Wellington SHOULD be the next NRL team.

[Perth Red]

Maybe but was reading in todyas paper they are set to introduce a argentinian and SA new teams into S15 to make it S17. As the domestic season grows the international season reduces. We all know it is only the international fixtures keeping NZ and Aus RU alive. SA has already talked about walking away from S15 and forming a domestic comp with the more lucrative European clubs.

Maybe a second NZ team will pump up the NZ Sky bid next time or even entice a FTA channel to bid more money, I don't see it adding to the value from an Australian TV perspective.

 

[Knownothing]

Discussions about television rights probably belong in the Media thread. But for anybody who is interested, there is a very good article in The New Yorker, February 3rd, titled "Outside the Box". It is all about the huge changes in viewing options and patterns over the last 20 years. To cut a long story short, experts believe that in ten years time ALL television viewing will be 100 percent streamed, on demand, via the internet.

Any rosy predictions about future television revenues for any sport need to be viewed with some scepticism. The AFL know what they are doing, they are investing in the future. The NRL will have to follow them.


Soccer and rugby union locally will be able to piggy-back on whatever technical solutions are developed in the countries where these sports are rich and strong, not to mention FIFA and the IRB.

In technological terms, we are still in the horse and buggy era when it comes to sports viewing.

 

[georgesnmith]

Soccer has survived up until now, and whilever they remain in Asia they will do okay.

The next Super Rugby deal will deliver far more to the ARU (it is not dependent on Australian ratings only) and there is no way that the IRB would allow rugby union to wither away in Australia. Here's a clue, the current CEO of the IRB is an Australian. Australia is the third or fourth ranked Test nation. Rugby union is certainly not dependent on local tv ratings only.

google NSL

see what happened to that

though i agree in this format they are doing much better.

the NRL hasnt even added expansion teams yet to advance its TV deal

AFL added two teams, without this it wouldve hardly had an increase

S15 expanded its season, added two new teams.

the NRL deals doubled and it didnt add a single team.

 

[georgesnmith]

Maybe but was reading in todyas paper they are set to introduce a argentinian and SA new teams into S15 to make it S17. As the domestic season grows the international season reduces. We all know it is only the international fixtures keeping NZ and Aus RU alive. SA has already talked about walking away from S15 and forming a domestic comp with the more lucrative European clubs.

Maybe a second NZ team will pump up the NZ Sky bid next time or even entice a FTA channel to bid more money, I don't see it adding to the value from an Australian TV perspective.

it wont add more than Perth or Brisbane 2 would add to the australian TV contracts

Wellington is a must for sure but theyll want to go with the teams this time that add the most to TV rights.

after they maximise those they can go for the more outlandish sides that have more longer term benefits

 

[mikeob]

What about this bid? Click corporate and check out who is on board. The state government has promised a new 25,000 seat stadium once a license is granted and the catchment area which is rugby league heartland stretches from Bundaberg to Mackay, maybe a bit further. I don't see many risks there; just alot of financial stability and local support and it seems some of you have forgotten about what is a very strong bid.

 

[georgesnmith]

What about this bid? Click corporate and check out who is on board. The state government has promised a new 25,000 seat stadium once a license is granted and the catchment area which is rugby league heartland stretches from Bundaberg to Mackay, maybe a bit further. I don't see many risks there; just alot of financial stability and local support and it seems some of you have forgotten about what is a very strong bid.

we dont need any more regional teams.

if queensland gets a team it has to be in brisbane.

CQ best bet is to get a sydney club to move there

 

[Knownothing]

it wont add more than Perth or Brisbane 2 would add to the australian TV contracts

Argentina's home games are played in a friendly time zone for the Americas as a whole. This is a trial run for a North American conference in Super RU.

 

[georgesnmith]

Argentina's home games are played in a friendly time zone for the Americas as a whole. This is a trial run for a North American conference in Super RU.

:lol:

 

[The Great Dane]

:lol:

He's not kidding!

SANZA plan to have an American conference and an Asian conference in place before 2050, at the moment with the way things are here in Australia and with the SARU frequently threatening to leave Super Rugby unless they get everything their way it does seem like a pipe dream, but then you see the figures that are being casually thrown around by interested groups in Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore and you start to realise that they might actually be able to do it.

They may have to throw away any hope of most of the Asian and American teams being competitive with the other conferences and they'll definitely lose at least one of either the Force or the Rebels along the way, but they might be able to pull it off.

 

[georgesnmith]

He's not kidding!

SANZA plan to have an American conference and an Asian conference in place before 2050, at the moment with the way things are here in Australia and with the SARU frequently threatening to leave Super Rugby unless they get everything their way it does seem like a pipe dream, but then you see the figures that are being casually thrown around by interested groups in Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore and you start to realise that they might actually be able to do it.

They may have to throw away any hope of most of the Asian and American teams being competitive with the other conferences and they'll definitely lose at least one of either the Force or the Rebels along the way, but they might be able to pull it off.

:lol:


guess you guys arent really reading the comments by union people that australia cant even support the current number of teams and that the competition should be scaled back.

so maybe in 2050 the Super 15 will get a good TV deal lol i might not even live that long

anyway this is all o/t even though it is really amusing reading the fantasy.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Argentina's home games are played in a friendly time zone for the Americas as a whole. This is a trial run for a North American conference in Super RU.

:lol:

Union zealot.

 

[The Great Dane]

:lol:


guess you guys arent really reading the comments by union people that australia cant even support the current number of teams and that the competition should be scaled back.

so maybe in 2050 the Super 15 will get a good TV deal lol i might not even live that long

anyway this is all o/t even though it is really amusing reading the fantasy.

They may have to throw away any hope of most of the Asian and American teams being competitive with the other conferences and they'll definitely lose at least one of either the Force or the Rebels along the way, but they might be able to pull it off.

You should probably read the post your commenting on before you comment on it!

And anyway the problems in the Australian conference will not affect expansion into the other conferences or new conferences.

As for their TV deals, they don't rely on only their Australian TV rights deal and have much more valuable online rights then the NRL could ever hope for.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Super 15 Nth Anerican Conference- did you mean by 2050 or 2500?

And if Australia can't support a conference what chance do they have?

Typical Union pipe dream

 

[The Great Dane]

Super 15 Nth Anerican Conference- did you mean by 2050 or 2500?

And if Australia can't support a conference what chance do they have?

Typical Union pipe dream

American conference not North American, there's a big difference.

And there's more money being thrown around by Asian investors interested in an Asian conference (don't know about the American one) then SANZA could have ever hoped to have made from the Australian conference, so whether they can Support the Australian conference or not doesn't really matter.

In fact there is already talk that SANZA may look to merge the NZ conference and Australian conference to make room for the Asian/American conference and make the Australian teams more stable by dropping two and only leaving three in the new 'Australasian' conference.

 

[Perth Red]

2 Argentinian teams hardly constitutes and American conference. Their plans make sense given the perilous state of union in Australia and the recent financial problems of the nzru. If I was sth Africa i'd be looking to dump Australasia as well!

 

[georgesnmith]

You should probably read the post your commenting on before you comment on it!

And anyway the problems in the Australian conference will not affect expansion into the other conferences or new conferences.

As for their TV deals, they don't rely on only their Australian TV rights deal and have much more valuable online rights then the NRL could ever hope for.

The reason why the NRL got a 1.2 billion tV deal is because a lot of people watch it on TV

union can make up all the hype it wants but since its TV ratings are so bad it wont get TV deals which will match us.

4 of the 5 conferences in australia are losing money so if they rationalise the number of teams it will mean LESS TV dollars in the future, and the ARU is almost broke as well.

Do you think the Perth and Melbourne teams will still be around in 10 years time?

 

[georgesnmith]

Super 15 Nth Anerican Conference- did you mean by 2050 or 2500?

And if Australia can't support a conference what chance do they have?

Typical Union pipe dream

John oneill was talking a few years back about union getting a billion dollar TV deal

he was talking about teams in argentina, japan and america

i wonder if thats what these guys believe???

:lol:

 

[georgesnmith]

American conference not North American, there's a big difference.

And there's more money being thrown around by Asian investors interested in an Asian conference (don't know about the American one) then SANZA could have ever hoped to have made from the Australian conference, so whether they can Support the Australian conference or not doesn't really matter.

In fact there is already talk that SANZA may look to merge the NZ conference and Australian conference to make room for the Asian/American conference and make the Australian teams more stable by dropping two and only leaving three in the new 'Australasian' conference.

:lol::lol::lol:

 

[The Great Dane]

The reason why the NRL got a 1.2 billion tV deal is because a lot of people watch it on TV

union can make up all the hype it wants but since its TV ratings are so bad it wont get TV deals which will match us.

4 of the 5 conferences in australia are losing money so if they rationalise the number of teams it will mean LESS TV dollars in the future, and the ARU is almost broke as well.

Do you think the Perth and Melbourne teams will still be around in 10 years time?

What the hell are you on about, 90% of what you said here doesn't make sense!!

You fail to take into account that Super Rugby has more then one major TV rights deals that it has to sell, i.e. they sell their rights to more broadcasters then just the ones here in Australia, and in most cases for lot more then they sell them here for.

You fail to take into account that Super Rugby has more then one major stakeholder like the NRL and actually has three in the NZRU, the SARU and the ARU, only one of which is up sh!t creek without a paddle.

You talk about the 5 teams (I assume you mean teams instead of conferences, otherwise your worse off then I thought) here in Australia as if they are the be all and end all for Super Rugby, news flash the Australian conference is not Super Rugby's most important conference strategically or otherwise! In fact they could lose it completely with few consequences business wise.

And finally you fail to realise that they have a bigger international market to sell their product to and more interest from new (huge profitable) international markets then the NRL could ever hope to have.

Yes they may lose the Rebels and the Force I admit that, in fact I even told you about (supposed) plans to drop both of them and merge the Australian conference and NZ conference in the hopes of making the other three Australian teams profitable or at least worth the money that is spent on them, but look at it from SANZA's perspective, so what if they lose the Australian conference when they can be making hundreds of millions more dollars off an Asian conference just from the Asian teams owners themselves.

 

[georgesnmith]

What the hell are you on about, 90% of what you said here doesn't make sense!!

You fail to take into account that Super Rugby has more then one major TV rights deals that it has to sell, i.e. they sell their rights to more broadcasters then just the ones here in Australia, and in most cases for lot more then they sell them here for.

You fail to take into account that Super Rugby has more then one major stakeholder like the NRL and actually has three in the NZRU, the SARU and the ARU, only one of which is up sh!t creek without a paddle.

You talk about the 5 teams (I assume you mean teams instead of conferences, otherwise your worse off then I thought) here in Australia as if they are the be all and end all for Super Rugby, news flash the Australian conference is not Super Rugby's most important conference strategically or otherwise! In fact they could lose it completely with few consequences business wise.

And finally you fail to realise that they have a bigger international market to sell their product to and more interest from new (huge profitable) international markets then the NRL could ever hope to have.

Yes they may lose the Rebels and the Force I admit that, in fact I even told you about (supposed) plans to drop both of them and merge the Australian conference and NZ conference in the hopes of making the other three Australian teams profitable or at least worth the money that is spent on them, but look at it from SANZA's perspective, so what if they lose the Australian conference when they can be making hundreds of millions more dollars off an Asian conference just from the Asian teams owners themselves.

so australia can shrink by two teams and still the competition will be doing well?

especially if we expand back to perth the ARU will have just done all the hard work for us.

the current Sanzar TV deal (tests, Super 15 etc) is worth HALF the current NRL TV deal (ours includes everything as well).

thats the simple reality.

end of the day if you really want to defend union so badly theres a thread on TFC discussing this very topic this is going away too far from the thread material.

to get this back on topic, the NRL can still expand to Brisbane x 2, Perth, PNG, Wellington, central coast and adelaide.

we have a lot of room to grow TV viewers and ratings, we havent scratched the surface yet.