What did we learn tonight

[Poupou Escobar]

media coverage? talent? the only reason u have those things is because of your pretty boy jarryd hayne, who i can not stand. u r a one man team :crazy:

And the Sharks are a how many man team? Do you even have any stars?

 

[hindy111]

We arent getting floged.just out enthused.

I would move mateo to 5/8 and morts to halfback-KK to hooker.All this talk of humble and mitchel is silly at this stage.If robson stays at half than morts to bench.Our best plyer is wasted in the forwards.
Horo can play lock and i liked what i saw from him.Even oake ran harder than that soft boiled egg Poore who needs a stint at wenty till he wants to bleed for the shirt.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

We arent getting floged.just out enthused.

I would move mateo to 5/8

With Shackleton out we don't have enough back-rowers to move Mateo out of the pack. Also we've got five outside backs we need to shoehorn into the team. I'd move Hayne to 6 and Burt to fullback.

 

[Hollywood Jesus]

I will tell you what I learnt tonight.

Matt Keating is crap and we really miss Kingston. All our forwards except mannah need a kick up the arse.

Cayless isn't being utilised. He's probably the second best ball playing front rower in the comp after Blair. Funnily enough, no one is going to the line with him.

Maybe it's just that DA doesn't wanna head straight into this kind of play from Round 1?

When Robson dummies its like a 3 second delay. Just pass it to Tahu, you goose.

Has Tahu received any - ANY - clean ball in 3 games so far? Why the hell did we even bother buying him if we aren't gonna try to give him the ball with some space?

Kris Keating runs a bit like Coyote chasing Road Runner. Looks fast but gets nowhere.

Keating is our best option for some spark around the ruck. He is the only one that has any zip about him at all. He has to start at 9, Matt has to be dumped to be replaced by Mitchell.

For the record, I think KK made some great tackles last night which only adds to the need to start him.

1. Burt
2. Inu
3. Reddy
4. Tahu
5. Grothe
6. Hayne
7. Mortimer

ZOMG I went there!

9. K Keating
14. Mitchell

Robson and M Keating dropped.

 

[Stagger eel]

I guess one thing we've learned is that we've got bigger problems than who we should be re-signing.

 

[glenmoresharkie]

And the Sharks are a how many man team? Do you even have any stars?

dude, i would rather have no stars than a sook like jarryd hayne. and we do have trent barrett, and he is much better than daniel mortimer (another pretty boy)

 

[lewiscook]

We arent getting floged.just out enthused.

I would move mateo to 5/8 and morts to halfback-KK to hooker.All this talk of humble and mitchel is silly at this stage.If robson stays at half than morts to bench.Our best plyer is wasted in the forwards.
Horo can play lock and i liked what i saw from him.Even oake ran harder than that soft boiled egg Poore who needs a stint at wenty till he wants to bleed for the shirt.

Robson was solid tonight at half-back but far from what we need.
His kicking game is terrible, some of the kicks he produced last night were terrible and put alot of pressure on our defence.

Kris Keating was good lastnight and im happy with his short precision kicking game as displayed through Reddy's try, but his long kicking game needs work and i don't understand why when Hayne can kick the bal a long way why he can't do alot of that stuff??

You are completely right, we were far in a way out enthused last night, the tigers were all over us. They completed there set, were structured in defence and attack and really took control of the game especially when we scored a couple of quick tries.

We were lucky lastnight to get our tries through individual talent with regards to Tahu, Inu and KK and Reddy. We have minimal structure in our attack which is worrying, we look completely out of soughts when we are given opportunities to post points and rarely throw cut out balls or short balls which is a reflection of the lack of creativity through our halves. This results in Hayne having to take control of the game and create opportunities.

In conclusion i feel our issue lies in the halves with there lack of creativity and ability to take control when in oppostions twenty. I feel Robson is not the answer.

 

[strider]

I learnt that its bad to do NRL fantasy leagues, cos you then want the opposition to do good/not do bad ... :sarcasm:

 

[Eelementary]

dude, i would rather have no stars than a sook like jarryd hayne. and we do have trent barrett, and he is much better than daniel mortimer (another pretty boy)

:lol: Sure you would.

And of course Barrett is better - he's 6 times older than Dan.

 

[strider]

so - when are we gonna see the great Anthony Mitchell get a run - you know, the guy we were content to lose Kinga for because we had the young guy ready to impress .... time to start considering our options cos the guys who get their hands on the ball the most are SLOW

 

[PARRA_FAN]

I knew from the kick off we werent up to it last night, you can tell with a lot of the players their attitude wasnt right.

Losing Mortimer was a blow, I know his form hasnt been good, but we needed that extra half/utility rotation with Keating/Robson.

Our structure needs to change, not relying too much on Hayne, our halves kept looking for Hayne, instead of passing out wide and kicking like most halves should.

We dont have any spark from dummy half after Kingston left, I think bring in another hooker like last year to come off the bench, probably Anthony Mitchell we've got to give him a go.

Cayless has been disappointing, but can improve. But see the problem with some of our forwards is they are too flat when running onto the football, take him and Poore for instance, they are too metres behind the dummy half, stand a little deep and run it FFS. No wonder he gets smashed most of the time, and hold onto to the ball. He should stay on the bench, turning out to be the worst buy since Dykes.

I just think our game plan needs to change, maybe get another half in, dont know what Humble is like maybe if it doesnt change next match, perhaps maybe we could give him a go.

And finally to the Sharks fan, wasnt your last victory before the Ashes last year? Was it that long ago.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

9. K Keating
14. Mitchell

Robson and M Keating dropped.

I think if we played with more enthusiasm (including more support runners around the middle) that both M. Keating and Robson could rediscover their form from last year. Actually now I think about it, M. Keating and Robson are those support runners. What he hell have they been doing?!?

Some offloads would make them both look a lot better though. I thought M. Keating was excellent last year and he started very well for us last night.

We really do need to play more of a second-phase type game. We're not a grindy Dragons or Storm type team who go three up and then spread it wide, but that's how it looks like we're trying to play. We need to be looking for the offload on every hit-up and only go wide when the defence is in disarray; if there's an offload and nothing's on, the support runner should just take the metres and the quick play-the-ball (or, God forbid, another offload).

Maybe it's just that DA doesn't wanna head straight into this kind of play from Round 1?

I think you're right. We're playing like we did when the Dragons flogged us in round 26 last year. It turned out to be a smart move then but I don't see what's to be gained from playing so conservatively now.

 

[lingard]

OK lets sit back and wait for it to happen again

I am a bit older than a lot of people on this forum, and that won;t happen again like it did last year. As in business you have to confront your issues, address them and move on

Waiting for something to happen usually means it won't

What a capital suggestion! It`s only round three, you know. By the way, I thought the Tigers were absolutely brilliant last night. Full credit to them.

 

[salvy71]

bahahaha we must have bought have the eels team to the sharks (Kelly, Cordoba, Wright, Mannah, Tautai, Smith (maybe), Gardner, etc). U guys had some good juniors comin through

All you gotta do now is buy a premiership , cos winning one is pretty much mission impossible .:lol:

 

[lingard]

How about we keep the halves as they are. Robson played far better than Keating last night and has so this season.

I`d have to agree with that. I`m beginning to side with the people who say we need a more dynamic half-back. I think we probably do. It pains me to say this, because I really like Jeff Robson. He did some good things last night - a couple of good kicks (not every one is sh*t, you know) and a few neat inside passes that nearly came off, and of course, the little bomb that Reddy caught for a try.
It`s so difficult to tell how well he is going (or not) though, when the forwards are being dominated and are playing one out.
Still, with all his faults and failures, he is (at this point in time) definitely playing better than Kris Keating. "Keating looks good", people are saying.
Well, they must like the look of his hair or something, because from where I sit, he isn`t actually doing very much. Perhaps he`s not match fit yet, I don`t know; but he had a golden opportunity to impress last night. And he didn`t.

 

[lingard]

bahahaha we must have bought have the eels team to the sharks (Kelly, Cordoba, Wright, Mannah, Tautai, Smith (maybe), Gardner, etc). U guys had some good juniors comin through

You may find that they`re not that good. :lol: I hope, anyway.

 

[lingard]

With Shackleton out we don't have enough back-rowers to move Mateo out of the pack. Also we've got five outside backs we need to shoehorn into the team. I'd move Hayne to 6 and Burt to fullback.

I`d seriously consider moving Tahu to 6. But it`s early days. (And I`m not the coach!)

 

[lingard]

Cayless isn't being utilised. He's probably the second best ball playing front rower in the comp after Blair. Funnily enough, no one is going to the line with him.

Maybe it's just that DA doesn't wanna head straight into this kind of play from Round 1?



Has Tahu received any - ANY - clean ball in 3 games so far? Why the hell did we even bother buying him if we aren't gonna try to give him the ball with some space?



Keating is our best option for some spark around the ruck. He is the only one that has any zip about him at all. He has to start at 9, Matt has to be dumped to be replaced by Mitchell.

For the record, I think KK made some great tackles last night which only adds to the need to start him.



9. K Keating
14. Mitchell

Robson and M Keating dropped.

He may have some spark, but he hasn`t produced fire yet. Maybe he`s not match fit? Agree with you on Cayless. Tahu to five-eight, perhaps? No matter what, though, when the forwards start playing as a unit, Tahu will necessarily get more ball.

 

[Eelementary]

Theoretically, we could get away with Robbo at halfback if Mateo was firing, he had a dynamic 5/8 playing alongside him and our hooker was a livewire. They could focus on the attack and Robbo could do his thing.

Currently, Matt Keating is struggling; Mateo looks uninterested; Mortimer is not playing well or is sick.

It's only round 3, and although our record is 1-2 at the moment, and we haven't looked particularly great as a whole, I am loathe to make wholesale changes just yet. To be honest, I would make just three changes:

8. Mannah
9. Mitchell
10. Peletelese
11. Hindmarsh
12. Smith
13. Mateo

14. Keating
15. Cayless
16. Moimoi
17. Poore

I know what you're probably thinking - are you crazy for benching the skipper, starting two rookies and keeping 3 props on the bench?

But my reasoning is as follows:

(1) With Mannah (arguably our best prop thus far) and Pele starting, we should get early go-forward and momentum, not to mention size up front. Benching Poore and Moimoi might make them hungrier to 'pull their finger out'.

(2) Mitchell, with his youth and energy, might add a bigger spark to our dummy-half which we desperately need.

(3) Cayless running at tired defenses to me is a great idea. Lamentably, it means he'd have to start off the bench. But maybe he could play himself into better form.

Not a popular set of notions, I'm sure. But that's my suggestion.

 

[lingard]

Robson was solid tonight at half-back but far from what we need.
His kicking game is terrible, some of the kicks he produced last night were terrible and put alot of pressure on our defence.

Kris Keating was good lastnight and im happy with his short precision kicking game as displayed through Reddy's try, but his long kicking game needs work and i don't understand why when Hayne can kick the bal a long way why he can't do alot of that stuff??

You are completely right, we were far in a way out enthused last night, the tigers were all over us. They completed there set, were structured in defence and attack and really took control of the game especially when we scored a couple of quick tries.

We were lucky lastnight to get our tries through individual talent with regards to Tahu, Inu and KK and Reddy. We have minimal structure in our attack which is worrying, we look completely out of soughts when we are given opportunities to post points and rarely throw cut out balls or short balls which is a reflection of the lack of creativity through our halves. This results in Hayne having to take control of the game and create opportunities.

In conclusion i feel our issue lies in the halves with there lack of creativity and ability to take control when in oppostions twenty. I feel Robson is not the answer.

Sorry, buddy, but that was Jeff Robson who put up the kick for Reddy`s try. Nice kick, too. I admit that he`s not too dynamic, and maybe Anderson will have to look at that at some point, but if people are going to criticise his kicking game, at least get it right! It seems that no-one in this team has a great kicking game. NO ONE. But occasionally, each and every one of our kickers puts in a couple of good kicks. They just aren`t consistent,. though.