Welcome to the comp, Redcliffe.

[Colk]

Smith choose storm over broncos

paps was west tigers etc

all they have is good talent spotting

the whole club is built on that flimsy foundation

if the broncos got their act together they would struggle badly

would Perth be similar to this ? Yes they would

Every club would struggle without good scouting and recruitment.

As I said you could have a massive junior area but if you don’t have money or good scouting/recruitment, then it means absolutely nothing.

 

[Colk]

Cameron Smith they didn't sign. He was through their feeder arrangement

Huh? I didn’t mention Cameron Smith. In any case, how is that an argument against what I have said. Just because he was part of a feeder club doesn’t mean that any other club couldn’t sign him.

 

[Wb1234]

Every club would struggle without good scouting and recruitment.

As I said you could have a massive junior area but if you don’t have money or good scouting/recruitment, then it means absolutely nothing.

Flimsy way to build a club
No foundations

we want more clubs like Penrith for example
Loads of juniors in their area and growing every day

local kids who grew up in the area and are proud to represent it

it’s what rugby league is about

 

[Canard]

Flimsy way to build a club
No foundations

we want more clubs like Penrith for example
Loads of juniors in their area and growing every day

local kids who grew up in the area and are proud to represent it

it’s what rugby league is about

To limit a competition growth to its heartland areas only is a shitty way to operate.

 

[Wb1234]

To limit a competition growth to its heartland areas only is a shitty way to operate.

Perth is the next team anyway

this is just my opinion sunshine

we should go nz2 brissie 3 and png before Perth

then once the player pool is growing with all those clubs add the dots in a map

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

AwFuL added the Lions and Swans to Brisbane and Sydney. Both teams had rough spells off the field and needed help on numerous occasions to survive, but they've made AwFuL bigger and richer.

We've added the Storm in Melbourne. It took 15 years for them to become sustainable, but they're now one of the powerhouses of the NRL and bring much needed money into the game.

What we need is a team in Perth. There are so many similarities between Brisbane and Perth. We're losing out by not having a team in this market. Adding a team in Perth will add much needed money to the game over the decades.

 

[Colk]

Flimsy way to build a club
No foundations

we want more clubs like Penrith for example
Loads of juniors in their area and growing every day

local kids who grew up in the area and are proud to represent it

it’s what rugby league is about

There are plenty of ways to skin a cat as they say. I also think you’re being unrealistic because no club coming in whether that be the Dolphins as the next side or whoever is the 18th side is going to replicate what Penrith have been able to do for at least two generations down the line.

Also how long have Penrith operated like this? They have only been able to do this since they have had the money, scouting, foresight and planning to do it. It’s also taken them what nearly a decade to implement this. Good on them for doing it but if they didn’t have the finances they would not be able to do it.

Essentially a club can only be really successful with money and good scouting. That’s the most important thing and hence why you go to an area which is most likely to be able to support a well financed and resourced side. The scouting is up to them.

 

[Wb1234]

There are plenty of ways to skin a cat as they say. I also think you’re being unrealistic because no club coming in whether that be the Dolphins as the next side or whoever is the 18th side is going to replicate what Penrith have been able to do for at least two generations down the line.

Also how long have Penrith operated like this? They have only been able to do this since they have had the money, scouting, foresight and planning to do it. It’s also taken them what nearly a decade to implement this. Good on them for doing it but if they didn’t have the finances they would not be able to do it.

Essentially a club can only be really successful with money and good scouting. That’s the most important thing and hence why you go to an area which is most likely to be able to support a well financed and resourced side. The scouting is up to them.

Nz2 brisbane 3 and png can all do it easily

dolphins will too they have the junior systems in place already

it’s an important factor when looking at expansion clubs

 

[Canard]

Perth is the next team anyway

this is just my opinion sunshine

we should go nz2 brissie 3 and png before Perth

then once the player pool is growing with all those clubs add the dots in a map

It's my opinion, that your criteria for expansion is insular and unsustainable.

 

[Wb1234]

It's my opinion, that your criteria for expansion is insular and unsustainable.

Well since I’m not running the nrl it doesn’t matter does it

wait till Perth are added and they don’t change the world like you think

just what we need is another plastic club

 

[Colk]

Nz2 brisbane 3 and png can all do it easily

dolphins will too they have the junior systems in place already

it’s an important factor when looking at expansion clubs

I doubt PNG could do it. At least not in the short term or medium term. They would also struggle a lot (more than any other side) to recruit. You need to be able to recruit. Thus I just don’t think a side in that area would be competitive.

NZ 2 has a greater chance for sure but again it depends on where you put it. You also have to think how it affects the Warriors. The whole point of expansion should be to grow the game whilst having the least impact on existing sides. For example if you place it in Auckland you have a better chance commercially but then you are probably adversely impacting the Warriors. If you place it in Wellington or Christchurch (I’d prefer the latter) then those markets are not huge and that would present somewhat of a challenge.

I definitely agree with Brisbane 3 in terms of commercial viability but like the NZ example how would it impact on existing sides - not so much the Broncos but the Titans and the Dolphins?

 

[Colk]

Well since I’m not running the nrl it doesn’t matter does it

wait till Perth are added and they don’t change the world like you think

just what we need is another plastic club

I don’t think it will change the world either, I just think that they are the only area that doesn’t impact any other club (which is really important) , will grow the game and is financially sustainable.

 

[Wb1234]

I don’t think it will change the world either, I just think that they are the only area that doesn’t impact any other club (which is really important) , will grow the game and is financially sustainable.

Yep they will have no impact on the west coast eagles or Fremantle lmao

 

[Canard]

Yep they will have no impact on the west coast eagles or Fremantle lmao

So? Why would that matter?

 

[Perth Red]

Where did I say they shouldn't?

Teams can recruit from where ever they want, I again point to NZ, Newcastle who are East Coast teams and struggle to recruit others from other areas.

What % of players do you think realistically would move to the other side of the country? Then throw in the fringe guys having to travel back to the East coast to play on weekends.

Or even better those who are injured and can't fly and are left alone in Perth. How long until they are wanting out?

We have current examples of sides in the comp right now who can't recruit quality. So it isn't a made up scenario.

Though top of it all is the fact that contact sport participation is dropping, So new areas are needed to keep the talent coming through.

Dolphins have the 4 PNG Hunters guys for pre-season

Roosters have linked up with Fiji Ron Massey Cup team

Bulldogs have a presence in NZ

So the clubs are already making moves to getting new blood in, Team 18 in a new market shouldn't bring in new talent?

We did ok signing a squad 28 years ago when Perth was a little hick city and players didnt earn a motza. Link with Brisbane Tigers and develop a PNG partnership as well as significant investment in NRLWA and we'll go ok.

Getting out of the east coast spotlight and living in an incredibly sunny, beautiful and easy going major city where you can buy a big house near the city and on the beach for less than $2mill will be an attraction for some.
Perth is also an ideal location for SL players, big pom community, closer to Uk for flying and only 7/8 hours time difference for calling the family. Id say its going to be easier, but not easy, for Perth to sign established NRL players than it will be Wellington. Wellington will likely pick the eyes out of the Warriors but not attract Australian players.

There's plenty of clubs in heartlands with Jnr numbers all around them that seem to struggle more than teams without.

Even better NRL could lose its socialist mentality and give clubs that struggle to attract players a helping hand. Dolphins and Club 18 should have been given significant salary cap dispensation to sign non NRL contracted players for the first 5 years. Lets go raiding Union and taking a chance on more PNG and European players.

 

[mongoose]

There are plenty of ways to skin a cat as they say. I also think you’re being unrealistic because no club coming in whether that be the Dolphins as the next side or whoever is the 18th side is going to replicate what Penrith have been able to do for at least two generations down the line.

Also how long have Penrith operated like this? They have only been able to do this since they have had the money, scouting, foresight and planning to do it. It’s also taken them what nearly a decade to implement this. Good on them for doing it but if they didn’t have the finances they would not be able to do it.

Essentially a club can only be really successful with money and good scouting. That’s the most important thing and hence why you go to an area which is most likely to be able to support a well financed and resourced side. The scouting is up to them.

You just have to look at the two most successful clubs of the NRL era - Storm and Roosters to see that local juniors don't mean shit. Knights and Titans have big junior nurseries and have been basket cases for the past 10-12 seasons.

 

[Colk]

You just have to look at the two most successful clubs of the NRL era - Storm and Roosters to see that local juniors don't mean shit. Knights and Titans have big junior nurseries and have been basket cases for the past 10-12 seasons.

Exactly. It’s great that Penrith have been able to what they do but in recent history they are an outlier. Again, they wouldn’t also be able to do it without money and good scouting which the Knights and the Titans as your counterpoint have not had generally.

 

[Perth Red]

You just have to look at the two most successful clubs of the NRL era - Storm and Roosters to see that local juniors don't mean shit. Knights and Titans have big junior nurseries and have been basket cases for the past 10-12 seasons.

Yeh it def blows the local jnrs are critical argument out of the window. Until panthers came along when wa sthe last time a club with predominantly home grown talent won the comp?

it’d be interesting to know how many jnrs you actually have to have playing the game in a region to funnel into a sustainable flow of nrl first graders for a club. I wonder if that research has ver been done?
is it about jnr numbers or more about investment in development. pathways I wonder?

 

[mongoose]

Yeh it def blows the local jnrs are critical argument out of the window. Until panthers came along when wa sthe last time a club with predominantly home grown talent won the comp?

it’d be interesting to know how many jnrs you actually have to have playing the game in a region to funnel into a sustainable flow of nrl first graders for a club. I wonder if that research has ver been done?
is it about jnr numbers or more about investment in development. pathways I wonder?

Probably the Broncos of the late 90s - early 2000s. The Knights of the same period would have had a lot of local talent. Can't think of many teams since then, maybe the Cows in 2015?

 

[Perth Red]

Flimsy way to build a club
No foundations

we want more clubs like Penrith for example
Loads of juniors in their area and growing every day

local kids who grew up in the area and are proud to represent it

it’s what rugby league is about

That proud they’re all signing for other clubs now they’ve made it lol