West Coast Pirates Bid News

[hutch]

Not disagreeing with your sentiment, we should have stuck with the Reds.

But seriously, a WA v Vic Origin?

might sound a bit far fetched at the moment, but what do we do when melbourne start producing elite rugby league players? there are already quite a few players from western australia in the nrl, what happens when the next billy slater or greg inglis doesnt come from nsw or qld? i would hate to see them represent the blues or maroons. the only options that i see are having wa v vic before the nsw v qld origin game (has to be better then some nsw v qld police game or under 16 game), having nsw and qld 'adopt' states (victorians play for qld, wa for nsw for example), or having those players miss out on origin altogether.

having wa v victoria play before every origin match could lead into something bigger in the future, although the games currently obviously wouldnt exactly be world class. wa could only call on 3 or 4 nrl players, some sg ball players and locals, whereas melbourne have only nsw cup, toyota cup, sg ball and local players. wouldnt have a clue who would win though! perhaps the game could be played as a curtain raiser to the next origin game in melbourne, it would give the crowd someone to cheer for!

 

[Spitty]

I think you'll find that those particular players will do what most polynesian players do. They'll change allegiances to either NSW or Qld (or NZ) so that they can play in 'the big games'. A shame but most likely a reality.

 

[Billythekid]

Try again.

This whole reply was based on nothing more than semantics. You're right i wasn't responding to your original post i was replying to the one where you said the drop in crowds was a concern.

You haven't disputed anything i said and there is no way i am repeating everything i have just typed.

 

[applesauce]

might sound a bit far fetched at the moment, but what do we do when melbourne start producing elite rugby league players? there are already quite a few players from western australia in the nrl, what happens when the next billy slater or greg inglis doesnt come from nsw or qld? i would hate to see them represent the blues or maroons. the only options that i see are having wa v vic before the nsw v qld origin game (has to be better then some nsw v qld police game or under 16 game), having nsw and qld 'adopt' states (victorians play for qld, wa for nsw for example), or having those players miss out on origin altogether.

having wa v victoria play before every origin match could lead into something bigger in the future, although the games currently obviously wouldnt exactly be world class. wa could only call on 3 or 4 nrl players, some sg ball players and locals, whereas melbourne have only nsw cup, toyota cup, sg ball and local players. wouldnt have a clue who would win though! perhaps the game could be played as a curtain raiser to the next origin game in melbourne, it would give the crowd someone to cheer for!

I would prefer to see a NZ v Pacific Islands game before each SOO (Every NSW SOO would also sell out no matter what the QLD v NSW series score is).

Polynesians make up a far, far, far greater percentage of players than WA or VIC will in the next 20+years.

Leading on with Spitty's point if this was to happen it will help stop many NZ and Pacific Island born players from playing for QLD/NSW/AUS, while also strengthening the minnow nation teams like Tonga & Samoa as they would have quality players pledging allegiances to them by playing for the Pacific Islands' team.

But I digress this is a WA Bid Thread...

 

[Southern Rooster]

yeah thats true

Western Reds - were one of a select few clubs in recent years to win their first match

Former Dragons international, Brad Mackay was also a massive signing for the Reds, so was a good match up

I believe the only expansion sides to have won first up were Cronulla, Brisbane, Western Reds and Melbourne. Wests Tigers had a draw.

 

[BDGS]

I would prefer to see a NZ v Pacific Islands game before each SOO (Every NSW SOO would also sell out no matter what the QLD v NSW series score is).

Polynesians make up a far, far, far greater percentage of players than WA or VIC will in the next 20+years.

Leading on with Spitty's point if this was to happen it will help stop many NZ and Pacific Island born players from playing for QLD/NSW/AUS, while also strengthening the minnow nation teams like Tonga & Samoa as they would have quality players pledging allegiances to them by playing for the Pacific Islands' team.

But I digress this is a WA Bid Thread...

It would be better to play that game in NZ twice a year and once in a different pacific island country each year.

 

[Southern Rooster]

might sound a bit far fetched at the moment, but what do we do when melbourne start producing elite rugby league players? there are already quite a few players from western australia in the nrl, what happens when the next billy slater or greg inglis doesnt come from nsw or qld? i would hate to see them represent the blues or maroons. the only options that i see are having wa v vic before the nsw v qld origin game (has to be better then some nsw v qld police game or under 16 game), having nsw and qld 'adopt' states (victorians play for qld, wa for nsw for example), or having those players miss out on origin altogether.

having wa v victoria play before every origin match could lead into something bigger in the future, although the games currently obviously wouldnt exactly be world class. wa could only call on 3 or 4 nrl players, some sg ball players and locals, whereas melbourne have only nsw cup, toyota cup, sg ball and local players. wouldnt have a clue who would win though! perhaps the game could be played as a curtain raiser to the next origin game in melbourne, it would give the crowd someone to cheer for!

The option is to make Australia v New Zealand the number ONE representative game of the season and play it three times and have only the one Origin game. Representing your country must be the highest honour for any sport and rugby league should not be the exception but at present it is. Australia v NZ have been great games for the past 4 or so years now.

 

[Quidgybo]

The option is to make Australia v New Zealand the number ONE representative game of the season and play it three times and have only the one Origin game.

You're mad. I have no problem with making Australia vs New Zealand the number one rep game/series or with playing it three times but to screw with Origin, the single most successful concept in perhaps the game's entire history, is just plain madness. The international game has to command the number one title on its own merits, not by hobbling the competition. The Tri-Nations concept has for the first time in 30 years given the international game a chance to do just that. I really don't see why you'd want to go back to the old three test series just when things are heading in the right direction for the international game.

Leigh

 

[The Tank]

The option is to make Australia v New Zealand the number ONE representative game of the season and play it three times and have only the one Origin game. Representing your country must be the highest honour for any sport and rugby league should not be the exception but at present it is. Australia v NZ have been great games for the past 4 or so years now.

I agree about a 3 Test series between Australia and NZ but to mess with Origin would be stupid. It's perfect as it is.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

And to add a three test series to the calender would eat into the NRL competition, something the clubs will not allow.

I think we should stick to the 4Nations, its giving England the chance get back on the big stage. Of the 3 countries we are strong in, England is the one with the most potential to draw in more money. In RU, money is made by tours to the northern hemisphere rather then the south.

Right now, Aus vs NZ is at a almost even level of competitiveness. If Aus vs Eng and NZ vs Eng can become just as competitive again, that's an extra block buster games and another MASSIVE market that can be sold. The interest levels will be much much higher then a 3 test series between Aus vs NZ.

 

[LeagueXIII]

I would have thought England v NZ is even......afterall the English beat them last year to knock them out of the 4 Nations.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

I would have thought England v NZ is even......afterall the English beat them last year to knock them out of the 4 Nations.

With all due respect to the English, but I think that if NZ learn to be more consistent with their performances, like Australia are, England will find wins against NZ as rare as they are against Australia.

 

[hutch]

With all due respect to the English, but I think that if NZ learn to be more consistent with their performances, like Australia are, England will find wins against NZ as rare as they are against Australia.

thats like to saying if england learn to be more consistent with their performances, they will find wins against nz more common though. there is not all that much between them at all!

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

thats like to saying if england learn to be more consistent with their performances, they will find wins against nz more common though. there is not all that much between them at all!

Before we complicate things, if England and New Zealand become as consistent as Australia, I don't believe that the style of play that is in the Super League will allow England to produce a national side that can consistently beat a NZ or Australian side made from players in the NRL unless the Australian and NZ teams become inconsistent themselves. Its an opinion, I know and I cant prove it other then my observations on why the English struggle against Aus and NZ.

The gap isn't that big compared to the gap between England and France, but it is big enough to almost automatically swing favouritism towards Australia and New Zealand.

I believe that changes need to be made in the Super League for the English to produce a team that can regularly beat Australia.

Probably best for another thread. Back to the Reds.

 

[applesauce]

It would be better to play that game in NZ twice a year and once in a different pacific island country each year.

I agree in many ways and see where you are coming from.

But is the SOO spectacle that cause the polynesians to pledge allegiances with QLD or NSW... It would also take the event to another level with huge ratings in NZ and across the pacific with sell outs no matter what.

 

[Perth Red]

can you please take this discussion to the SOO board, thanks.

to get it back on topic:

the start of 2011 is going to be very important for the Reds bid. We have targeted 5000 members and need the support of all NRL fans to get behind us. For just $30 you can show your support for growing our great game, and get a cool cap and keyring!

details here:
http://www.warugbyleague.com.au/data/client/files/1320_wa_reds_membership_packages_2011.pdf

form:
http://www.warugbyleague.com.au/data/client/files/1322_wa_reds_membership.pdf

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Why not? It could very well give an incentive for Victorian's and Western Australian's to follow and play Rugby League.

The biggest mistake AFL ever made was to expand State of Origin which killed it. If we can learn anything from them, it's that.

Plus, a SOO involving another state (other than NSW and Qld) wouldn't be anywhere near ready for decades.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

might sound a bit far fetched at the moment, but what do we do when melbourne start producing elite rugby league players? there are already quite a few players from western australia in the nrl, what happens when the next billy slater or greg inglis doesnt come from nsw or qld? i would hate to see them represent the blues or maroons. the only options that i see are having wa v vic before the nsw v qld origin game (has to be better then some nsw v qld police game or under 16 game), having nsw and qld 'adopt' states (victorians play for qld, wa for nsw for example), or having those players miss out on origin altogether.

having wa v victoria play before every origin match could lead into something bigger in the future, although the games currently obviously wouldnt exactly be world class. wa could only call on 3 or 4 nrl players, some sg ball players and locals, whereas melbourne have only nsw cup, toyota cup, sg ball and local players. wouldnt have a clue who would win though! perhaps the game could be played as a curtain raiser to the next origin game in melbourne, it would give the crowd someone to cheer for!

See my last post.

I don't mind the Ball, Toyota Cup idea though, would be a good curtain raiser to Origin.

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

This whole reply was based on nothing more than semantics. You're right i wasn't responding to your original post i was replying to the one where you said the drop in crowds was a concern.

You haven't disputed anything i said and there is no way i am repeating everything i have just typed.

Everything you said was based on posts you made without reading the original post I made which was just simply pointing out a lie in an article.

 

[BDGS]

can you please take this discussion to the SOO board, thanks.

to get it back on topic:

the start of 2011 is going to be very important for the Reds bid. We have targeted 5000 members and need the support of all NRL fans to get behind us. For just $30 you can show your support for growing our great game, and get a cool cap and keyring!

details here:
http://www.warugbyleague.com.au/data/client/files/1320_wa_reds_membership_packages_2011.pdf

form:
http://www.warugbyleague.com.au/data/client/files/1322_wa_reds_membership.pdf

There is that magic number again.