Welcome to the comp, Redcliffe.

[Perth Red]

How does Fremantle or Port Adelaide in AFL do it? I really have no idea where their core fanbases reside but Fremantle and Port Adelaide are not within close proximity to their home stadiums.

Perth is a definite anomaly that you cant really judge other cities off. Uniquely the main club has sold out its stadium every game for decades to members so if you want to follow a team and go to games there is only one choice, its why Freo have fans right across the city, not just from the small Freo population area.
Having said that they do draw largely from the southern metropolitan rgion which encompasses over 1 million people. But what they didnt do was admit one of the existing WAFL Fremantle clubs, Dockers were a 'plastic club' entry lol.

 

[Wb1234]

I know that. I was joking. The Crushers wouldn’t have averaged 32k though.

Broncos we’re over 40k
Crushers 15k or so

not only have we lost the crushers crowds, the broncos have lost an average of 10k crowds as well

 

[Colk]

If another QLD team comes it. It will be where the Ipswich bid was based rather than in the centre of the city

As for Dolphins being Brisbane team

NRL-ready for 2023: Reasons behind Dolphins' successful bid

The Dolphins have been granted a club licence to join the NRL in 2023

www.nrl.com

"Part of the conditions of awarding the licence to the Dolphins includes them spending and investing $2 million a year into participation and pathways both in terms of the men's and the women's game, Indigenous pathways and making sure that we continue to grow the game in the important northern corridor.

"The population in the northern corridor that includes Moreton Bay, Sunshine Coast and beyond is more than 800,000 people. That's almost as big as Brisbane city. It's forecast to grow to 1.1 million people by 2031."

It was important the new franchise would be able to stand on its own two feet financially and bring new sponsors to the game rather than cannibalising existing sponsors, he added.

As for the club's name, which will make it the second in the NRL along with the Warriors not to have a geographical component in its title, Abdo said it was about "owning the north", growing outside the Brisbane region through Moreton Bay, the Sunshine Coast and beyond.

"Redcliffe is no longer the name, they are quite deliberately calling themselves 'The Dolphins'," he said.

"This is about owning not just Brisbane and having a second Brisbane team but owning the north as well.

The last sentence sums it up well

I remember reading the article. The idea of calling them ‘The’ is as stupid now as it was then.

Based on the problems that we are now seeing with stadiums in NSW, you would think that the game would recognise the problems of having more teams in outer suburban areas. Suncorp should be used every week of the competition and having a team from Brisbane that won’t achieve that just doesn’t make sense. Btw I think they will be fine (they have the money at least)

Also Ipswich is another problematic idea - are they going to play at Ipswich or are they playing at another small ground needing to be funded and maintained by the government whilst they have a world class facility in the city.

 

[Iamback]

You do know the Firehawks were the East Tigers bid dont you? No different to THE Dolphins in terms of existing club before and changing its name.

North Brisbane Dolphins or South Brisbane Firehawks would have been the sensible option with all games at Suncorp if you wanted a genuine Brisbane2 club.

Well no 2 bids joined forces when decision time was made

Lets use a Radio Station as an example, Why would a local radio station jump on board for the side to not play where the station broadcasts?

So again. Next year the WC makes it an outlier but the club will get postcodes of members, Know where the sponsors are based and will make a decision from that

Broncos had tickets for $135 on Friday night, no way the new club can do that. So maybe games elsewhere is better for certain opposition

 

[Iamback]

I remember reading the article. The idea of calling them ‘The’ is as stupid now as it was then.

Based on the problems that we are now seeing with stadiums in NSW, you would think that the game would recognise the problems of having more teams in outer suburban areas. Suncorp should be used every week of the competition and having a team from Brisbane that won’t achieve that just doesn’t make sense. Btw I think they will be fine (they have the money at least)

Also Ipswich is another problematic idea - are they going to play at Ipswich or are they playing at another small ground needing to be funded and maintained by the government whilst they have a world class facility in the city.

Like the Sydney teams, Suncorp is there if it is a better option but getting new money is should be key

 

[Perth Red]

Broncos we’re over 40k
Crushers 15k or so

not only have we lost the crushers crowds, the broncos have lost an average of 10k crowds as well

nonsense as usual. The 43k crowd avg was an anomaly and they have got over 40k avg only once in their existence.
The Broncos crowd avg 91-96 was. Avg 32.4 k
Their crowd avg for the pre covid years '14-18 was 32.5k.

 

[Perth Red]

Well no 2 bids joined forces when decision time was made

Lets use a Radio Station as an example, Why would a local radio station jump on board for the side to not play where the station broadcasts?

So again. Next year the WC makes it an outlier but the club will get postcodes of members, Know where the sponsors are based and will make a decision from that

Broncos had tickets for $135 on Friday night, no way the new club can do that. So maybe games elsewhere is better for certain opposition

They've already set out their stall they wont be a genuine Brisbane2 club but some nomadic wannabe to a number of regions.
By its nature of what they've created they will struggle to attract big crowds to suncorp in all likelihood, even them considering playing ANY games at 12k capacity stadiums shows what a fool hardy decision this is.

 

[Iamback]

They've already set out their stall they wont be a genuine Brisbane2 club but some nomadic wannabe to a number of regions.
By its nature of what they've created they will struggle to attract big crowds to suncorp in all likelihood, even them considering playing ANY games at 12k capacity stadiums shows what a fool hardy decision this is.

Again though wouldn't a Brisbane 2 just be taking away from the Broncos?

For the hundredth time, Crowds mean almost nothing. Profit is the main thing

 

[Perth Red]

Again though wouldn't a Brisbane 2 just be taking away from the Broncos?

For the hundredth time, Crowds mean almost nothing. Profit is the main thing

no, in the same way Freo didnt take away from Eagles. In a city of 2.5mill with one team there is room for another without taking away from the incumbent. Crowds are a key metric of supporter base, and have the potential to be the biggest source of revenue for a club.
Suggesting that a second Brisbane club should be playing in stadiums of 12k max because they wouldn't be able to draw more and make more profit suggests a lack of ambition, or a lack of faith in the popularity of the game in Brisbane.

 

[Colk]

Again though wouldn't a Brisbane 2 just be taking away from the Broncos?

For the hundredth time, Crowds mean almost nothing. Profit is the main thing

Think of it this way: do you think that when you have an underused magnificent stadium of 50k, that a team should instead play in a stadium of 12k?

Also, I know the argument that Rugby League is a TV sport and it doesn’t matter but maybe sometimes it should matter.

 

[Iamback]

Think of it this way: do you think that when you have an underused magnificent stadium of 50k, that a team should instead play in a stadium of 12k?

Also, I know the argument that Rugby League is a TV sport and it doesn’t matter but maybe sometimes it should matter.

Supply and demand.

If for arguments sake a mining company is offering $300k to play at Rockhampton. You can sell corporate and member ships there then. Why not?

Remembering you are $400k out of pocket to use Suncorp for starters but again supply and demand will decide that

 

[Colk]

Like the Sydney teams, Suncorp is there if it is a better option but getting new money is should be key

Yeah but that’s the problem isn’t it. In hindsight Sydney wasn’t done properly. You can’t change it now but if you were starting from scratch you definitely would not have the same make up.

All I’m saying is if you are going to have teams representing parts of a city, you locate them where the population is and where the best facilities are. You don’t want this issue where in 10, 15 or 20 years the NRL is again pleading for the government to upgrade a small ground whilst you have a perfect stadium not being used enough.

Anyway, as I have said before, they will work because they have plenty of money but I just don’t know think they were the best option for a second Brisbane side.

 

[Perth Red]

Supply and demand.

If for arguments sake a mining company is offering $300k to play at Rockhampton. You can sell corporate and member ships there then. Why not?

Remembering you are $400k out of pocket to use Suncorp for starters but again supply and demand will decide that

Because Brisbane2 should have been a big enough Brisbane drawing club to come close to matching the Broncos.
Sure if we were talking about bringing Redcliffe in as SEQ club 4 after a genuine Brisbane2 then you might have concerns about viability and sell off some games. But we aren't and Brisbane2 should have been big enough to be viable in the Brisbane market alone, not have to be a semi regional club reliant on some regional council forking out to host them.

Broncos in '21 had 28.5k ticketed members and generated $1.1mill a game in revenue from game day activity on a crowd avg in '21 of just 21.4k plus another $1.3mill in merch sales.
A genuine Brisbane 2 should be aiming for close to that.

 

[westerntiger]

the dolphins need to lobby the Qld govt to rebuild Dolphin Stadium as a 20-25k stadium. Would make much more sense than upgrading Sunshine Coast Stadium for the Olympics.

 

[Perth Red]

the dolphins need to lobby the Qld govt to rebuild Dolphin Stadium as a 20-25k stadium. Would make much more sense than upgrading Sunshine Coast Stadium for the Olympics.

Again you offer a great example of why they are such a bad choice for Brisbane2! People thinking they shouldn't be playing in Brisbane at all and that they would be better off playing at a far flung suburban ground tells you a lot about how flawed a choice they are as a genuine Brisbane2 club.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Nobody would question their financial position prior to entering the competition.

I would question their marketing (what are they and what do they want to become?) as well as the fact that they are not playing all their games at Suncorp. Like really what is the point of adding another Brisbane side that is explicitly not targeting the Brisbane metro area (seemingly) and whom are not going to play all their games at (arguably) the best rectangular stadium in Australia?

Commercial realities will mean the overwhelming majority of their games will be at Suncorp. Don't forget, the reason why up to four games are getting moved from Suncorp next year is because of the FIFA women's world cup and the unavailability of the stadium during the middle of the season. A position the Broncos will also find themselves in.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Anybody else remember when everybody was crowing about some other club from SEQ and their massive sponsorship deals with Jetstar and Reebok, and saying that that was evidence that they were going to be a financial powerhouse?

If the Dolphins are 'exactly how you want all NRL clubs to be operated' then the sport should give up now, because it will always be a niche product with no appeal outside of NSW and QLD that has no real prospects of significant national or international growth. It's support outside of NSW and QLD will be token at best, and vastly overrepresented by expats, and it's international component will be embarrassingly astroturfed.

If you can't see the difference between the Titans and the Dolphins, then I can't help you.

 

[Colk]

Commercial realities will mean the overwhelming majority of their games will be at Suncorp. Don't forget, the reason why up to four games are getting moved from Suncorp next year is because of the FIFA women's world cup and the unavailability of the stadium during the middle of the season. A position the Broncos will also find themselves in.

I was aware of that. How many games are they planning on playing at Suncorp nominally? Also, if the most of their support is going to come from the outskirts as opposed to the centre of the city is playing at Suncorp feasible. For example, supporters of say Cronulla or Manly (Penrith shouldn’t) due to their location would never consider playing the majority of their games at the SFS. Would this be any different with the Dolphins?

 

[Colk]

Supply and demand.

If for arguments sake a mining company is offering $300k to play at Rockhampton. You can sell corporate and member ships there then. Why not?

Remembering you are $400k out of pocket to use Suncorp for starters but again supply and demand will decide that

I’m sorry clubs should be playing at modern grounds (at least the vast majority of times), not small grounds. You have to make the game an experience in order to encourage people to go.

 

[Iamback]

I’m sorry clubs should be playing at modern grounds (at least the vast majority of times), not small grounds. You have to make the game an experience in order to encourage people to go.

You don't like the games in Mudgee etc?

I think it is great getting the game out there