register any competition points for a win against any club, but can come out on a weekly basis and physically flog a team, thus taking away their chance to make the semi's and increasing the chance of serious injury to their star players.

The Storm players are not to blame here. No player at any club knows, or wants to know what their team mates are on, it is an unwritten law, and you do not ask. Of course we all know ball park figures of what they are worth, but thats where it ends. What you are all talking about doing for tomorrow nights game is wrong, this is not the players fault, and there is a couple of blokes in that side who bleed for this club. Players get a very limited window of opportunity during their life to make a quid out of doing what they love, and everyone of you on this site would be doing the exact same thing if you had the opportunity to earn a quid out of doing what you love.

Once any player finishes his NRL career, he leaves with a body ruined for the remainder of their life, leaving them with limited choices of what they can enter into career wise. A very small percentage of players after retirement can remain in the game, or get into the media side of our sport, with a massive and very frightening percentage getting into financial difficultly within the first 10 years of post football. Don't blame the players of the NRL as this is not their doing, and in particular don't blame the players of the Storm, get stuck into the mob running the game and who put us in this situation, not the players. How many great players have we lost overseas and to other codes, and we keep getting the line that the game is bigger than one player, well that does not wash anymore, and the mob running our game needs a tune up, and that happens to be the same mob who own the Storm.

Mark see if you can get the figures on what Rupert has made out of our game through pay TV since the Super League war and what he has put back into the game. Good luck mate, not one person I have asked has had any luck getting their hands on those figures....why is that.

Melbourne players should keep their premierships and their rings, not only because they deserve them, but for the history books of our game. Hang, draw and quarter the dopes who had full knowledge, and start at the top. Our players do not want the premiership handed to them, they want to win it on the field, and we blew our chances in the grand final last year, and we could have won that game, we knew who we were playing, and in a grand final you always want to beat the best in the game, and we could have, but we did not, Storm were too good on the night, and their players and coaches deserve the premiership. Melbourne have directors suing owners and the NRL, does that not ring alarm bells.....don't hang this on the players, each and everyone of them are doing their best for themselves and their families, and everyone of you on this site have had a smile on your face at some stage over the years watching the Storm play sensational football.

You have a right to register your protest, just make sure you point the bone in the right direction.

Sevens.

:clap::clap::clap: Well said Terry. Because I have learnt how the real mechanics of the establishment come together to control society, the powers that be pull the strings of their marionettes who perform at arms length on their behalf. Many men and women, and there are billions globally, know something is wrong but can't seem to put their finger on what it is. They know there is a powerful cabal of men and women who control governments, private corporations, political parties, banks, insurance, companies etc. Our Rugby League, particularly the NRL is completely controlled by this brotherhood/sisterhood of men and women whose allegiance to their order excludes the best interests of the players, fans and most of the labourers who work, free or not, for the game they love so much. Fox is controlled by this cabal which Rupert is part of.

Look at America. the U.S.A. has had over 200 years of elections, parties coming and going, coming and going and coming and going, new policies and promises coming and going, coming and going and coming and going, but the situation for most men and women just gets worse and worse. We could say the same for Australia. Until we all get together and chuck the whole corrupt system in the bin, men and women will continue to be lied to and done over. The grass roots of Rugby League is the working class and this heart and soul of Rugby League needs to rise up and and take back THEIR game from the greedy, selfish, tiny few, who want all the power and control of the world for their own glory. Things are not what they seem.

Extracts From JFK Speech on Secret Societies
And Freedom of the Press


Links to the video and full text are at the bottom of this posting.

The President and the Press: Address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association
President John F. Kennedy
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel
New York City, April 27, 1961


The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions.

Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

But I do ask every publisher, every editor, and every newsman in the nation to reexamine his own standards, and to recognize the nature of our country's peril. In time of war, the government and the press have customarily joined in an effort based largely on self-discipline, to prevent unauthorized disclosures to the enemy. In time of "clear and present danger," the courts have held that even the privileged rights of the First Amendment must yield to the public's need for national security.

Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.

If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.

It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.

Nevertheless, every democracy recognizes the necessary restraints of national security--and the question remains whether those restraints need to be more strictly observed if we are to oppose this kind of attack as well as outright invasion.

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and everyone of you on this site have had a smile on your face at some stage over the years watching the Storm play sensational football.

I hated their dull, grindy style of play long before it was revealed they were cheating the cap.

f**king grapple tackles, holding down, high percentage, low risk football with all their tries scored either through weight of possession or flashes of brilliance from Slater and Inglis.

It's been terrible football to watch and if the NRL is guilty of anything it's hanging onto outdated rules that reward possession and punish risk.

The Storm are boring to watch for everybody bar their fans. St George is heading down the same path.
 
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