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Would you prefer they not try and talk to him? You complain about them not trying and then complain about them trying.

At least it’s something. I think it will be a stretch that Forrest will commit and yes he seems rugby through and through. But I also think he is just realizing how badly run aus rugby is and that their future is looking bleak. also with all the money he has used to fund an entire competition/ and will continue to do so for a long long time, is a long way from a business board room. He is also a proud WA businessman. And being able to support/fund a Perth team in a nsw/qld dominant code would not only be good business sense for his current endeavors but also for the wa people that want a nrl side.

I’d rather they had a plan and were talking with a degree of legitimacy to the likes of puddy and Cumins and eveN Holmes a court who have all shown to be backers of RL and are far more likely to back a perth club. For the tenth time Forest is a union man with no interest in RL, it would have been a short conversation!
 

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I’d rather they had a plan and were talking with a degree of legitimacy to the likes of puddy and Cumins and eveN Holmes a court who have all shown to be backers of RL and are far more likely to back a perth club. For the tenth time Forest is a union man with no interest in RL, it would have been a short conversation!

I guess only time will tell.
 

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If ever it was going to happen it should have been when Force where booted and before twiggy sunk tens of millions into his Comp. If they had gone to him next day and offered to put Force in the nrl that could have been very interesting! Given force are owned by the WA union it would probably never have happened but might have opened the door to Twiggy getting into league rather than throwing his money down the drain with the current farce. He’s now committed and wont back down.
 

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Why the time is right for rugby league to plant a flag and start a new NRL team in Perth


The Western Australian Rugby League says Perth is ready for an NRL team.

With State of Origin fever gripping the city, The Daily Telegraph can reveal a global company, Cash Converters, would consider injecting around $8 million to push the bid of a Perth team.

As rugby league goalposts were hoisted on to Optus Stadium yesterday for Origin II is front and centre in this AFL-mad city — backed by hefty support from the West Australian Government,

Cash Converters was the original major sponsor of the defunct Western Reds and has remained financially involved in rugby league in Perth.

The ARL Commission is yet to formally seek interest for expansion, but Perth has been deemed a robust chance, along with Brisbane.

While refusing to discuss the financial logistics, Cash Converters would be prepared to outlay $2m-$3m in sponsorship and around $5m to be part of a consortium.

WARL chief executive John Sackson said Cash Converters would be “vital part of any consortium”.

Cash Converters global executive deputy chairman Peter Cumins wants to see a team back in Perth.

“From a sponsorship point of view, there is definitely an interest from our company,” Cumins said.

“I know there is sponsorship money in West Australia, the state is still going strong from an economic point of view.

“Whenever we get the opportunity to watch a decent game of rugby league, people in Perth come out in droves. There are all the ingredients there for success.

“(Our involvement) would depend on what structure is available. If it’s a privately owned franchise, we would certainly have an interest. If we didn’t get that opportunity, we would certainly be interested in sponsorship.”

The Perth bid for inclusion in an expanded NRL competition continues to attract heavyweight support.

“There is nothing going to accelerate the growth of rugby league in this state more than a sustainable successful franchise competing in an elite, national competition,” WARL boss Sackson said.

“There is a genuine appetite for rugby league over here. Origin will be another positive message to the commission in terms of the appeal of Perth.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...h/news-story/e572126f1668c1140a8600a886a2ffd9
 

Stormwarrior82

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If ever it was going to happen it should have been when Force where booted and before twiggy sunk tens of millions into his Comp. If they had gone to him next day and offered to put Force in the nrl that could have been very interesting! Given force are owned by the WA union it would probably never have happened but might have opened the door to Twiggy getting into league rather than throwing his money down the drain with the current farce. He’s now committed and wont back down.

Agree he has committed a lot of time and $$ but would a few million into a wa nrl team be that hard for him?

I Personally feel that twiggy trying to save WA force (after it was too late) and starting his Asian global rapid comp was more about him trying to be perceived a savior for the WA people and doubles up as giving him access to the Asian business market for all his business interests.

Maybe twiggys comp and the Asian/pacific cups could merge? Win/win for both. Highly unlikely I know but nrl would be stupid, even negligent if they don’t try and investigate if twiggy is interested.
 

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Seems everyone can see it except Toddles!


Perth also managed to but an explanation mark on the decade plus long years of support to rugby league that must be acknowledged by the games administration and should stamp Perth as the front runner for an expanded competition if the NRL chooses to actually become the National Rugby League, not just the East Coast rugby league (and New Zealand) which it is right now.

Western Australia has been campaigning hard for its own team having hosted the South Sydney Rabbitohs for ten years and staging an opening round double header at Optus Stadium last year, before an AFL fixture had even been scheduled.

The NRL must recognise this and not take Western Australia for granted.

It cannot use the WA Government as a cash cow and create false hope.

Perth has gone above and beyond to demonstrate it deserves a team so the rugby league administration should now be frank and open without leading it on delivering false hope.


https://www.watoday.com.au/national...s04DjuZUCWlgJe9p1H2jLV4Q4zdBzkBDZrWggSpR0MvWo
 

flippikat

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/no...brisbane-ripe-for-growth-20190623-p520gy.html

Roy Masters touches on it here. It’s obvious Brisbane 2 is a near certainty but a 9th game will be the negotiation tactic this next deal and twiggy could have a say on how that plays out?

I think you may have picked the strategy.

The NRL will make Brisbane 2 happen, because 17 teams with a similar footprint to now doesnt change the broadcasting profile too much.

It's still 8 games a weekend, there's no need to create a new timeslot for a 9th game (or run 2 simultaneous games), and it doesn't open a 9:30pm (eastern) timeslot.

Now that's pretty conservative stuff, but it's a fallback *if* broadcasters don't buy a 18 team competition with Perth & Brisbane 2. Not a great fallback, but something *somewhat* expansionary.

I think the NRL argument will be "We are going to have Brisbane 2 regardless.. but if you want a 9th game, we can add Perth too - and their home games solve half of the scheduling puzzle"
 

BuffaloRules

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When is this likely to happen? Perth NRL might be waiting a long time if this is what is required...

"Unless Twiggy finds another $200m, a second Brisbane team is ahead of Perth," was the observation of one ARL commissioner.
 

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Its a typical stupid thing you would expect an NRL administrator to say sadly. Why the frick would you be waiting to make an important strategic growth decision for a RU man to be willing to tip in $200mill? They could only sell the Knights and Titans for less than $10mill, an NRL club isnt worth $200mill lol

I really do despair at our games management. Cumins has already said hed be willing to either put in a few million as owner or sponsor the club significantly as a main sponsor. Puddy has said hed be willing to put in $millions. Why the f**k are they mentioning a guy who is bank rolling rugby union?

Either Masters is making sht up or our game really is screwed when it comes to expansion.
 

adamkungl

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"Unless Twiggy finds another $200m, a second Brisbane team is ahead of Perth," was the observation of one ARL commissioner.

This sport is painful.

Basketball Soccer and Tiddlywinks manage to have teams in Perth and Adelaide but good old Rugby League can't figure out how to get west of Canberra
 

The Great Dane

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Either Masters is making sht up or our game really is screwed when it comes to expansion.

Or he is taking the statements of one commissioner out of context and sensationalising them for clicks.

Which is making shit up in a sense, but journalists don’t see it that way.
 

mongoose

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This sport is painful.

Basketball Soccer and Tiddlywinks manage to have teams in Perth and Adelaide but good old Rugby League can't figure out how to get west of Canberra

it makes me wonder if there is some wider conspiracy to restrict RL to its heartland. Greenberg and Beattie just following orders from someone behind the scenes.
 

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Every now and then Matt Fuller closes his eyes and listens to the chant inside his head.

It’s Sunday, March 12, 1995, and 24,932 fans have the WACA packed tighter than a prop forward’s head tape for the Western Reds’ first ever game in the NSW Rugby League.

Fuller donned the No. 9 jersey as hooker that day, the first of 59 games that would become the club record in its short tenure at the elite level, as the Reds beat St George 28-16.

“It was loud and deafening and it inspired us in that first year. And it was a big reason why we won 11 games of 22. It was an unbelievable time,” Fuller says.

“There was a famous quote from our coach Pete Mulholland that it took us two years to get ready for the first game, then we had a week to get ready for the second game. That was very true, that’s exactly how it felt.”

After the high of round one, came the first road trip, to Newcastle.

“We led 10-nil early on and then get flogged (54-14), so back to earth,” Fuller says.

Fuller is one of a handful of players who remained in Perth after the team folded, just a year after it morphed into the Perth Reds as part of News Limited’s doomed Super League competition.

A quarter of a century later, 48-year-old Fuller will join most of his old Reds’ teammates for a reunion next Saturday at North Beach Rugby League Club. The get together coincides with Perth’s first ever State of Origin game, tomorrow week at Optus Stadium, just a penalty goal kick or two away from their old home ground.

Fuller reflects on the Reds’ turbulent history and makes a stunning call.

“If Super League hadn’t come in that side would have won a premiership,” he says.

“You only have to look at Melbourne Storm, who got most of our Junior Reds and a sprinkling of senior players like Rod Howe, Matt Geyer, Robbie Kearns and Wayne Evans. They won the premiership in one year (their second season) in 1999. They were given our blueprint, and a lot of our resources, because we’d folded.”

Fuller hopes Perth heeds the lessons of its first incarnation if it gets another full-time NRL team.

“When the ARL and Super League war started, the Reds at the time were supported by the ARL and they jumped ship. In hindsight, it was their death because the ARL wouldn’t take them back, even when the Super League war had finished,” he says.

“The Reds aligned themselves with Super League very early on for their survival, which probably shows they were bleeding financially and felt they could be propped up by News Limited.

“The only positive if there is one, is that the game became a lot stronger from it. Once the war finished, rugby league became stronger.”

The Western Reds’ financial model was doomed from day one. They had a $1.8 million salary cap and had to pay not only their only players, headed by big signings Brad MacKay and Mark Geyer, but visiting teams’ accommodation and air fares. By the time Super League came knocking, the Reds were haemorrhaging and had no choice but to sign on with the rival competition.

The schism might have led to the Reds’ downfall but Super League meant a windfall for players. Fuller’s salary went from $100,000 to $250,000 “overnight”.

“Financially it was great for players and I was about the seventh or eighth highest paid,” he says.

“I was on holidays in Mandurah and got a phone call saying come straight to the Burswood. I walked into a room and was told we were going to Super League and they gave us $30,000 that night just to sit down and talk with them.”

Mulholland, the inaugural coach and now a recruitment manager for Canberra Raiders, hopes to join his old charges for the reunion if health permits. He’s battling lymphoma and has been energised by the support from his rugby family.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/rugby-...ects-on-an-era-of-western-reds-ng-b881231646z
The WR25 was a great day out, well done to everyone involved.
 

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Perth is set to host more elite-level rugby league next year with a number of NRL clubs in discussions to host games in HBF Park.

As the city prepares for its first State of Origin game on Sunday, the Western Australia Rugby League is confident more elite content is on the horizon.

"There's discussions going on now with a number of NRL clubs in relation to playing games in Perth next year," WARL boss John Sackson told AAP.

At least one NRL game has been played in Western Australia each season since 2009, including last year's season-opening double-header at Optus Stadium.

South Sydney's relationship with the state government ended last year, however there remains an enormous appetite for rugby league in the city.

"Western Australia has demonstrated there's an appetite for rugby league.

"We increased grassroots participation here last year by 16.7 per cent, the biggest rise in the country in terms of year on year."

It is understood talks are also underway on Origin returning after 2021, with games scheduled for Adelaide then Melbourne over the next two years.

And West Australia tourism minister Paul Papalia said the state would also consider throwing their hat in the ring for the grand final in 2021.

"We're always interested in big events and there are few bigger than the NRL grand final," Papalia said.

"That is a big event and clearly we would be interested. I will ask my agency - Tourism Western Australia - to ask the NRL about it. I will ask them to look at it."

Perth has also been widely considered as a target for expansion, with a feasibility study set to be put in front of the ARL Commission by year's end.

With the current broadcast deal set to end in 2022, any potential start-up franchises would hope to have a couple of years to prepare to be included.

Sackson, who is on a working group for expansion, said Australian pawnbrokers Cash Converters have always been willing to support any bid from Perth.

Cash Converters were the sponsors for the defunct Western Reds.

"There's one guy that's been involved and in the trenches with us and rugby league here since day dot - Peter Cumins from Cash Converters," Sackson said.

"They're one of the biggest sponsors of the community game here.

"Peter himself was a 350-gamer for the Fremantle Roosters, so he's a dyed-in-the-wool rugby league man.

"He still holds a burning passion for a franchise to be here in Perth again, and he would want Cash Converters associated with such a franchise.

"He's a very astute and successful businessman, and he would be a centrepiece in any bid consortium."

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/perth-s...cVCCqnIZt9DKXuPQhly_Ifk72RGp0cX22dkXvjq0D5ZSn
 

flippikat

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Perth is set to host more elite-level rugby league next year with a number of NRL clubs in discussions to host games in HBF Park.

As the city prepares for its first State of Origin game on Sunday, the Western Australia Rugby League is confident more elite content is on the horizon.

"There's discussions going on now with a number of NRL clubs in relation to playing games in Perth next year," WARL boss John Sackson told AAP.

Great to see. Hopefully we get at least 2 or 3 games per season in Perth each year in the run-up to the Pirates joining the competition. I wonder what clubs are considering moving a home game to Perth? The Sharks would have to be in the mix, given that Shark Park will be under renovation soon.

We also need a couple of games per year in Adelaide, get them used to seeing NRL in person. Again, gearing up for a team there.. probably in the mid-late 2020s.
 
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