Welcome to the comp, Redcliffe.

[Perth Red]

What has fumbleball’s stadium setup in Melbourne got to do with Redcliffe?

About as much as HKR and HFC stadium choices, welcome to LU expansion forum!

 

[The Great Dane]

Apples and oranges. The two fanbases in hull are very clearly split by the river. you yourself have said nrl clubs fans are spread all over sydney.

Kogorah to allianz, Cronulla to allianz, manly to allianz, belmore to allianz, leichardt to commbank. How many of those are 64kms away? You are prone to exaggeration lol

The Robins own Craven Park now don't they?

I don't think many people would begrudge the Sydney sides if they were all playing out of their own privately owned and funded stadiums like KR, or Cronulla for that matter, but that's not what is happening in Sydney for the most part.

 

[Llangennech]

drop a Sydney team and have both imo.

drop the Sharks and Sea Eagles, they'll still have NRLW and NSW Cup sides to support. Move The Tigers to Brizzy. Bring in The Bears, who play in Perth.

 

[The Great Dane]

drop the Sharks and Sea Eagles, they'll still have NRLW and NSW Cup sides to support. Move The Tigers to Brizzy. Bring in The Bears, who play in Perth.

What would that achieve exactly?

 

[MugaB]

What would that achieve exactly?

Lost brands for starters, and increased hate that would last for 40 +years, in both northern beaches and southerland.
the game is heading down a tv path where is really doesn't matter where the teams are based as much, as long as they are competetive and relevant, ditching 2-3 sydney clubs doesn't increase participation or expand the comp, it only detracts opportunity for more rookies to get a 1st grade spot, if you want a team in brisbane then create another one, if you want one in perth =create one, with a good club setup, there's no reason that the player pool would be shorten, Melbourne storm have been the prime example of juniors coming thru in a non heartland area, scouting from elsewhere, perth can do the same.

 

[Pippen94]

The Robins own Craven Park now don't they?

I don't think many people would begrudge the Sydney sides if they were all playing out of their own privately owned and funded stadiums like KR, or Cronulla for that matter, but that's not what is happening in Sydney for the most part.

Yeah, ppl here say sharks should be axed every day lol

 

[Llangennech]

Lost brands for starters, and increased hate that would last for 40 +years, in both northern beaches and southerland.
the game is heading down a tv path where is really doesn't matter where the teams are based as much, as long as they are competetive and relevant, ditching 2-3 sydney clubs doesn't increase participation or expand the comp, it only detracts opportunity for more rookies to get a 1st grade spot, if you want a team in brisbane then create another one, if you want one in perth =create one, with a good club setup, there's no reason that the player pool would be shorten, Melbourne storm have been the prime example of juniors coming thru in a non heartland area, scouting from elsewhere, perth can do the same.

If that's what most want then have 2 divisions; and NRL Division 1 and a Division 2. 10 teams in each. Bring in the Bears, Firehawks and Jets. 18 matches in both leagues, home and away, FPTP system to win the JJ Giltinan Shield. Magic weekend becomes a Nines Tournament. Top 8 from Div. 1 go onto play for the Provan-Summons Trophy on the first Sunday of October, 4pm kick-off. 1 v 8, 2 v 7 etc. played over 2 legs. Winners go into a 1 leg semi-final. 2 week break until the Grand Final for the Provan-Summons Trophy. Bottom team in Div.1 gets relegated, winner of Div.2 gets promoted. NRL Div.1 gets more TV money and all their matches are televised.

 

[Pippen94]

If that's what most want then have 2 divisions; and NRL Division 1 and a Division 2. 10 teams in each. Bring in the Bears, Firehawks and Jets. 18 matches in both leagues, home and away, FPTP system to win the JJ Giltinan Shield. Magic weekend becomes a Nines Tournament. Top 8 from Div. 1 go onto play for the Provan-Summons Trophy on the first Sunday of October, 4pm kick-off. 1 v 8, 2 v 7 etc. played over 2 legs. Winners go into a 1 leg semi-final. 2 week break until the Grand Final for the Provan-Summons Trophy. Bottom team in Div.1 gets relegated, winner of Div.2 gets promoted. NRL Div.1 gets more TV money and all their matches are televised.

Why?

 

[Llangennech]

Why?

Because there isn't enough quality to go around 18 teams IMO. If you have an NRL, and then an NRL 2, that solves the problem.

 

[MugaB]

Because there isn't enough quality to go around 18 teams IMO. If you have an NRL, and then an NRL 2, that solves the problem.

There's plenty of quality in every team, some have more than others, this season has disproven this dumbass myth that there isn't enough, what there isnt enough of is 1st grade spots for rookies to own, which was what the dolphins has proven with Sean O'Sullivan and Isaiah Katoa, if there was no expansion they remain behind Nathan Cleary and Jerome Luai, every club has a few star halves, that aren't getting a run, Luke metcalf at the warriors, multiple halves in the broncos system..
We can sustain 20 teams easy, its veiwed as low quality games, when certian clubs who are blooding a few rookies at the same time are losing week to week.. bulldogs, dragons, and tigers are in this boat right now.. come 2 more seasons, these squads become a force, but they will never get there if the are in a lesser comp and sitting below 1st grade...
To be the best you need to play the best...
Less teams will only make us look like Rugby Union
Thats not sustainable, the players all need exposure to 1st grade to become elite

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Yeh 80k members and 50k crowds, some loss!
you’ve made your point yourself some Sydney clubs have fans all over the city,Mehta they dont have is a stadium central to all those city wide fans, so they continue to only attract the ones near there traditional base/stadium And be stuck in outdated and inadequate stadia.

This is a statement from an afl living 4000kms away.

You don't know shit. In fact shit is more knowledgeable than you.

 

[Pippen94]

Because there isn't enough quality to go around 18 teams IMO. If you have an NRL, and then an NRL 2, that solves the problem.

U know this season has been one of the most exciting in years even with new team?!

 

[Llangennech]

U know this season has been one of the most exciting in years even with new team?!

I believe the main reason for the increase in TV viewership and attendances has been due to the law changes, 6 again and trying to have more ball in play time by having fewer scrums. A clamp down on players feigning injuries to have rest time. So they're administrative reason why. I think having the Broncos back as one of the best sides has also helped. I'm thinking long term, hopefully in a few years we'll have 12 in the NRL Div.1. With still 10 in NRL 2. Due to more ppl playing RL around the world.

 

[MugaB]

I believe the main reason for the increase in TV viewership and attendances has been due to the law changes, 6 again and trying to have more ball in play time by having fewer scrums. A clamp down on players feigning injuries to have rest time. So they're administrative reason why. I think having the Broncos back as one of the best sides has also helped. I'm thinking long term, hopefully in a few years we'll have 12 in the NRL Div.1. With still 10 in NRL 2. Due to more ppl playing RL around the world.

Nobody is doing divisions, conferences yes, divisions NO, the fact youre trying to mould some outdated idea to the NRL is laughable, we already have divisions, from 1st grade then to nsw/qld cup, only difference is the players move up, not a full club...
Can you imagine a few years back that bronx wooden spooners dropped a division for being shit, the comp would suffer tremendously... im getting pretty sick of educating foreigners that Australia cannot have P&R as the money doesn't flow like it does in the EPL, dropping a sydney team or any team, does nothing for the competition, in fact it worsens it, because you need to replace that side with a club that can produce results and interest straight away, and doesn't have the benifit of having over 70 years in top flight, experienced clubs, history and branding, you chop and change that at will and the house of cards comes crumbling down.. broadcasters pay for content, taking teams away lessens that... your player pool argument doesn't stick, its roster management that bends a team in the right direction, a great example is roosters on paper should be top of the ladder, but they're not

 

[Llangennech]

Nobody is doing divisions, conferences yes, divisions NO, the fact youre trying to mould some outdated idea to the NRL is laughable, we already have divisions, from 1st grade then to nsw/qld cup, only difference is the players move up, not a full club...
Can you imagine a few years back that bronx wooden spooners dropped a division for being shit, the comp would suffer tremendously... im getting pretty sick of educating foreigners that Australia cannot have P&R as the money doesn't flow like it does in the EPL, dropping a sydney team or any team, does nothing for the competition, in fact it worsens it, because you need to replace that side with a club that can produce results and interest straight away, and doesn't have the benifit of having over 70 years in top flight, experienced clubs, history and branding, you chop and change that at will and the house of cards comes crumbling down.. broadcasters pay for content, taking teams away lessens that... your player pool argument doesn't stick, its roster management that bends a team in the right direction, a great example is roosters on paper should be top of the ladder, but they're not

Chooks are still 5-5. You can't be good all the time. NRL 2 would still be televised. I'm in favour of licensing for the English league, most there seem to still want P&R. There wouldn't be relegation from NRL 2. There should be fewer NRL weekends, so more quality less quantity. With 2 divisions there still would be in effect 10 NRL matches most weekends during the Aussie winter.

 

[MugaB]

Chooks are still 5-5. You can't be good all the time. NRL 2 would still be televised. I'm in favour of licensing for the English league, most there seem to still want P&R. There wouldn't be relegation from NRL 2. There should be fewer NRL weekends, so more quality less quantity. With 2 divisions there still would be in effect 10 NRL matches most weekends during the Aussie winter.

The thread is named "welcome to the comp Redcliffe" not lets cull a few sides and throw around Superleague ideas that cant or moreso will never happen here in Australia, especially under this administration

 

[Wb1234]

The Robins own Craven Park now don't they?

I don't think many people would begrudge the Sydney sides if they were all playing out of their own privately owned and funded stadiums like KR, or Cronulla for that matter, but that's not what is happening in Sydney for the most part.

Yeh I’ve read so many posts about how Cronulla should stay at shark park lmao

council sold them (hull kr) back the ground and an acre of land around it on the cheap

 

[Wb1234]

Chooks are still 5-5. You can't be good all the time. NRL 2 would still be televised. I'm in favour of licensing for the English league, most there seem to still want P&R. There wouldn't be relegation from NRL 2. There should be fewer NRL weekends, so more quality less quantity. With 2 divisions there still would be in effect 10 NRL matches most weekends during the Aussie winter.

Maybe they can play rugby league in China

 

[The Great Dane]

Lost brands for starters, and increased hate that would last for 40 +years, in both northern beaches and southerland.
the game is heading down a tv path where is really doesn't matter where the teams are based as much, as long as they are competetive and relevant, ditching 2-3 sydney clubs doesn't increase participation or expand the comp, it only detracts opportunity for more rookies to get a 1st grade spot, if you want a team in brisbane then create another one, if you want one in perth =create one, with a good club setup, there's no reason that the player pool would be shorten, Melbourne storm have been the prime example of juniors coming thru in a non heartland area, scouting from elsewhere, perth can do the same.

He has a point that no competition can keep expanding indefinitely. Sooner or later the NRL will hit a point where it simply isn't sustainable anymore without a significant restructure of the competition, and probably the way the whole sport is administered from juniors up.

We're already approaching the point where we'll have to start considering e.g. conferences, divisions, maybe even an integrated pyramid with P&R, etc, otherwise the competition will become too ungainly.

 

[xe_kilroy]

English soccer for instance. There are ten million clubs so has to be divisions and relegation/promotion