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Weight loss & cardio advice?

bileduct

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They're very high in fat, around 50% for most of them so I wouldn't reccommend them. I tend to scoff them though but if you can eat just a handful then go for it. Fruit would be better.
Depends on what type of fruit it is. Strawberries, peaches, watermelon, rockmelon are all great because they are fairly low in sugar. Bananas, mangos, grapes and cherries, on the other hand, are very high.

The best choice is berries. Blueberries, raspberries, strawberries, blackberries are all perfect for snacking. But that doesn't mean go overboard.

Nuts shouldn't be avoided, as although they are high in fat they have some very nutritious properties and decrease your overall hunger. The fat in nuts also isn't absorbed by the body as efficiently as other fats and passes straight through your digestive system. There's nothing wrong with having a small handful of almonds every day.
 

Snoochies

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Pfft, who'd watch womens tennis.

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Danish

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Depends on what type of fruit it is. Strawberries, peaches, watermelon, rockmelon are all great because they are fairly low in sugar. Bananas, mangos, grapes and cherries, on the other hand, are very high.

The best choice is berries. Blueberries, raspberries, strawberries, blackberries are all perfect for snacking. But that doesn't mean go overboard.

Nuts shouldn't be avoided, as although they are high in fat they have some very nutritious properties and decrease your overall hunger. The fat in nuts also isn't absorbed by the body as efficiently as other fats and passes straight through your digestive system. There's nothing wrong with having a small handful of almonds every day.


Yep, berries are the best fruits. Bananas are tops before or after a long cardio session as well.

the other fruits aren't great for snacking though IMO. Veggies are where it is at. Cherry tomatoes are just as nice tasting as grapes in my books, with a fraction of the sugar. Capsicum, cucumber, carrots all also top snacking foods.
 

adamkungl

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Thanks heaps for all the advice.

Ive banned myself from fizzy drinks, chips & chocolate. I drank a shitload of water yesterday & I felt I wasn't as hungry as normal, which was helpful. If I were to buy snack food, would things like unsalted cashews or sultanas be a good option?

Honestly, best thing to do is track your calories. Eat whatever you want as long as it's under your limit, you'll quickly learn what's good and what's bad. A bit of research goes a long way.

It's boring and pedantic, but after a few weeks you start to know off by heart how many calories are in 95% of the things you regularly eat, and can get away with estimating from there.

Use a website (such as the one I linked earlier) to calculate your metabolic rate, and eat 20% or 250-500cal less than that every day.

I do that and I still eat burgers, pasta, curries, whatever, as long as i'm sensible throughout the rest of the day.
 
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Thanks heaps for all the advice.

Ive banned myself from fizzy drinks, chips & chocolate. I drank a shitload of water yesterday & I felt I wasn't as hungry as normal, which was helpful. If I were to buy snack food, would things like unsalted cashews or sultanas be a good option?


Cashews and Almonds are good for you to snack on

You can join My Fitness pal. Its good for tracking what you eat and calories and its not bad for support either.


I'll add , Ive lost nearly 30kg by changing my diet. I have picked up my exercise but the bulk was lost just changing what I eat.
 
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Thomas

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Yep, berries are the best fruits. Bananas are tops before or after a long cardio session as well.

the other fruits aren't great for snacking though IMO. Veggies are where it is at. Cherry tomatoes are just as nice tasting as grapes in my books, with a fraction of the sugar. Capsicum, cucumber, carrots all also top snacking foods.

Vegies! YEAH! I chop up a couple of capsicums, some broccoli, tomatoes and raw cauliflower and snack on that during the day. Sometimes dab them with a little bit of jalapeño Tabasco sauce (the green bottle). They make a great snack.

Basically the key is to develop exercising habits. Walk the stairs instead of escalators. Set aside an hour of your day for your exercise and let nothing stand in your way.
 

Rebel

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I rotate my workouts. 100% cardio one day, 50% cardio 50% weights the next time.
Means I can focus on losing weight which is the main goal, whilst forcing the weight to come from fat, not muscle.

Its working ok so far.
 

Thomas

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I strictly don't do any straight cardio on gym days. The only cardio I might do is at the end of a session when I'll do 5 rounds of conditioning exercises.
 
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I lost 15 kg's toward the end of last year purely through calorie counting and cardio. I wasn't massively overweight to begin with. I weighed about 98 kg's when my ideal weight is about 80.

Found a free iphone ap called "my fitness pal" which is a reasonably accurate calorie counter. It helped me a lot as it sets boundaries for how many calories you should consume and helps you track, but it also takes exercise into account so you aren't starving yourself. Also used the nike+ ap to help me keep track of my running.

Training schedule went like this-

Treadmill twice a week, running outdoors twice a week.

Treadmill, 40 minutes starting at 8.5 km / hour. Leave it there for as long as I could and then move it back to 6.5 (a brisk walk for me) when I ran out of puff. Once I'd get my breath back I'd turn it up again. Last two minutes I would turn it up to 12 and try to hold til the end.When I started I was doing about 4 km's in the 40 minute work out, within a few months I was at the point where I could run at 9.5km / hr for the full 40 or 9.0 km for 38 and finish with a stint of 2 minutes at 12 km / hr. Nowadays I'm over the 7km for 40 minutes mark.

Outdoors, I started off with two runs of around 4km's per week. Of course when you first start, you just try to pace yourself and run as far as you can until you run out of puff. Then you walk until you can run again. Next time you go, you try to go a little further before that first break while trying to have fewer breaks in total. Within about a month I could run the 4k's non stop. Now I run 4km's once per week and then have a longer run of 8km's once per week outdoors.

When I started out, I was running / walking about 16km's per week. Now I do about 26km's per week.

On top of that, I have my regular indoor cricket and oztag happening, but I have played both of these now for several years anyway and they had no effect on my weight. If anything, they are detrimental because I regularly pick up injuries that stop me from running.

If you are going to embark on something like this, make sure you have good running shoes, first and foremost. When I first started I was wearing an old banged up pair and was getting back pain and headaches. Upgraded my shoes and that all went away.

Drink PLENTY of water. It's amazing how many calories are in soft drink and fruit juice and think about your snacks. There are some great snack foods out there that taste great but aren't absolutely loaded with calories. One of my favourites are the Berry Weiss bars. Taste fantastic, but only have about 100 calories. Really good way to treat yourself at the end of a day after a long run.

Also, I don't subscribe to the no carb theory. Bread and rice is ok if it's brown and in moderation. Rice in particular makes you feel quite full with only a small amount. Stir fries are a great way to lose weight imo. Something like a honey soy chicken is dead easy to make. Load it with vegies and make the sauce yourself because the pre made stuff is generally loaded with salt (and sugar as well sometimes) and you have a fast meal that will fill you up and isn't full of calories.

Keep the ingredients around and knowing that you can whip something like this up in 10 minutes will reduce the risk of you wanting to get takeaway. Great meal to cook when you think you can't be arsed cooking.

The most important thing imo is that you don't try to starve yourself and lose 10 kilo's in the first week. Losing weight should be treated as a gradual process I aimed to lose somewhere like half a kilo to a kilo / week. Any more than that and you are probably starving yourself / doing something unsustainable.

It's not an easy thing to do by any stretch, but if you can do it, you will feel fantastic about yourself.

Good luck.
 

miccle

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f**k off all bread, pasta, etc, and get on the brown rice.

Perfect advice, but I've gone off the rice as well. Wraps for lunch, lean meat and vegetables for dinner.

As for the initial poster, I was pretty unfit when I started my regime three months ago and was just looking to lose weight. I didn't touch any lifting and concentrated on at least 45 mins of cardio, 5-6 days per week. Changed the diet and lost 10kg, at pretty much one kg per week.

You'll plateau after a while of that though - I've recently gone back onto the strength training again and have increased the intensity and dropped time with the cardio. 20-30 minutes of intervals on either the treadmill, rower, bike or eliptical followed by 20-30 minutes of a weights circuit. It's starting to get the scales moving down again, but at the point I'm at it's all about feeling good than looking much better.

All the best with it - just keep focused and you'll get there.
 

Pete Cash

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Which is why I said lifting weights has its own benefits in gaining strength and definition.

The athletes who have to maintain the lowest body fat percentage they can generally don't lift much if at all (tennis players, distance runners etc). The obvious exception being boxers who must lift to maintain their strength although none of them worry about muscle size as such, just power... unless they are trying to gain weight to move up a division.

Hmm

http://www.exrx.net/FatLoss/HIITvsET.html

this here suggests that anaerobic workouts are more effective than aerobic. Aerobic workouts are good for the heart though.

Not that weight lifting is the only anaerobic workout in the world. The article used sprinting but high impact explosive training seems to be very effective.

Obviously diet is the most important thing.
 

Danish

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How does a study comparing 2 different types of running training and their effects on fat loss counter my point that running is far superior to weights in lossing fat?

Distance runners and tennis players would complete sprint exercises that would make your average league player vomit all over their shoes. Most elite marathoners can hold a faster pace for 42km straight than an NRL player could hold for 2-3km
 

Pete Cash

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But he's not an elite marathon runner. The best thing he can do is watch what he eats and lift weights. Running at even a moderate pace is hardly effective.

You have been using anecdotal evidence based on elite athletes. Well I train every day at the gym and I can assure you the fattest people are the ones jogging on a treadmill.

Besides that at the end of the day its about looking good and being healthy. So mixing both cardio for health and resistance training for looks is important. Of course neither is important as eating right. I just did a cut and lost some kilos without dropping much if at all muscle and the only cardio I do is walking to the fridge to get a steak.

Worry about diet and pick up a weight. Best advice.
 

Danish

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Thats because no one who actually runs does so on a f**king treadmill. Thats left to fat merkins who are so lazy they can't even be bothered to do the most basic of exercise and just have a gym membership to keep up appearances.

Tell you what, lets take the average body fat % of those that run 4-5 days per week against those that lift weights the same amount and see who comes out on top. Better yet lets take the same test on the people in the red group of the city2surf (5:00/km runners) against someone who can bench 120% of their bodyweight and see which group has less fatties in it. The red group is far from elite and every idiot I know that goes to the gym regularly seems to be able to bench 100+kg so the 2 groups are pretty comparible.

Diet and a good running program will far outperform diet and lifting weights everyday of the week when aiming to burn fat. Weights are only necessary if you want to put on size or to tone your upper body (providing you work up to some sprint/hill work your legs will get all the tone they need).
 

Danish

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While I do not agree that a 120% bodyweight bench is an advanced lift, reduce it to 100% then and the point still stands.

Good runners are on average carrying less weight thant good lifters, and yes you nailed the exact reason why as so many idiots that decide they are going to start going to the gym for some reason decide they need to start ingesting ridiculous amounts of protein and wind up eating for more than they actually need to and packing on weight. And what do they do to cut? Add some running
 

Pete Cash

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Most people aren't after a body weight bench. I reckon the average I see men benching is between 60 to 100 kilos.

At the end of the day nobody cares how much I can deadlift especially if I need to get fat to do so. Most people who go to the gym don't want to be powerlifters. This forum is pretty biased towards jamming lots of protein rich food into your face and doing low volume compund lifts. This kind of lifting will eventually require a surplus in calories to continue seeing strength gains. Especially if they intend on squatting three days a week.

Now if a dude did a balanced lifting routine with more volume and less focus on his 1rm while eating properly but still bringing intensity to the gym they are going to start looking pretty good in a year or so. There are a couple of ways to skin a cat. Lean muscle mass is hugely important in being fit.

Besides carrying fat is neither here nor there. Its about body fat percentage. Make like the US after world war 2 and grow your economy to shrink the debt to GDP ratio rather than cutting spending. Especially if a person isn't obese. So to speak.
 

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