Welcome to the comp, Redcliffe.

[Iamback]

Except they aren't Brisbane2 playing at Suncorp every game which is what the game were all crying out for for the last 25 years!
Lets be honest they got in as they have pokie revenue and they where the least challenging of the Broncos monopoly. Not because 'THE' is a good idea.

Is the support there for a Brisbane 2 though?

Again though you would be taking corporates from the Broncos. Isn't getting new investment better?

 

[Wb1234]

Is the support there for a Brisbane 2 though?

Again though you would be taking corporates from the Broncos. Isn't getting new investment better?

Dolphins already have more corporate support than some Sydney clubs

 

[Colk]

1995 rugby league average close to double that average crowd in Brisbane

and the population has grown by over a million since then

The average crowd was 64k?

 

[Iamback]

Dolphins already have more corporate support than some Sydney clubs

Yep and they will schedule their games to match that support, If that means less games at Suncorp then so be it

 

[Colk]

What is better a team with 70 years of history with $200m in the bank

Or some rich guy wanting a team with no history in the game putting the same amount in?

Why is everybody obsessed with this concept of plastic/non plastic entities? Firstly like any construct, it is relative. Go tell a Titans fan that they follow a plastic club.

Secondly, history is another relative concept. It has positives/negatives depending on one’s perception of that history. For example, their history might be important to their fans, or to the people who will follow them but it might also dissuade people following them particularly if they haven’t liked Redcliffe in the past/currently. You could also say the same of a club with no history - people mightn’t want to follow a side with no history but conversely others might see as something fresh with no stigma attached to it. Again all this stuff vis a vis history/plastic is completely relative.

The biggest thing with me a) they don’t have a geographical market so ergo what or whom are they representing and b) if most of their support isn’t coming from the metro area that will lead to that club playing at Suncorp less and less and representing Brisbane less and less. That surely is not the point of having a second Brisbane team.

 

[Iamback]

Why is everybody obsessed with this concept of plastic/non plastic entities? Firstly like any construct, it is relative. Go tell a Titans fan that they follow a plastic club.

Secondly, history is another relative concept. It has positives/negatives depending on one’s perception of that history. For example, their history might be important to their fans, or to the people who will follow them but it might also dissuade people following them particularly if they haven’t liked Redcliffe in the past/currently. You could also say the same of a club with no history - people mightn’t want to follow a side with no history but conversely others might see as something fresh with no stigma attached to it. Again all this stuff vis a vis history/plastic is completely relative.

The biggest thing with me a) they don’t have a geographical market so ergo what or whom are they representing and b) if most of their support isn’t coming from the metro area that will lead to that club playing at Suncorp less and less and representing Brisbane less and less. That surely is not the point of having a second Brisbane team.

If you are building a house

Do you go with someone with a proven history? Or someone with no history but can say they can do the same job?

Isn't the point to tap into the QLD market, which is being underused?

Should we tell these mining companies onboard due to link up with CQLD that the game only wants Brisbane money?

Does it matter where the money comes from or that it brings money in?

As for the last point, that will come. Finance will dictate that

 

[Wb1234]

The average crowd was 64k?

There was more than one Brisbane arl club in 95 lol

 

[Perth Red]

Is the support there for a Brisbane 2 though?

Again though you would be taking corporates from the Broncos. Isn't getting new investment better?

In a RL mad city of 2.5million with one team? Yeh Id think so.
Redcliffe havent attracted Moreton bay companies that I can see, any Brisbane2 company would be drawing from largely the bigger companies in Brisbane or nationals wanting a market share of Brisbane, Broncos are at corporate saturation so no they wouldn't be drawing from Broncos.

 

[Perth Red]

If you are building a house

Do you go with someone with a proven history? Or someone with no history but can say they can do the same job?
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NRL had already decided it didnt want a new entity, hence why the only bids were all from existing QRL clubs. I think we can discount Jets due to NRl's reliance on pokies so the argument, which is totally pointless given the decision has been made, is why pick a 'The' over a club that would have been a genuine Brisbane2 club (Firehawks)

 

[Iamback]

In a RL mad city of 2.5million with one team? Yeh Id think so.
Redcliffe havent attracted Moreton bay companies that I can see, any Brisbane2 company would be drawing from largely the bigger companies in Brisbane or nationals wanting a market share of Brisbane, Broncos are at corporate saturation so no they wouldn't be drawing from Broncos.

You live in Perth

I live in Sydney

The best ones to decide where is best for them is the people on the ground, There is nothing stopping them playing every home game in Suncorp if that is best financially. The same token if the Finances are better playing some home games elsewhere then they should do that

 

[Iamback]

NRL had already decided it didnt want a new entity, hence why the only bids were all from existing QRL clubs. I think we can discount Jets due to NRl's reliance on pokies so the argument, which is totally pointless given the decision has been made, is why pick a 'The' over a club that would have been a genuine Brisbane2 club (Firehawks)

Yes because how did GC work out?

The Jets would of been based on the outskirts of Brisbane too

 

[Perth Red]

Yes because how did GC work out?

The Jets would of been based on the outskirts of Brisbane too

? I just said Jets were a non starter due to no pokies, and what's GC got to do with it? The real debate was Brisbane Firehawks v 'The'.

 

[Colk]

If you are building a house

Do you go with someone with a proven history? Or someone with no history but can say they can do the same job?

Isn't the point to tap into the QLD market, which is being underused?

Should we tell these mining companies onboard due to link up with CQLD that the game only wants Brisbane money?

Does it matter where the money comes from or that it brings money in?

As for the last point, that will come. Finance will dictate that

It’s not a particularly apt analogy on many fronts - mainly because we are talking about a brand rather than a service- but again it depends on that history.

Using your analogy with regards to the first example over that time, I am presuming that person has provided unsatisfactory service to a number of people and they will no longer use him/her. Other people might not like him/her and won’t use their company.

You are also framing that example on the presumption that the second person has no experience at all. If you were to create an original franchise/brand, you would still have people with business acumen or people with RL experience guiding it. So for example (and I didn’t like) the Firehawks brand was a new entity backed by an existing club and guided by people with many years experience. If their branding was better they would have been a miles better choice.

The point was specifically another Brisbane side, not just a Queensland side. Money is great and good on them, they will be financially sustainable, but the point of this whole exercise was to have another Brisbane team. If the frames of reference were another QLD side then sure, but again what’s the point of saying let’s have another Brisbane side and not selecting a side that will be based in the Brisbane metro area? It’s oxymoronic.

Lastly, the competition will now be soon 17 sides. You won’t have a lot more room for new sides - you’d want to have more sides in NZ, Perth at the very least. So why not pick a side that meets the essential criteria rather than saying we can give another spot to a QLD side.

 

[Colk]

There was more than one Brisbane arl club in 95 lol

I know that. I was joking. The Crushers wouldn’t have averaged 32k though.

 

[Canard]

They haven't even kicked a ball yet, and somehow the Dolphins are being written off as a failure.

Peak LU.

 

[Iamback]

? I just said Jets were a non starter due to no pokies, and what's GC got to do with it? The real debate was Brisbane Firehawks v 'The'.

GC are an entirely new team, As the Firehawks would of been.

If you were creating the NRL from Scratch, There is no way Roosters and Souths would both be in the comp. To have 2 sides fighting for the same pie is just dumb.

Especially to have both teams called Brisbane makes even less sense

 

[mongoose]

Even then they'd struggle as the core of their support lives an hour or more from their home stadium.

I can think of only a handful of teams from around the world that are successful despite the core of their fanbase living away from the stadium, and they are very much the exceptions that prove the rule that it's a very bad idea.

How does Fremantle or Port Adelaide in AFL do it? I really have no idea where their core fanbases reside but Fremantle and Port Adelaide are not within close proximity to their home stadiums.

 

[Iamback]

It’s not a particularly apt analogy on many fronts - mainly because we are talking about a brand rather than a service- but again it depends on that history.

Using your analogy with regards to the first example over that time, I am presuming that person has provided unsatisfactory service to a number of people and they will no longer use him/her. Other people might not like him/her and won’t use their company.

You are also framing that example on the presumption that the second person has no experience at all. If you were to create an original franchise/brand, you would still have people with business acumen or people with RL experience guiding it. So for example (and I didn’t like) the Firehawks brand was a new entity backed by an existing club and guided by people with many years experience. If their branding was better they would have been a miles better choice.

The point was specifically another Brisbane side, not just a Queensland side. Money is great and good on them, they will be financially sustainable, but the point of this whole exercise was to have another Brisbane team. If the frames of reference were another QLD side then sure, but again what’s the point of saying let’s have another Brisbane side and not selecting a side that will be based in the Brisbane metro area? It’s oxymoronic.

Lastly, the competition will now be soon 17 sides. You won’t have a lot more room for new sides - you’d want to have more sides in NZ, Perth at the very least. So why not pick a side that meets the essential criteria rather than saying we can give another spot to a QLD side.

If another QLD team comes it. It will be where the Ipswich bid was based rather than in the centre of the city

As for Dolphins being Brisbane team

NRL-ready for 2023: Reasons behind Dolphins' successful bid

The Dolphins have been granted a club licence to join the NRL in 2023

www.nrl.com

"Part of the conditions of awarding the licence to the Dolphins includes them spending and investing $2 million a year into participation and pathways both in terms of the men's and the women's game, Indigenous pathways and making sure that we continue to grow the game in the important northern corridor.

"The population in the northern corridor that includes Moreton Bay, Sunshine Coast and beyond is more than 800,000 people. That's almost as big as Brisbane city. It's forecast to grow to 1.1 million people by 2031."

It was important the new franchise would be able to stand on its own two feet financially and bring new sponsors to the game rather than cannibalising existing sponsors, he added.

As for the club's name, which will make it the second in the NRL along with the Warriors not to have a geographical component in its title, Abdo said it was about "owning the north", growing outside the Brisbane region through Moreton Bay, the Sunshine Coast and beyond.

"Redcliffe is no longer the name, they are quite deliberately calling themselves 'The Dolphins'," he said.

"This is about owning not just Brisbane and having a second Brisbane team but owning the north as well.

The last sentence sums it up well

 

[Perth Red]

They haven't even kicked a ball yet, and somehow the Dolphins are being written off as a failure.

Peak LU.

Making sweeping statements that dont reflect the conversation, also peak LU!

No one is saying they'll likely be a failure, I mean geez if you cant make a club work with pokies behind it in a under represented market then you're really doing something wrong! The debate is where they the best choice for a second Brisbane club or have we used a license and yet still not fulfilled the need for a genuine second club representing metro Brisbane. Given the calls for a Brisbane3 so soon after the Dolphins decision would suggest many think we have missed the target.

 

[Perth Red]

GC are an entirely new team, As the Firehawks would of been.

If you were creating the NRL from Scratch, There is no way Roosters and Souths would both be in the comp. To have 2 sides fighting for the same pie is just dumb.

Especially to have both teams called Brisbane makes even less sense

You do know the Firehawks were the East Tigers bid dont you? No different to THE Dolphins in terms of existing club before and changing its name.

North Brisbane Dolphins or South Brisbane Firehawks would have been the sensible option with all games at Suncorp if you wanted a genuine Brisbane2 club.