Welcome to the comp, Redcliffe.

[greenBV4]

Afl have suburban teams in Melbourne

Only in name, all of the clubs play in centralised cbd stadiums

 

[The Great Dane]

Afl have suburban teams in Melbourne

they don’t have them in Sydney bc the sport isn’t popular enough

indeed theisn’t enough support for a second afl side

with the raiders struggling for 20 years and the afl not wanting to put a team there I would suggest it’s the raiders who are holding the game back not the Sydney clubs

I'd suggest that you've still failed to actually address a single one of my points. It's really pathetic actually.

BTW, for all their faults the Raiders are one of the better run teams in the league, especially over the last 20 years. It's more likely than not that your club would have folded in the last 20 years without intervention, so I don't know how you define struggling, but it's a strange definition.

 

[Pippen94]

Anything 5 kms out of the CBD of a major capital city is a regional.

So 3 team comp it is.

its a suburban league dont u know

 

[Pippen94]

Only in name, all of the clubs play in centralised cbd stadiums

u have issues with suburbs

 

[Pippen94]

The AFL wouldn't play games in the suburban markets in Sydney even if they paid. Shit, Blacktown built them a whole stadium and the AFL went out of their way to make sure that GWS never used it.

I wanna point out that you haven't addressed a single one of my points.

Gws moved from blacktpwn coz there's no support there. All sporting leagues would love clubs as rich & strong as Penrith or the sharks. They don't in Sydney so have to cast a wider net. Superleague failed coz a league without teams in sydney is nothing. U have a harder time getting out of the 90's than Kurt Cobain

 

[Wb1234]

Only in name, all of the clubs play in centralised cbd stadiums

Yet they don’t merge the weaker ones

their identity must mean something I guess

all their training grounds must be centralised too

 

[mongoose]

Gws moved from blacktpwn coz there's no support there. All sporting leagues would love clubs as rich & strong as Penrith or the sharks. They don't in Sydney so have to cast a wider net. Superleague failed coz a league without teams in sydney is nothing. U have a harder time getting out of the 90's than Kurt Cobain

nice revisionist history - super league failed and I suppose the ARL was booming?

 

[Pippen94]

nice revisionist history - super league failed and I suppose the ARL was booming?

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Murchdoch needed all those clubs u hate

 

[Wb1234]

nice revisionist history - super league failed and I suppose the ARL was booming?

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We had the 97 grand final and the 95 origin

the super league grand final was a joke and as good as the tri series final was including nz in origin was a joke

moral victory for the good guys

 

[docbrown]

Get out of the whole metro vs regional mindset. Some of the biggest sporting brands in Australia are actually so called suburban teams. If I were to rate the leagues’ clubs by their brand maximisation I’d say:

Broncos, Rabbitohs, Dragons, Eels, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Richmond - multi state brands - older clubs that dominated their original areas, with supporters who have spread geographically and also gained new fans due to large existing support base size or periods of success. And before you go wtf are the Dragons doing here? Yep, I get your confusion but those guys are everywhere.

Tigers, Bulldogs, Essendon, Carlton - multi state brands - a run below the top brands due to poorer recent performances, old heritage clubs whose supporters have spread out

Dolphins - state brand - but will become a multi state brand in time

Cowboys, West Coast, Dockers, Power, Crows - state brands - expansion clubs in home code states but nobody elsewhere cares (except for a small amount of expats) because they’re smaller states and newish clubs

Warriors - somewhere in between the categories either side - a city brand with niche national support - whose popularity fluctuates based on on-field success - however you can argue they’re now bigger than the Blues and definitely Moana making them the number one Auckland sports team

Panthers, Roosters - state brands - were city enclave brands previously but have grown their appeal across the state as their success has continued

Tasmanian Fumblers - a state team with a smaller population than regional NRL teams but hey it’s a state so the AFL fans can wank over it

Raiders, Knights, Titans, Geelong, Brumbies - regional areas - these clubs represent regional areas but often representing populations exceeding the enclaved city clubs

Storm, Lions, Swans, Force - part of a city brand that says that they’re state brands but not really even whole city brands - they’ll get bandwagon support but they’re expansion clubs by outsider codes that get their support from niche groups or specific suburbs

Sharks, Sea Eagles, Reds, Waratahs, North Melbourne, St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Demons - part of a city brand - usually older heritage clubs mostly that are still stuck mostly in their enclaves and when they’ve had success it has done little to grow their support outside of those areas

Suns, GWS, Rebels - hopium failing/failed brands - expansion brands that claim to represent large cities but in fact no one gives a shit about.

 

[Pippen94]

Get out of the whole metro vs regional mindset. Some of the biggest sporting brands in Australia are actually so called suburban teams. If I were to rate the leagues’ clubs by their brand maximisation I’d say:

Broncos, Rabbitohs, Dragons, Eels, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Richmond - multi state brands - older clubs that dominated their original areas, with supporters who have spread geographically and also gained new fans due to large existing support base size or periods of success. And before you go wtf are the Dragons doing here? Yep, I get your confusion but those guys are everywhere.

Tigers, Bulldogs, Richmond, Essendon, Carlton - multi state brands - a run below the top brands due to poorer recent performances, old heritage clubs whose supporters have spread out

Dolphins - state brand - but will become a multi state brand in time

Cowboys, West Coast, Dockers, Power, Crows - state brands - expansion clubs in home code states but nobody elsewhere cares (except for a small amount of expats) because they’re smaller states and newish clubs

Warriors - somewhere in between the categories either side - a city brand with niche national support - whose popularity fluctuates based on on-field success - however you can argue they’re now bigger than the Blues and definitely Moana making them the number one Auckland sports team

Panthers, Roosters - state brands - were city enclave brands previously but have grown their appeal across the state as their success has continued

Raiders, Knights, Titans, Geelong, Brumbies - regional areas - these clubs represent regional areas but often representing populations exceeding the enclaved city clubs

Storm, Lions, Swans, Force - part of a city brand that says that they’re state brands but not really even whole city brands - they’ll get bandwagon support but they’re expansion clubs by outsider codes that get their support from niche groups or specific suburbs

Sharks, Sea Eagles, Reds, Waratahs, North Melbourne, St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Demons - part of a city brand - usually older heritage clubs mostly that are still stuck mostly in their enclaves and when they’ve had success it has done little to grow their support outside of those areas

Suns, GWS, Rebels - hopium failing/failed brands - expansion brands that claim to represent large cities but in fact no one gives a shit about.

..yeah but how many ppl in Sydney support knights or raiders or cowboys?!
Advertisers want biggest audience particularly in biggest market.
Sydney & Brisbane clubs provide this

 

[Pippen94]

We had the 97 grand final and the 95 origin

the super league grand final was a joke and as good as the tri series final was including nz in origin was a joke

moral victory for the good guys

Yep, manly Newcastle game was blockbuster & probably outraged superleague game. Murdoch missing those sydney subscribers too

 

[Perth Red]

..yeah but how many ppl in Sydney support knights or raiders or cowboys?!
Advertisers want biggest audience particularly in biggest market.
Sydney & Brisbane clubs provide this

Your making a great case for the introduction of perth and Adelaide lol

 

[greenBV4]

Yet they don’t merge the weaker ones

their identity must mean something I guess

all their training grounds must be centralised too

Relocations work better than mergers, which they did do, look how well mergers worked for us..

They kind of are, there's 3 in the Olympic parks precinct

 

[Wb1234]

Relocations work better than mergers, which they did do, look how well mergers worked for us..

They kind of are, there's 3 in the Olympic parks precinct

All those Melbourne teams are from adjoining suburbs anyway

 

[Perth Red]

All those Melbourne teams are from adjoining suburbs anyway

They must be massive suburbs to be getting 50k fans attending, oh hang on

 

[Wb1234]

They must be massive suburbs to be getting 50k fans attending, oh hang on

Then why don’t they get red of their suburban names

just be inner suburban Melbourne one
Inner suburban Melbourne two etc

south’s gets fans from all over Sydney as do the other Sydney clubs but they get most of their fans from their region

 

[Perth Red]

Then why don’t they get red of their suburban names

just be inner suburban Melbourne one
Inner suburban Melbourne two etc

south’s gets fans from all over Sydney as do the other Sydney clubs but they get most of their fans from their region

I thought souths produced some stats that showed they had more members in Western sydney than in Redfern? Smart clubs realised a long time ago that limiting your reach to a small population area is not a great business model.

‘Carlton has a population of 19k and a membership of 90k. You don’t need to change your name, just your model.

 

[Wb1234]

I thought souths produced some stats that showed they had more members in Western sydney than in Redfern? Smart clubs realised a long time ago that limiting your reach to a small population area is not a great business model.

‘Carlton has a population of 19k and a membership of 90k. You don’t need to change your name, just your model.

That’s why south’s are desperate to move back to allianz to be closer to their region, training base and their leagues club

 

[Perth Red]

That’s why south’s are desperate to move back to allianz to be closer to their region, training base and their leagues club

Nothing to do with a superior stadium nearer the corporate market with far superior revenue raising facilities?
im sure moving closer to the 13k people in redfern is a key motivator lol