Welcome to the comp, Redcliffe.

[Colk]

Any ideas for Canberra or Newcastle

Camberra and Newcastle recruit players. As a Raiders follower, we hardly ever get the top echelon of players but we have a strategy (juniors and players looking for an opportunity)

Newcastle have attracted a fair bit of talent over the past few years. They probably have not been the right players though.

 

[Colk]

No that’s afl

Not just fumbleball. It’s pretty much every other sport outside of soccer (and we wouldn’t go down that route)

 

[Iamback]

That's professional sports though.

The concept of local juniors is an antiquated notion that seems to have stuck around in RL, particularly in Sydney, but is really something from the past.

Ideally the NRL would run and fund juniors and the pool would be available to all.

A couple of issues with that

The game would only fund certain areas, Players may not suit the style coaches want.

2nd of that, That would require a draft to get those players to the clubs who need them and the NRLPA won't allow that.

RL system is unlikely to change, So the game needs to fit expansion around that system

 

[Iamback]

Camberra and Newcastle recruit players. As a Raiders follower, we hardly ever get the top echelon of players but we have a strategy (juniors and players looking for an opportunity)

Newcastle have attracted a fair bit of talent over the past few years. They probably have not been the right players though.

For those Juniors, The ability to play for Raiders and be a few hours drive from family in the country areas is huge.

It is what other sports can provide and is a recruitment tool for you guys to use against other clubs and codes.

That is what a new club needs within the 1st 5 years as the inital squad retire

 

[Colk]

Melbourne benefitted from Hunter, Perth and Crusher folding initially - So were able to hit the ground running.
Behind that their location helped then use QLD system more that lost Crushers.

Players are able to fly home to see family on days off, Partners again are the same it is harder and more costly from Perth.

These are the reason that GC aside the other regional sides have a higher percentage of locals. Very few sports allows a kid living in Townsville, Wollongong etc the chance to live locally and play professional sport.

Expansion is important the sport is too reliant on NSW/QLD to produce players, So getting new blood in needs to be part of any expansion. Hence why I would be against a Storm style team that doesn't produce locals

It helped them initially yes but their success over the past decade (we’ll skip the dreaded salary cap thing because that was bad obviously) has been down to them.

If they weren’t run well and they didn’t have good recruitment - for example I don’t think they recruit big name players they just scout better than pretty much everybody else - they would not succeed.

Also, if you go with the preconditions or subjectivities that you have, then the game will never go outside of NSW/QLD ever again. There would be challenges with adding a Perth side but those challenges wouldn’t be any greater than adding a second NZ side and definitely less than adding a PNG side, they are just different challenges.

For me, the biggest imperative is that the next side is financially well off. The player thing is a secondary concern and with good planning can be worked out. I don’t see why you would go for a small club just on the off chance they can field some local players.

 

[Colk]

For those Juniors, The ability to play for Raiders and be a few hours drive from family in the country areas is huge.

It is what other sports can provide and is a recruitment tool for you guys to use against other clubs and codes.

That is what a new club needs within the 1st 5 years as the inital squad retire

I agree that is our advantage yeah. We are a pseudo NSW country side in a lot of ways.

But I still think you are overselling the local thing. If I went through the Canberra Raiders junior sides or the Penrith Panthers junior sides, there would be a lot of players who aren’t from the area or even close to the area. They would be from NZ, QLD and NSW and the Pacific Islands. I know for a fact that our club has even got a thing with WA juniors as we speak.

 

[Canard]

A couple of issues with that

The game would only fund certain areas, Players may not suit the style coaches want.

2nd of that, That would require a draft to get those players to the clubs who need them and the NRLPA won't allow that.

RL system is unlikely to change, So the game needs to fit expansion around that system

Your the one that's created the scenario whereby a new team in WA shouldn't be allowed to recruit juniors from the East Coast.

Which for mine is a ridiculous condition.

 

[Wb1234]

I would much rather have somebody that doesn’t have such a massive conflict of interest.

Guy that under his ownership roosters acquired assets over 200 million ?

guys a genius

 

[Wb1234]

Camberra and Newcastle recruit players. As a Raiders follower, we hardly ever get the top echelon of players but we have a strategy (juniors and players looking for an opportunity)

Newcastle have attracted a fair bit of talent over the past few years. They probably have not been the right players though.

Not that I agree fully but his point is Perth will struggle to get players and don’t have juniors either (not many)

with storm already mooching off other peoples juniors he doesn’t want to add another similar club

 

[Colk]

Not that I agree fully but his point is Perth will struggle to get players and don’t have juniors either (not many)

with storm already mooching off other peoples juniors he doesn’t want to add another similar club

I get his point. The problem is though that the Storm don’t recruit a lot from other clubs - well unless you want to talk about blokes like Nick Meaney or Tariq Sims. Their stars have been mainly scouted blokes from Qld and the Islands who didn’t have club affiliations. Other clubs could have easily signed the Olams, Munsters and the Harry Grants of the world but they didn’t.

 

[Colk]

Guy that under his ownership roosters acquired assets over 200 million ?

guys a genius

I’m not saying he is not a very good businessman, I’m just saying that a bloke with such obvious club affiliations shouldn’t be in the position to direct the future of the game. That is because there is a massive conflict of interest inherent.

He is going to do what is best for his club and that might be completely different to what is best for the game.

 

[Wb1234]

I get his point. The problem is though that the Storm don’t recruit a lot from other clubs - well unless you want to talk about blokes like Nick Meaney or Tariq Sims. Their stars have been mainly scouted blokes from Qld and the Islands who didn’t have club affiliations. Other clubs could have easily signed the Olams, Munsters and the Harry Grants of the world but they didn’t.

That’s the point

they are diluting the existing player pool

add Perth and they will too

tbf the roosters are in the same boat

this is why regional clubs are important bc even though their tv rights aren’t as valuable as metro sides they produce a lot of the players

 

[Wb1234]

I’m not saying he is not a very good businessman, I’m just saying that a bloke with such obvious club affiliations shouldn’t be in the position to direct the future of the game. That is because there is a massive conflict of interest inherent.

He is going to do what is best for his club and that might be completely different to what is best for the game.

He thinks a second brisbane side is good for the game

how’s it a conflict of interest the roosters get no benefit out of it directly

if we had added easts tigers too can you imagine the growth ten years down the track from both the new clubs

you bored of the cricket season yet ?

 

[Iamback]

Your the one that's created the scenario whereby a new team in WA shouldn't be allowed to recruit juniors from the East Coast.

Which for mine is a ridiculous condition.

Where did I say they shouldn't?

Teams can recruit from where ever they want, I again point to NZ, Newcastle who are East Coast teams and struggle to recruit others from other areas.

What % of players do you think realistically would move to the other side of the country? Then throw in the fringe guys having to travel back to the East coast to play on weekends.

Or even better those who are injured and can't fly and are left alone in Perth. How long until they are wanting out?

We have current examples of sides in the comp right now who can't recruit quality. So it isn't a made up scenario.

Though top of it all is the fact that contact sport participation is dropping, So new areas are needed to keep the talent coming through.

Dolphins have the 4 PNG Hunters guys for pre-season

Roosters have linked up with Fiji Ron Massey Cup team

Bulldogs have a presence in NZ

So the clubs are already making moves to getting new blood in, Team 18 in a new market shouldn't bring in new talent?

 

[Iamback]

I agree that is our advantage yeah. We are a pseudo NSW country side in a lot of ways.

But I still think you are overselling the local thing. If I went through the Canberra Raiders junior sides or the Penrith Panthers junior sides, there would be a lot of players who aren’t from the area or even close to the area. They would be from NZ, QLD and NSW and the Pacific Islands. I know for a fact that our club has even got a thing with WA juniors as we speak.

Clubs shouldn't be relying on their locals but is a good fallback.

2021 SG Ball GF was Canberra v Illawarra, 2 sides who in an NRL level struggle.
We have seen Savage, Sloan, Amone play NRL.
Trey Mooney and a few others are close.

That is the benefit they have over some Sydney clubs

 

[Colk]

That’s the point

they are diluting the existing player pool

add Perth and they will too

tbf the roosters are in the same boat

this is why regional clubs are important bc even though their tv rights aren’t as valuable as metro sides they produce a lot of the players

Two sides of the fence though. Every team is going to dilute the player pool by definition.

The whole theory is based on the idea that every player that has played for the Storm would have definitely been playing in the NRL without the Storm. Munster and Grant probably but then who knows if some other club would have taken an opportunity on somebody like Olam or Papanheuzen or a number of other players that have been picked up.

Again they haven’t bought any stars, they have just picked up players that any other club could have easily picked up. That is how the free market operates and I don’t see that as a bad thing

 

[Canard]

He thinks a second brisbane side is good for the game

how’s it a conflict of interest the roosters get no benefit out of it directly

if we had added easts tigers too can you imagine the growth ten years down the track from both the new clubs

you bored of the cricket season yet ?

Adding a 3rd Brisbane team so soon, would certainly sabotage the Dolphins growth and affect the Broncos.

So yeh, I can see how that would help the Roosters.

 

[Wb1234]

Adding a 3rd Brisbane team so soon, would certainly sabotage the Dolphins growth and affect the Broncos.

So yeh, I can see how that would help the Roosters.

Love that super league mentality lol

maybe he knows that easts tigers would be a massive nrl club given their infrastructure

heck if they were added those 3 Brisbane clubs would be the biggest in the league

 

[Wb1234]

Two sides of the fence though. Every team is going to dilute the player pool by definition.

The whole theory is based on the idea that every player that has played for the Storm would have definitely been playing in the NRL without the Storm. Munster and Grant probably but then who knows if some other club would have taken an opportunity on somebody like Olam or Papanheuzen or a number of other players that have been picked up.

Again they haven’t bought any stars, they have just picked up players that any other club could have easily picked up. That is how the free market operates and I don’t see that as a bad thing

Smith choose storm over broncos

paps was west tigers etc

all they have is good talent spotting

the whole club is built on that flimsy foundation

if the broncos got their act together they would struggle badly

would Perth be similar to this ? Yes they would

 

[Iamback]

Two sides of the fence though. Every team is going to dilute the player pool by definition.

The whole theory is based on the idea that every player that has played for the Storm would have definitely been playing in the NRL without the Storm. Munster and Grant probably but then who knows if some other club would have taken an opportunity on somebody like Olam or Papanheuzen or a number of other players that have been picked up.

Again they haven’t bought any stars, they have just picked up players that any other club could have easily picked up. That is how the free market operates and I don’t see that as a bad thing

Cameron Smith they didn't sign. He was through their feeder arrangement