West Coast Pirates Bid News

[Perth Red]

Best of luck to WA Jnr Jackson Topine who makes his nrl debut today. Been hearing good things about the former Ellenbrook Rabbitoh jnr for a long time. He starred for the WA schoolboys side in the state cup comp and was picked up by bulldogs jnr development team from there.

 

[Perth Tiger]

Best of luck to WA Jnr Jackson Topine who makes his nrl debut today. Been hearing good things about the former Ellenbrook Rabbitoh jnr for a long time. He starred for the WA schoolboys side in the state cup comp and was picked up by bulldogs jnr development team from there.

Is he a WA junior? during the call they were going on about him being a local Canterbury junior?

 

[Perth Red]

Is he a WA junior? during the call they were going on about him being a local Canterbury junior?

they would lol. He played for north beach sea Eagles then his parents were part of a group that set up the Ellenbrook Rabbitohs and he played for them. He was part of the Pirates development squad at 15 and represented WA in the schoolboys state Comp and moved to Sydney at 16/17 and played in their system from then. He was in Bulldogs sg ball side. I guess it comes down to how you define a jnr, he started playing in the WA system and was snapped up and moved to Sydney for his nrl dream. Shame he isn’t debuting for the WC Pirates in front of his family and friends!

 

[Dragonwest]

they would lol. He played for north beach sea Eagles then his parents were part of a group that set up the Ellenbrook Rabbitohs and he played for them. He was part of the Pirates development squad at 15 and represented WA in the schoolboys state Comp and moved to Sydney at 16/17 and played in their system from then. He was in Bulldogs sg ball side. I guess it comes down to how you define a jnr, he started playing in the WA system and was snapped up and moved to Sydney for his nrl dream. Shame he isn’t debuting for the WC Pirates in front of his family and friends!

North Beach / Ellenbrook Junior

 

[Perth Red]

Good enough to take our states money but not good enough for a club, screw you Vlandys.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/04/21/origin-heading-west-again-perth-to-host-game-in-2022/

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Good enough to take our states money but not good enough for a club, screw you Vlandys.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/04/21/origin-heading-west-again-perth-to-host-game-in-2022/

You have every right to be upset. You've fought tirelessly for RL in Perth, which is admirable. The game would be better if it had men like you running it.

 

[Perth Red]

When Abdo rang the premier should have said “thanks but there’s no point wasting money on rusted on east coast competitions”!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

When Abdo rang the premier should have said “thanks but there’s no point wasting money on rusted on east coast competitions”!

The way the NSWRL-led ARL use Origin as a cash cow is an attack on Queensland. They're always saying the GF has to be in Sydney due to "tradition", yet they take Origin around the country even though it was traditionally played at Lang Park because QRL invented it and NSWRL didn't want it. The losers from the Sydney media said Queenslanders were stupid and crazy for wanting Origin and the idiots predicted it would die after 1 year. That's the mentality of the NSWRL and its fans.

Until recently, they would rig series in NSW's favour by having the 3rd game in Brisbane and the 2nd one in Sydney when they took a game to Adelaide, Melbourne or Perth.

 

[MugaB]

You have every right to be upset. You've fought tirelessly for RL in Perth, which is admirable. The game would be better if it had men like you running it.

BWAHAHAHahaga hhahaha you're an idiot

 

[MugaB]

Good enough to take our states money but not good enough for a club, screw you Vlandys.

https://www.nrl.com/news/2021/04/21/origin-heading-west-again-perth-to-host-game-in-2022/

I don't remember Vlandys taking state of origin to perth in 2019, Adelaide in 2020, that was all decided before he was the chairman, so im not sure why you blame him specifically, if anything he wasn't impressed with the perth 9s, and that wasn't coz of Perth itself, more to do with the way it was set up, which most of us agreed the days were rubbish, besides, your more upset that your city is good enough for crowds, but not as a 1st grade team.
The Reds would have been a stand out team had they not been cut so early in their run, but getting up and running with consistent marquee talent in a far away state and not really heartland area for RL,(and yes they play, but even usa play, dont mean they are exceptional at it) its the only reason perth gets bumped, not the travel, or timeslots, or any other metrics you can come up with, its simply they (local juniors) aren't upto nrl reserve grade standard yet, and there's no knock on them for that, theirs always a few exceptional talents stem from WA, but the whole team had to be competitive at a reserve grade level, or theyll just be cannon fodder. Melbourne are the blueprint for Perth, not just because of the AFL are there, but because of the depth of local talent, isn't the same as Nsw, Qld, Nz & P.Is, victoria has a long way to go, and Perth is on track to be better than Melbourne, as far as junior systems, but until the pirates show consistent wins, perth will be a while.
Perth Expansion will come moreso in about 5 to 10 years, after B2 and NZ2, the NRL will have no choice but to put a team there, as a 2mil pop market in the west is sily not to atleast try, but if the pirates aren't atleast being competitive at SG ball level, instead of the blow outs the past years have been then the NRL will use perth as exhibition matches only.

To put it in perspective out of the 24 junior clubs in and around Perth, if you pick the best players from those teams put them into one 30 man squad, (or even 60 man for a reserve grade team too) could that perth team beat an QLD cup Ipswich jets team? I would say no, coz they could even beat central coast centurions, and managed one draw, nearly every game has been a colossal blow out, manlys juniors put 60 points on them, that shouldn't happen to anyone, thats why qld is looked upon heavily for expansion, its already feeding Melbourne, it shoukd be feeding itself really, and Perth just needs to improve at junior level before a license get given otherwise they'll have another gold coast cellar dweller on their hands
(Btw Gold Coast have a really good anount of junior catchments, just never could convert that into top flight talent)

 

[mongoose]

I think the Storm's lack of local juniors and pathways has really hurt Perth's chances of getting a team. People want to see these non heartland areas develop talent but the Storm have failed badly in this regard. So now the NRL is bearish about putting a team in Perth.

 

[Perth Red]

I think the Storm's lack of local juniors and pathways has really hurt Perth's chances of getting a team. People want to see these non heartland areas develop talent but the Storm have failed badly in this regard. So now the NRL is bearish about putting a team in Perth.

I doubt it’s got anything to do with it tbh. Storm have done an outstanding job turning kids into nrl stars. Who cares where they were born? It’s not the 1980’s NSWRL!

vlandys can’t see past suburban Sydney and the NRL does not have a strategic goal to a national competition. Until Vlandys goes and the NRL realises the only way it will keep up with afl is to grow the perth has no chance sadly, no matter how many jnrs make it to first grade.

 

[Perth Red]

Origin to return to Perth in 2022, NRL insists back not turned on WA despite lack of expansion side


The NRL insists its decision to take the second State of Origin back to Perth in 2022 shows it has not turned its back on the game’s future in Western Australia.

Origin in Perth was seen as a success in 2019 when it sold-out the 60,000 seat Optus Stadium, at a time where expansion into the city was seen as a possibility.

Since then though, the NRL has made clear that Brisbane is its priority for a 17th team, with Peter V’landys also questioning later that year why money would be spent in AFL states.

But former chairman and current commissioner Peter Beattie maintained on Wednesday the door was not fully shut on the state.

Instead, he claimed that Origin would help build a foundation for the game to potentially one day expand with it.

“Forget about all the chatter, words are cheap, actions mean something,” Beattie said.

“We are committed to rugby league in Western Australia. The fact we are bringing our premium product here next year demonstrates that.

“We want every little boy and every girl in this state to think about rugby league.

“As it grows then the opportunities grow. It’s the national rugby league, we are growing it by building our best product here.”

The state’s league officials still hold hope of eventually having the NRL’s 18th team.

Western Australia’s rugby league numbers have long been on the rise, and in 2019 before COVID-19 the state had only around 100 fewer registered players than in Victoria.

That comes despite the Storm having been playing in Melbourne since 1998, while Perth’s only team fell victim to the Super League war in 1997.

Beattie maintained on Wednesday that Queensland was the right move for the next team, but insisted the game was still focused on a national footprint.

“We are building our base and then we go from there,” he said.

“The 17th team will be in Queensland, a decision will be made mid-year. Then after that we will just see, we are trying to build a national game.

“That’s why we;’re back here. We’re not fly-by-nighters, this is the second time we’ve been here.

“We want to build it up with these kids seeing their heroes.”

Meanwhile the move comes with the series-opener already locked in for Melbourne this year, while Adelaide has been confirmed as a host for a match in 2023.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/rugby-league/state-of-origin-returns-to-perth-in-2022-c-2650006

 

[Perth Red]

NRL commissioner Peter Beattie says WA is years away from its own expansion team

National Rugby league commissioner Peter Beattie says WA is several years away from having its own team in an expanded competition.

Beattie, speaking at the launch of State of Origin returning to Perth in 2022 - after the blockbuster clash made its Perth debut two years ago - confirmed there was no expansion timeline beyond a second Queensland side.

“We’ve never hidden that. It’s very simple, we are building our base and then we go from there,” Beattie said.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/rugby-...ay-from-its-own-expansion-team-ng-b881852528z

 

[ReddFelon]

I don't remember Vlandys taking state of origin to perth in 2019, Adelaide in 2020, that was all decided before he was the chairman, so im not sure why you blame him specifically, if anything he wasn't impressed with the perth 9s, and that wasn't coz of Perth itself, more to do with the way it was set up, which most of us agreed the days were rubbish, besides, your more upset that your city is good enough for crowds, but not as a 1st grade team.
The Reds would have been a stand out team had they not been cut so early in their run, but getting up and running with consistent marquee talent in a far away state and not really heartland area for RL,(and yes they play, but even usa play, dont mean they are exceptional at it) its the only reason perth gets bumped, not the travel, or timeslots, or any other metrics you can come up with, its simply they (local juniors) aren't upto nrl reserve grade standard yet, and there's no knock on them for that, theirs always a few exceptional talents stem from WA, but the whole team had to be competitive at a reserve grade level, or theyll just be cannon fodder. Melbourne are the blueprint for Perth, not just because of the AFL are there, but because of the depth of local talent, isn't the same as Nsw, Qld, Nz & P.Is, victoria has a long way to go, and Perth is on track to be better than Melbourne, as far as junior systems, but until the pirates show consistent wins, perth will be a while.
Perth Expansion will come moreso in about 5 to 10 years, after B2 and NZ2, the NRL will have no choice but to put a team there, as a 2mil pop market in the west is sily not to atleast try, but if the pirates aren't atleast being competitive at SG ball level, instead of the blow outs the past years have been then the NRL will use perth as exhibition matches only.

To put it in perspective out of the 24 junior clubs in and around Perth, if you pick the best players from those teams put them into one 30 man squad, (or even 60 man for a reserve grade team too) could that perth team beat an QLD cup Ipswich jets team? I would say no, coz they could even beat central coast centurions, and managed one draw, nearly every game has been a colossal blow out, manlys juniors put 60 points on them, that shouldn't happen to anyone, thats why qld is looked upon heavily for expansion, its already feeding Melbourne, it shoukd be feeding itself really, and Perth just needs to improve at junior level before a license get given otherwise they'll have another gold coast cellar dweller on their hands
(Btw Gold Coast have a really good anount of junior catchments, just never could convert that into top flight talent)

New Zealand 2 isn't happening. There is no money or interest in anyone involved in NZRL operating a second team. This has been said by the NZRL multiple times.

 

[MugaB]

New Zealand 2 isn't happening. There is no money or interest in anyone involved in NZRL operating a second team. This has been said by the NZRL multiple times.

Why would they be running it?
If NRL want a team there, they'll put a team there

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I think the Storm's lack of local juniors and pathways has really hurt Perth's chances of getting a team. People want to see these non heartland areas develop talent but the Storm have failed badly in this regard. So now the NRL is bearish about putting a team in Perth.

I've said that in the past. I think it comes down to our game basing its decisions on a) the whims of the broadcasters who provide the bulk of the game's revenue and b) Sydney selfishly controlling the scene to ensure its small and unsustainable clubs can pretend they belong in a national competition.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Origin to return to Perth in 2022, NRL insists back not turned on WA despite lack of expansion side


The NRL insists its decision to take the second State of Origin back to Perth in 2022 shows it has not turned its back on the game’s future in Western Australia.

Origin in Perth was seen as a success in 2019 when it sold-out the 60,000 seat Optus Stadium, at a time where expansion into the city was seen as a possibility.

Since then though, the NRL has made clear that Brisbane is its priority for a 17th team, with Peter V’landys also questioning later that year why money would be spent in AFL states.

But former chairman and current commissioner Peter Beattie maintained on Wednesday the door was not fully shut on the state.

Instead, he claimed that Origin would help build a foundation for the game to potentially one day expand with it.

“Forget about all the chatter, words are cheap, actions mean something,” Beattie said.

“We are committed to rugby league in Western Australia. The fact we are bringing our premium product here next year demonstrates that.

“We want every little boy and every girl in this state to think about rugby league.

“As it grows then the opportunities grow. It’s the national rugby league, we are growing it by building our best product here.”

The state’s league officials still hold hope of eventually having the NRL’s 18th team.

Western Australia’s rugby league numbers have long been on the rise, and in 2019 before COVID-19 the state had only around 100 fewer registered players than in Victoria.

That comes despite the Storm having been playing in Melbourne since 1998, while Perth’s only team fell victim to the Super League war in 1997.

Beattie maintained on Wednesday that Queensland was the right move for the next team, but insisted the game was still focused on a national footprint.

“We are building our base and then we go from there,” he said.

“The 17th team will be in Queensland, a decision will be made mid-year. Then after that we will just see, we are trying to build a national game.

“That’s why we;’re back here. We’re not fly-by-nighters, this is the second time we’ve been here.

“We want to build it up with these kids seeing their heroes.”

Meanwhile the move comes with the series-opener already locked in for Melbourne this year, while Adelaide has been confirmed as a host for a match in 2023.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/rugby-league/state-of-origin-returns-to-perth-in-2022-c-2650006

I never thought I would say this, but thank God for Peter Beattie!

I just hope he's not stringing Perth RL fans along. I think Perth deserves its own team. I'd go as far as to put the 17th team in Perth under the provision the Queensland Gov build a stadium in Moreton Bay so the Dolphins can become the 18th team, with Lang Park and the new stadium hosting Magic Round until 2050, but fat chance of that happening.

 

[Perth Red]

I know people don’t like him as a pollie but I believe if Beattie had stayed chairman, and we hadn’t had covid, we would be seeing Brisbane2 and perth coming in together sooner rather than later. He came in saying the nrl needed to expand and then instructed The nrl exec to commission a proper feasibility study, only person who has actually done something genuine to look at how we would do it,

 

[Mark B]

IMHO, the Bronco’s biggest reason for going from the penthouse to the outhouse has been due to the Storm. Without Qld, the Storm would have been so so instead of highly successful. The Titans are finally realising that identifying local Qld talent at a young age will ensure the clubs future success. The Storm have excelled at it since about 2004. Throw in a few solid first graders and a very good system and coach and the rest is history.

Prior to the development of players such as Smith, Slater etc they also had the advantage of picking up the cream of the Super League players from clubs that folded as part of the peace agreement. Kimmorley, Scott Hill, Robbie Kearns, Robbie Ross, Rodney Howe and especially Tawira Nikau and Glenn Lazarus. The Storm made the most of what was on the table after SL. When those players started to fall by the wayside they concentrated on talent ID of Qld players from a young age.

Yes, there was the cheating of the salary cap but they have still remained successful. Prior to that the Broncos had a monopoly on the pick of Qld juniors, very good systems and coach and a multi millionaire backer via third party deals. That is no longer the case.
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Does WA have the same ability and opportunity ie starting with a team that will be successful? Do the WA public have the appetite for a team that will probably take years to become competitive? Is there the financial advantages? I would bet that all of this has been examined in detail over the years and the answers are in the negative.
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As for Beattie. I am glad Perth Red posted some of Beattie’s statements. Classic political spin. Nothing concrete at all, just waspy BS to get a crowd and money from a SOO game in Perth.