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Perth Red

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WA v Warriors, Broncos, St George, Souths would all be a top drawing game imo

having said that with it being our first game and all the hype that comes with that we will hopefully sell it out regardless of who we play.
 

Red&BlackBear

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I think it should be storm vs reds or raiders vs reds. Try and get a rivalry going between these teams and it will benefit all of them. Dragons vs reds would also be a good match up for round 1.
 

Billythekid

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The drop off occurred and they never averaged 16k, facts. But bare facts don't always tell the whole story and I've said twice that I accept that Super League was the reason.

If you accept it was the reason why even bring it up. You were implying in your original post that the drop in crowds was a concern, the people in this thread explained why it wasn't and was in fact in line with the rest of the comp.

Therefore your original point was wrong as i said it was.

As for it being stupidity, read all of the posts before you comment you tard.

I did read them and they completely disproved your bullsh*t.

Don't talk wank.

It's the truth whether you like it or not.

Where did I say they were crappy compared to other teams, ARL or Super League?

Go on, find where I said it and give your post a point.

As always you miss the point. You never did compare them and thats the whole problem. You tried to just look at perths crowds in isolation and ignore all other factors. If you had actually looked at other clubs crowds you would have understood why your post was so stupid.

So you think 20-40k for Sunday afternoon games are good ratings?

Of course I'm referring to recent figures. FFS.

I knew you were. I doubt 20-40K is any worse then what the wrestling and other sh*t they show rates. The games don't have to rate spectacularly to be worthwhile.

Who said they did involve a Perth team and were heavily advertised in Perth?

Again right over the top of your head, that was the whole point i was making. Perth doesn't have a team, games aren't advertised at all and they are scattered throughout they year. This is going to have an impact on ratings. However like with everything else you want to just ignore all other factors.

They were test pattern ratings.

You can call a turd a waffle if you like but its still a turd.

I never said the ratings were great. However they have all ready proven that the worst case scenario is that they would rate similar to what is already shown. However they wouldn't have to pay for extra content so it would still be beneficial.

Add in games involving Perth, some advertising and more regular scheduling and the ratings will no doubt go up.

The point has escaped you, totally.

If this isn't the pot calling the kettle black. You misunderstood pretty much everything i wrote and then tried to respond with a bunch of ad hominim attacks.

Your original post was nothing more then a troll and now you are backtracking because people called you on your BS.
 

BDGS

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I think it should be storm vs reds or raiders vs reds. Try and get a rivalry going between these teams and it will benefit all of them. Dragons vs reds would also be a good match up for round 1.

I agree.

I think WA's biggest two rivalries will be Brisbane and Melbourne.
 

dgsfan

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Why would Reds Dragons be a good draw over any other? Is there a pre existing rivalry when the Reds previously played?
 

flippikat

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Why would Reds Dragons be a good draw over any other? Is there a pre existing rivalry when the Reds previously played?

I think the Reds beat St George (as it was) back in 1995 in their first home game, so it would be a nice nod to that launch.
 

dimitri

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I think the Reds beat St George (as it was) back in 1995 in their first home game, so it would be a nice nod to that launch.

yeah thats true

Western Reds - were one of a select few clubs in recent years to win their first match

Former Dragons international, Brad Mackay was also a massive signing for the Reds, so was a good match up
 
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Also don't forget that's based on population, 60k in Perth is the equivalent of something like 300k in Sydney.

Sure, and I can make it look good too. The Swans are averaging sub 80k in Sydney, if we average 60k in Perth we're well up on them. And if we do, we are.v But it's still 60k per week and right now, there's nothing concrete to suggest we can get that.

To put it in perspective, that season total of 2 million is 2/3 of what we get for one Origin game nationally.

The point is that there is a confidence in this thread that is based on not a lot..
 
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You can't say "I understand that most of that can be attributed to Super League though", and then follow that up in a subsequent post with "A 13k average to an 8k average is quite a drop-off, don't you think?"

Huh?

It is quite a drop-off and Super League did affect the Reds' crowds.

Bare facts are bare facts.

The reason behind the drop is relevant in this argument but doesn't change the actual figures.

Either crowds from the orginal Western Reds at the height of the super league war are relevant, or they are not. you can't have it both ways.

Of course you can.

There were circumstances in 1996/1997 that were quite unique and affected every club's attendances.

The point was, and it's been lost, that the article stated that the Reds had a 16k crowd average at the WACA and they never had anywhere near that.

And i still can't see how the ratings could have been expected to be anything other than awful with erratic non-regular coverage at the best of times.

So, we should ignore the actual ratings and go with perth red's guess?

He wouldn't know if you were up him.
 
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good to see they had a rise of 500 people per game from 96 to 97 though. one can only wonder where they would be now if we had of stuck to them, who knows, they could have won a number of premierships, averaged crowds above 20k, produced countless juniors, added tens of millions to our last tv deal, developed a rivallry with the storm which could of eventually led to a wa v vic origin game, introduced hundreds of thousands of new fans to rugby league. but no, we did the typical rugby league thing and put them in the too hard basket and pulled out. our sport could be so much bigger if we had some vision!

Not disagreeing with your sentiment, we should have stuck with the Reds.

But seriously, a WA v Vic Origin?
 
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If you accept it was the reason why even bring it up. You were implying in your original post that the drop in crowds was a concern, the people in this thread explained why it wasn't and was in fact in line with the rest of the comp.

I didn't imply sh*t.

I posted the actual attendances in response to an incorrect statement made in a posted article.

It wasn't my opinion, it was just plain, bald fact.

Therefore your original point was wrong as i said it was.

My original point was that there was an article that was posted where some idiot claimed that the Reds averaged 16k at the WACA when they didn't.

So you're saying that they did are you?

I did read them and they completely disproved your bullsh*t.

So, you read them and came up with the "fact" that the Reds did average 16k at the WACA?

Good trick.

It's the truth whether you like it or not.

errr, no it isn't.

As always you miss the point.

Look at my first post after the article was posted and then tell me who missed the point.

It's on page 16 and the article is on page 15. They haven't magically disappeared.

You never did compare them and thats the whole problem. You tried to just look at perths crowds in isolation and ignore all other factors. If you had actually looked at other clubs crowds you would have understood why your post was so stupid.

Who ignored "other factors"?

How many times do I have to say that their crowds were affected by Super League to appease you?

10?

The point is, was, and always will be that they never averaged 16k at the WACA.

I knew you were. I doubt 20-40K is any worse then what the wrestling and other sh*t they show rates. The games don't have to rate spectacularly to be worthwhile.

Who said they did?

Again right over the top of your head, that was the whole point i was making. Perth doesn't have a team, games aren't advertised at all and they are scattered throughout they year. This is going to have an impact on ratings.

Thanks Captain Obvious.

However like with everything else you want to just ignore all other factors.

Like what?

FFS... lol

I never said the ratings were great. However they have all ready proven that the worst case scenario is that they would rate similar to what is already shown.

20k

If the Reds rate 20k into Perth they'll be the biggest waste of money in the game since Super League.

But they won't.

However they wouldn't have to pay for extra content so it would still be beneficial.

Good god.

Add in games involving Perth, some advertising and more regular scheduling and the ratings will no doubt go up.

Really?

You think?

If this isn't the pot calling the kettle black. You misunderstood pretty much everything i wrote and then tried to respond with a bunch of ad hominim attacks.

No, you misunderstood the point from the start because you didn't, and still haven't, acquainted yourself with what the point was....

Ad hominim .... lmao

Your original post was nothing more then a troll and now you are backtracking because people called you on your BS.

It was anything but a troll. Here it is;

Obviously an ex-AFL man.

The Reds didn't average 16,500 at the WACA. It was a lot closer to 10k.

Try again.
 
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Perth Red

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EA adds yet another valuable contribution to this message board.

Back to more important things......

Does anyone belong to a supporters group of their club ie Legion, CSSC, Crusade etc? Wondering if they have a membership fee for these groups?
 

BDGS

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Why would Reds Dragons be a good draw over any other? Is there a pre existing rivalry when the Reds previously played?

the reason posted above but also because the Dragons are one of the most famous Rugby League brands.

EA adds yet another valuable contribution to this message board.

Back to more important things......

Does anyone belong to a supporters group of their club ie Legion, CSSC, Crusade etc? Wondering if they have a membership fee for these groups?

Depends on the group. Bulldogs army nope, the Kennel yes. The Kennel is done by the club.

I know of supporters group that have a fee and others that don't.
 
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Perth Red

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I'm also looking for websites of other supporters groups if anyone knows any, I've found the Crusaders and Legion so far.
 

BDGS

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WA Rabbitohs fans (off facebook)

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Perth Red

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There's heaps of Bunny stickers on cars here. Their WA membership drive seems to be paying off for them.
 

Red&BlackBear

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There are heaps of bunnie stickers everywhere. Even in qld you see more cars with bunnie stickers than with titans or cowboys stickers.
 

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