When do we call time?

[Gary Gutful]

Well I have been critical of the board and CEO all season, we were told all our board problems were over and we now have a professional board. I seriously doubt that, I don't think the coach has gotten all the help he has needed. I don't but honestly no team should look as poor and clueless we do in attack. he has been here for 5 years surely that enough time to stamp what style off football he wants to team to play???? At the end of the day the buck needs to stop with someone and I don't our shine new board are going to fall on their swords. lol whoops I mentioned swords again(giggle)

Here’s how I see it. I don’t know shit about Rugby League but I know a lot about business strategy.

If you want to transform an organisation you need to understand what is material to the function and performance of that organisation.

The issues that are most material and the measures to correct those issues then get priority.

If you were to work your way through Parramatta I think you would quickly get to the front of house being the biggest risk and impediment.

If you undertook a cost benefit analysis on changing our coach I think you would work out that a new coach is unlikely to have a lot of success in 2019 until we have the proper structures and accountabilities in place. If success happens it’s probably short lived and without a strong grounding.

If the review is serious front of house should be the focus. Get that right and see what it does to the performance of the team. If the team is still struggling in 2019 then by all means change coach for 2020 but at least when you go to the market you can present yourself as a credible, well run organisation and improve your chances of getting a quality coach.

That said, the easiest thing to do is change the coach and remain a poorly run club. Its the solution that dumb fans and shit administrators immediately jump to.

 

[Kornstar]

Well I have been critical of the board and CEO all season, we were told all our board problems were over and we now have a professional board. I seriously doubt that, I don't think the coach has gotten all the help he has needed. I don't but honestly no team should look as poor and clueless we do in attack. he has been here for 5 years surely that enough time to stamp what style off football he wants to team to play???? At the end of the day the buck needs to stop with someone and I don't our shine new board are going to fall on their swords. lol whoops I mentioned swords again(giggle)

To be fair it is the dumb, brain dead members that have ensured that the constitutional changes weren’t passed.

They can’t force that change. Fitzy was a f**king genius and ensured his legacy (as pathetic as it is) will live on for a long, long time.

What a man!!

 

[strider]

Here’s how I see it. I don’t know shit about Rugby League but I know a lot about business strategy.

If you want to transform an organisation you need to understand what is material to the function and performance of that organisation.

The issues that are most material and the measures to correct those issues then get priority.

If you were to work your way through Parramatta I think you would quickly get to the front of house being the biggest risk and impediment.

If you undertook a cost benefit analysis on changing our coach I think you would work out that a new coach is unlikely to have a lot of success in 2019 until we have the proper structures and accountabilities in place. If success happens it’s probably short lived and without a strong grounding.

If the review is serious front of house should be the focus. Get that right and see what it does to the performance of the team. If the team is still struggling in 2019 then by all means change coach for 2020 but at least when you go to the market you can present yourself as a credible, well run organisation and improve your chances of getting a quality coach.

That said, the easiest thing to do is change the coach and remain a poorly run club. Its the solution that dumb fans and shit administrators immediately jump to.

You sure talk well about business sense for a marine biologist

I would also suggest, we would struggle to attract a decent alternate coach unless we address all the other areas

Any decent new coach will want their house in order and demand a raft of things ..... anyone prepared to come in a keep going with a shit structure is probably gonna be a flop

 

[Gary Gutful]

You sure talk well about business sense for a marine biologist

I would also suggest, we would struggle to attract a decent alternate coach unless we address all the other areas

Any decent new coach will want their house in order and demand a raft of things ..... anyone prepared to come in a keep going with a shit structure is probably gonna be a flop

Exactly. Very big chance that the simplest and easiest solution is to go for another nuffy who is just happy to have a coaching job.

The administrators can say that they have made some big changes and then just sit back and continue to be dysfunctional.

This is the sort of shit fans should be getting f**ken angry about!!!

 

[hindy111]

What concerns me the most is BA continually saying things like, we have the staff and players to turn this around. If he really is that loyal and believes the coaching staff are correct, then perhaps it's time for him to go as that is a nonsense statement that underlines he is resistant to change and is far too loyal and has failed to understand the changes needed.
Spoke to some people last night who did say that this was one of the worst seasons for players coming off contract, and that the intention is to push through the juniors as quickly as possible. Shades of the Riff there.

We need guys who bleed for the jersey. Unfortunately it usually comes from juniors. However guys like Brown Gutherson and Gower are exceptions they where given a golden chance by the club
Mannah,Alvaro,Terepo,Manu are examples of they always put in.

Look at the big money signings in the squad. I see 4

Moses,MJ,Norman,Evans.....

Maybe our most skillfull guys but all lack the attitude of bleed for the jersey.

That tigers guy was perhaps right about Moses. Talented but guy is a bit ofna cry baby and lets emotions get better of him. Mummas boy perhaps.

 

[strider]

Here’s how I see it. I don’t know shit about Rugby League but I know a lot about business strategy.

If you want to transform an organisation you need to understand what is material to the function and performance of that organisation.

The issues that are most material and the measures to correct those issues then get priority.

If you were to work your way through Parramatta I think you would quickly get to the front of house being the biggest risk and impediment.

If you undertook a cost benefit analysis on changing our coach I think you would work out that a new coach is unlikely to have a lot of success in 2019 until we have the proper structures and accountabilities in place. If success happens it’s probably short lived and without a strong grounding.

If the review is serious front of house should be the focus. Get that right and see what it does to the performance of the team. If the team is still struggling in 2019 then by all means change coach for 2020 but at least when you go to the market you can present yourself as a credible, well run organisation and improve your chances of getting a quality coach.

That said, the easiest thing to do is change the coach and remain a poorly run club. Its the solution that dumb fans and shit administrators immediately jump to.

You sure talk well about business sense for a marine biologist

I would also suggest, we would struggle to attract a decent alternate coach unless we address all the other areas

Any decent new coach will want their house in order and demand a raft of things ..... anyone prepared to come in a keep going with a shit structure is probably gonna be a flop

Exactly. Very big chance that the simplest and easiest solution is to go for another nuffy who is just happy to have a coaching job.

The administrators can say that they have made some big changes and then just sit back and continue to be dysfunctional.

This is the sort of shit fans should be getting f**ken angry about!!!

I would imagine some of BAs flaw this year is that he came through one of the biggest shit storms in NRL history in 2016 with a whole heap of incompetant merkins around him and he has probably been content to think, f**k it just go without others getting in the way .... and it aint gone well

 

[hindy111]

Here’s how I see it. I don’t know shit about Rugby League but I know a lot about business strategy.

If you want to transform an organisation you need to understand what is material to the function and performance of that organisation.

The issues that are most material and the measures to correct those issues then get priority.

If you were to work your way through Parramatta I think you would quickly get to the front of house being the biggest risk and impediment.

If you undertook a cost benefit analysis on changing our coach I think you would work out that a new coach is unlikely to have a lot of success in 2019 until we have the proper structures and accountabilities in place. If success happens it’s probably short lived and without a strong grounding.

If the review is serious front of house should be the focus. Get that right and see what it does to the performance of the team. If the team is still struggling in 2019 then by all means change coach for 2020 but at least when you go to the market you can present yourself as a credible, well run organisation and improve your chances of getting a quality coach.

That said, the easiest thing to do is change the coach and remain a poorly run club. Its the solution that dumb fans and shit administrators immediately jump to.

Almost read all of that before I decided to jump in and tell you what I know about footy.
You need strong juniors and build a team that way. Guys who played together for years in juniors and come through together. What makes you assume we are run so poorly? Last year we where run great and Gurr was cleaning the place up after the salary cap mess. Team goes shit and all of a sudden you assume its front office. I dont think it is.
1- I reckon we had bad run with injuries
2 We lost Semi,
3 had no luck,
4 our coach of the 16 in nrl would rank inteligence wise in the lower half.
5 Our halves cleary dont get on.
6 Kane Evans was a dud.
7 Lack of juniors

Now 1 cant control nor can 3. No2 we resolved we hope with Ferguson.
7 looks sorted.
6 We have signed Jnr so that should work.

Left is 4 and 5 that we need to control.
I am sure a good coach could change the relationship between the two and so could an offseason. But Dylan Brown could shine and be an answer.
Its not all doom and gloom and I can see us bouncing back to the finals in 19 and perhaps taking it out.

 

[hindy111]

On BA he did sign on big bucks. How many have you been happy with. Sure he made some good cheap purchases that turned out great like Brown and Gutherson. But this is where a lot of money was blasted. He dodged 2 massive bullets with Watmough and Foran.

Moses
Norman - re signed
Foran
Evans
Watmough
Scott
Jennings

 

[Gary Gutful]

Almost read all of that before I decided to jump in and tell you what I know about footy.
You need strong juniors and build a team that way. Guys who played together for years in juniors and come through together. What makes you assume we are run so poorly? Last year we where run great and Gurr was cleaning the place up after the salary cap mess. Team goes shit and all of a sudden you assume its front office. I dont think it is.
1- I reckon we had bad run with injuries
2 We lost Semi,
3 had no luck,
4 our coach of the 16 in nrl would rank inteligence wise in the lower half.
5 Our halves cleary dont get on.
6 Kane Evans was a dud.
7 Lack of juniors

Now 1 cant control nor can 3. No2 we resolved we hope with Ferguson.
7 looks sorted.
6 We have signed Jnr so that should work.

Left is 4 and 5 that we need to control.
I am sure a good coach could change the relationship between the two and so could an offseason. But Dylan Brown could shine and be an answer.
Its not all doom and gloom and I can see us bouncing back to the finals in 19 and perhaps taking it out.

I don't agree with that and I think you've misinterpreted what I said.

I don't believe the club has been well run at any stage recently. If you think a club that got done for salary cap cheating and was forced to appoint a voluntary administrator was being run well then you are on drugs.

The team might have performed well last year but the front of house was hardly on top of things. It's one of the reasons that has contributed to our good form on the field being only being temporary. We completely ballsed up what is required to run a first grade football team. BA takes plenty of the blame for that but there are some other f**k puppets who should hang their heads in shame.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I would imagine some of BAs flaw this year is that he came through one of the biggest shit storms in NRL history in 2016 with a whole heap of incompetant merkins around him and he has probably been content to think, f**k it just go without others getting in the way .... and it aint gone well

Exactly. He was too blase about what was required and didn't push hard enough to get the support and structures in place that are required to have long term success in the NRL.

There is a reason that successful clubs are structured differently and are better resourced than ours. It f**ken works!

 

[Avenger]

Exactly. Very big chance that the simplest and easiest solution is to go for another nuffy who is just happy to have a coaching job.

The administrators can say that they have made some big changes and then just sit back and continue to be dysfunctional.

This is the sort of shit fans should be getting f**ken angry about!!!

But we have a premiership winning coach available now in Michael Maguire, possibly Wayne Bennett and Shane Flanagan with potentially a future super coach in Justin Holbrook and the innovators beinv the Walker brothers.

I’d rather go with any of them than Arthur whose 5 year plan ended with the wooden spoon.

 

[T-Boon]

If you were to work your way through Parramatta I think you would quickly get to the front of house being the biggest risk and impediment.

If you undertook a cost benefit analysis on changing our coach I think you would work out that a new coach is unlikely to have a lot of success in 2019 until we have the proper structures and accountabilities in place. If success happens it’s probably short lived and without a strong grounding.

If the review is serious front of house should be the focus. Get that right and see what it does to the performance of the team. If the team is still struggling in 2019 then by all means change coach for 2020 but at least when you go to the market you can present yourself as a credible, well run organisation and improve your chances of getting a quality coach.

That said, the easiest thing to do is change the coach and remain a poorly run club. Its the solution that dumb fans and shit administrators immediately jump to.

Quality post. Who hacked GG's account?

 

[Twizzle]

yeh, all the good ones are unemployed

next

 

[Gary Gutful]

But we have a premiership winning coach available now in Michael Maguire, possibly Wayne Bennett and Shane Flanagan with potentially a future super coach in Justin Holbrook and the innovators beinv the Walker brothers.

I’d rather go with any of them than Arthur whose 5 year plan ended with the wooden spoon.

If we don't fix the other admin shit that everyone is ignoring:

1. Will any of them want to sign up as coach?
2. If they do how much will we have to pay them? (probably 'too much' when you eventually turn on them)
3. How can they realistically improve things?

The only way a new coach would work right now is if it is someone that is experienced enough to help us reshape the entire club not just the role of first grade coach.

That relies on the dickheads in charge putting aside their egos for the better of the club. When was the last time that happened?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Quality post. Who hacked GG's account?

Certainly not T-Boon.

 

[T-Boon]

Certainly not T-Boon.

You having a go?

 

[Gary Gutful]

You having a go?

Sorry, I meant to say 'T-Bone'.

 

[Avenger]

If we don't fix the other admin shit that everyone is ignoring:

1. Will any of them want to sign up as coach?
2. If they do how much will we have to pay them? (probably 'too much' when you eventually turn on them)
3. How can they realistically improve things?

The only way a new coach would work right now is if it is someone that is experienced enough to help us reshape the entire club not just the role of first grade coach.

That relies on the dickheads in charge putting aside their egos for the better of the club. When was the last time that happened?

But we thought we did by finally appointing a CEO with a good CV. Problem is he is so out of touch that he should go back to Walmart or wherever he came from.

 

[T-Boon]

Sorry, I meant to say 'T-Bone'.

Carry on then.

 

[Gary Gutful]

But we thought we did by finally appointing a CEO with a good CV. Problem is he is so out of touch that he should go back to Walmart or wherever he came from.

So you agree that we are poorly run?

If you still think we are poorly run do you agree with my suggestion that a new coach alone isn't likely to fix things?

What's the most immediate impediment to long term success in your view? Poor administration or poor coaching?