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The sample size can throw well iffy results out when you get to small viewing figures. There are less than 500 households in Perth with a box. That's one box per 2000 people. So when it says 7000 people have watched NRL in Perth how do they know? It would only take a handful of RL fans to have a box and the figures would be trebled overnight. Very iffy statistical gathering for extrapolation
 

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Cost. They have to raise all the money for the SG ball team (around $450k a year), they get no support from NRL for it. To raise over a $million a year for a second tier team isn't viable and would be too big a risk for a cash strapped NRLWA. Also given no strategy for expansion the NRLWA probably see no point to it. It wont help one way or other Perth to get an NRl team and our best jnrs at moment get picked up by NRL clubs and wont hang around in a WA NSW cup team with no direct pathway to the top level. So in summary cant afford it and no benefit to the game in WA.
 

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Cost. They have to raise all the money for the SG ball team (around $450k a year), they get no support from NRL for it. To raise over a $million a year for a second tier team isn't viable and would be too big a risk for a cash strapped NRLWA. Also given no strategy for expansion the NRLWA probably see no point to it. It wont help one way or other Perth to get an NRl team and our best jnrs at moment get picked up by NRL clubs and wont hang around in a WA NSW cup team with no direct pathway to the top level. So in summary cant afford it and no benefit to the game in WA.

Strange logic.

Lots of places have 2nd tier teams that won't get an NRL team, and Perth is more likely than any of them when the NRL in their infinite wisdom sees fit to get round to it.
Even without an NRL club on the horizon, surely a mid-term goal should be to have the highest level club possible in Perth?

I also find it hard to believe that the NRL takes all good juniors, and that all of those juniors go on to have successful careers. If Perth is capable of creating NRL level players it should at least have a semi-professional club in operation, for those who don't quite make it, for those who come back, and to provide a pathway for late bloomers.


Finances are a valid issue. Given the NRL has made noises about expanding the 2nd tier, I'd hope for some significant support if it was requested.
 

latingringo101

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Cost. They have to raise all the money for the SG ball team (around $450k a year), they get no support from NRL for it. To raise over a $million a year for a second tier team isn't viable and would be too big a risk for a cash strapped NRLWA. Also given no strategy for expansion the NRLWA probably see no point to it. It wont help one way or other Perth to get an NRl team and our best jnrs at moment get picked up by NRL clubs and wont hang around in a WA NSW cup team with no direct pathway to the top level. So in summary cant afford it and no benefit to the game in WA.

Didn't the NRLWA (WARL) have a big clean out a few years ago to come in line with the NRL?

Also i've been following the NRL WA facebook and they seem to be going along nicely.

Surely the NRL has helped put in some $$$ to help the sport run in WA
 

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Strange logic.

Lots of places have 2nd tier teams that won't get an NRL team, and Perth is more likely than any of them when the NRL in their infinite wisdom sees fit to get round to it.
Even without an NRL club on the horizon, surely a mid-term goal should be to have the highest level club possible in Perth?

I also find it hard to believe that the NRL takes all good juniors, and that all of those juniors go on to have successful careers. If Perth is capable of creating NRL level players it should at least have a semi-professional club in operation, for those who don't quite make it, for those who come back, and to provide a pathway for late bloomers.


Finances are a valid issue. Given the NRL has made noises about expanding the 2nd tier, I'd hope for some significant support if it was requested.

Precisely. Perth should have a senior team in a 2nd tier comp, backed by some of that NRL TV money. Consider it lead-up work for their eventual promotion to the NRL itself.

Same principle goes for 2 other strategic locations
- a 2nd NZ team which I believe is inevitable in the NRL - so there should be *at least* another NZ side in either the NSW or Qld cup.
- Adelaide. Don't laugh - invest money in their local comp now, and they may be in a position to have a 2nd tier comp team by the time Perth is in the NRL, again using the same lead-up strategy as I said for Perth. Play regular NRL games there in the meantime to generate interest in the code.

Brisbane is a different beast. A 2nd team there makes sense - and soon - but there can easily be a competitive tender process for that RIGHT NOW.
 

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Didn't the NRLWA (WARL) have a big clean out a few years ago to come in line with the NRL?

Also i've been following the NRL WA facebook and they seem to be going along nicely.

Surely the NRL has helped put in some $$$ to help the sport run in WA

No, not much. There has been little increase in funding in 5 years. The SG ball side exists due to taxes on wa clubs and some very generous support from cash converters. The only extra funding I have seen has been a couple of development officers in North WA and SW of state.

Here is an example, NRLWA had to do some fundraising to help reduce costs on Jnr rep players

http://nrlwa.com.au/additional-funding-for-state-school-teams/
 
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Strange logic.

Lots of places have 2nd tier teams that won't get an NRL team, and Perth is more likely than any of them when the NRL in their infinite wisdom sees fit to get round to it.
Even without an NRL club on the horizon, surely a mid-term goal should be to have the highest level club possible in Perth?

I also find it hard to believe that the NRL takes all good juniors, and that all of those juniors go on to have successful careers. If Perth is capable of creating NRL level players it should at least have a semi-professional club in operation, for those who don't quite make it, for those who come back, and to provide a pathway for late bloomers.


Finances are a valid issue. Given the NRL has made noises about expanding the 2nd tier, I'd hope for some significant support if it was requested.

Still needs to be financially viable and worthwhile. At the moment it is neither. Would weaken the existing NRLWA clubs and be unaffordable. No they're not taking all the jnrs, just the cream. When you have a small Jnr pool you can't afford to lose any if the NSW cup team isn't just going to be full of imports.

Only way it would work is if
A) it was properly funded by NRL
B) decent funding to increase our Jnr pool was included
C) it was linked to an NRL pathway
D) it was part of a longer term strategy to introduce an NRL team to Perth

Plenty of current NRL clubs can't manage to run a second tier team so you shouldn't be surprised an afl city with a half arsed RL strategy would not consider it viable.
 
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WA 22 - CRL 12.

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I assume that money was lost on the NRL game yesterday with the poor crowd that showed up ..

Don't think it makes much sense continuing with these games in the short term, particularly when it always seems to be the Warriors dragging their butts half way across the Southern Hemisphere...( obviously they think expat Kiwis are the only potential market but even they might have had enough..)

I think the NRL should spend some proper money advertising the game on FTA TV in the next couple of years and try to concentrate on improving the appalling ratings over there..this would help their cause more towards getting their own team than 12-15K turning up to two games a year...
 

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11k X $35 plus corporate sales and memberships. Manly would have done ok.
Would make more sense if they want to maximise income to play here in apr-may when weather is likely to maximise ticket sales.
 

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I heard an announcement on the PA system after the game that Manly have a deal to come back to Perth for the next 3 years.

The Kiwi Super Rugby sides seem to get to Perth alright so I'm sure the Warriors can do it once a year if the NRL fixtures them over here.
 
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State of Origin's Perth experiment is a great test for the game in the west


July 16 2016


The NRL has announced game two of the 2019 State of Origin series will be played at the new Perth Stadium.

Australian sport's greatest rivalry, State of Origin, will be heading west. It will be the first time, except for the 1987 exhibition match in Los Angeles, that an Origin match is played outside of Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne.

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Red-blooded: Mark Geyer with the Western Reds in 1996. Photo: Getty Images
By season 2019 Perth will have a new state-of-the-art facility to host the match. In making the announcement, NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg used the predictable phrases "showcase our premium product", "grow the game", "new markets", "taking Origin to new venues" and "huge benefits for the game".

A decision such as this obviously falls into the category of "big thinking" to take rugby league's premium product to a new city and a new venue.

I'd like to make mention of a couple of points.

Firstly, from a scheduling point of view, it is interesting to note the NRL intends to play this Origin contest on a Sunday. Under the new television broadcast rights deal, from season 2018 game two of the Origin series will be played on a Sunday evening. Kick-off time will still be in prime time, about 8pm eastern standard time.

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Obviously with the different time zone between the eastern seaboard and our western-most city, this means kick-off will be about 6pm Perth time, providing a more family-friendly timeslot for the locals to attend the match.

I guess there were some people licking their lips at the prospect of seeing a State of Origin match being played during daylight hours, however, this will not be the case. Many who have been involved at this level of football over the years have wondered just how fast and brutal an Origin contest would be if it was played on a dry field.

I imagine it would be frighteningly fast. The cold weather and generally slippery playing surfaces we experience in Sydney and Melbourne at this time of year are just some of the unspoken challenges that our great players face at this level of the game. I can only imagine it would be an awesome spectacle if we were to give these elite players perfect playing conditions.

A quick look at the weather map tells us that conditions in Perth at this time of year would be very similar to those experienced in Sydney. Mind you, Origin football provides the three most watched television shows in Australia every season. It is only proper that these spectacles are shown live into lounge rooms across the country in prime-time viewing timeslots.

My second discussion point relates to the obvious conclusion that will be drawn from moving one of our marquee sporting contests to the city of Perth. One can only think that the NRL views this city as a likely prospect for an NRL franchise some time in the future.

Obviously this means that expansion is very much in the minds of the Australian Rugby League Commission. If you polled rugby league fans from all areas of the country asking where the game should next expand, I can assure you Perth would rate in the top three choices. Most people would argue that a Perth team playing in the NRL makes a lot of sense on many levels. The different time zone in Perth and the possibilities around televising games from this area into the eastern seaboard and New Zealand certainly produce some more options for broadcasters.

Sporting franchises from other codes based in Perth have all met with tremendous success over the years. There is no doubting it is a sporting city.

The West Australian rugby league does oversee a premier competition in the state with junior grades from under 11s to under 16s and senior competitions in five divisions. Over the years we have seen the odd West Australian junior make their way into the NRL competition but, to be honest, they have been few and far between.

I think the prospect of having an NRL franchise in Perth is a long way away. It's just that many people claim that Perth has a real appetite for a place in the NRL, and with this decision to take State of Origin to the city, it's only logical for people to start putting two and two together.

So far as an appetite for the code goes, premiership games have been taken to Perth on a fairly regular basis. For the most part, crowd levels have been encouraging.

The first premiership match to be taken to Perth was in 1989. Canberra defeated Canterbury 18-14 at the WACA ground in front of 21,922 fans.

In 1990, the Raiders and Manly drew a crowd of 23,566 at the same venue. In 1991, Parramatta defeated Cronulla in front of 18,680. Crowd levels were similar in 1992 and 1993.

In 1994, there were two games played in Perth; one drawing 16,000 fans and the next only 13,864.

Then came the announcement from the Australian Rugby League that the Western Reds, playing out of the city of Perth, would enter a newly expanded 20-team competition. The news was met with wild excitement in the west. At last the city of Perth would have a place in the major rugby league competition in Australia.

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Josh McGuire and Andrew Fifita give the Perth fans a foretaste of Origin. Photo: Getty Images

In the early stages the crowds came out to support them, too. However, for a number of reasons, crowds diminished significantly over the next couple of seasons until the Reds were finally disbanded as part of a compromise deal to end the Super League war.

In 1995, the crowds for home games in Perth tracked as follows: game one 24,392, game two 20,985, game three 15,909, game four 15,151, game five 10,750, game six 10,442, game seven 8102, game eight 8462, game nine 9103, game 10 11,225, and finally 12,201. Just two years later, in season 1997, the Perth-based team was averaging home crowds of about 8500. It was obvious that support for the team was declining rapidly.

News that the Western Reds had been sacrificed and would no longer exist in the NRL competition was not taken to kindly by the locals.

The Melbourne Storm took a home game against Western Suburbs to Perth in 1999. They listed the crowd at 8236 but, to be honest, it looked like they were counting arms and legs.

The NRL competition took a break from Perth until season 2005, when Cronulla and the Warriors were supported by 13,293 fans.

Four years later, in 2009, South Sydney took on the challenge of taking games to this venue on a regular basis to see whether or not they could reignite the following for rugby league. Their first match against the Storm attracted a crowd of 15,197. They played again against the Storm in 2010 in front of 13,164 fans. In 2011, Souths and the Broncos attracted a crowd of just over 15,000. These two teams repeated the dose with a similar crowd in Perth 12 months later in 2012.

In the same year, Manly and the Warriors played in front of a crowd of 20,095. South Sydney took the Warriors to Perth in 2013 and played in front of a crowd of 20,221. The two teams achieved similar numbers in 2014 and 2015. These events, played in front of a full house, looked outstanding on television. The atmosphere was pulsating and the fans were tremendous.

South Sydney have done a tremendous job not only in developing a support base for themselves in Western Australia, but in rekindling the interest of the locals for our game. One can only imagine that if they were given their own team to support, the potential would be enormous.

It makes sense for the NRL to test the true potential of Perth by taking an Origin fixture to the city. Outside of the eastern states, it is really the only other Australian city I see as being capable of sustaining a viable NRL franchise any time into the future.

The only proviso I would make is that it would have to be a team of their own and not a team relocated from somewhere on this side of the country.

As to whether Perth deserves to be a part of the NRL competition, only time will tell.

But if you never, never go, you'll never, never know.

Phil Gould is general manager of Penrith Panthers.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...for-the-game-in-the-west-20160716-gq79z7.html
 

gallagher

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Manly v Warriors didn't get me to the game this year, won't next year or the next either. The NRL should be the ones scheduling games here and not just leaving it to the clubs.
The crowds that turn up are league fans, not curious AFL fans so they need to schedule some quality games to entice the fans to go.
 

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Rumour was correct, double header at nib stadium. Union fans are whinging that at the "rugby" World Cup local coverage lol

Heres some of coverage

THE draw for the 2017 Rugby League World Cup has been officially released with Perth’s nib Stadium to host a double-header on November 12.

Game one of the double-header will consist of two European qualifiers, followed by the Wayne Bennett-coached England taking on rivals France.

NRL WA CEO John Sackson said it was fantastic news for league fans in the west.

“It’s a reflection of the NRL’s ongoing investment in the WA market,” Sackson told PerthNow.

“We’ve got the historic Australia versus New Zealand Test later this year (on October 15), which is the first ever international played in Perth, then Game 2 of the State of Origin in 2019.

“It’s a really exciting time for the sport in WA.”

“In planning this Tournament, the Organising Committee made a deliberate decision to take the Rugby League World Cup to more fans than any World Cup has done before. With the support of the Western Australia Government, we will give fans in Perth the opportunity to attend the World Cup and experience what will be a festival of Rugby League,” Rugby League World Cup 2017 CEO Michael Brown said.




http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/nr...-stadium-to-host-doubleheader-on-november-12/
 

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