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Where are the doubters now ?

Iafeta

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...I think the thing that grates is hearing how Ives could do no wrong, Cleary this, Cleary that, Cleary craps gold ingots etc. Like his reign was 100% perfect and he was this supercoach that lead us to multi success.
He was okay, he did some good stuff. There was also some shocking stuff and some head scratchers of his own.

Do you remember what type of club the bloke inherited?

I think its fair to say the bloke left the club in a far, far, far better state that what he got it in. I don't think there's too many coaches who have left the Warriors who can say it (I'm struggling to think of one, TBH).
 

Micistm

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For sure, I certainly don't want to give the impression he was a bad Coach, far from it.
Simply that the 'good ol days' are always seen through rose tints, easy to remember the good times, the bad ones-unless really bad-fade away.
The good things I remember are one game away from GF (only to be blown off the park by a Manly side who were something extraordinary), a GF appearance, the youth squad and young talents coming through the ranks-and as you say, the phoenix of a new club rising out of the mess left.
The bad things are the famous yearly slumps, the very boring attack at times and one dimensional offence, the certain players stuck with when should have gone (Rovelli, Jones are the first that come to mind), issues with others that deserved a chance (Inu-again, and basically anyone instead of Jones! He only very begrudgingly put Fein in, and dropped him ASAP as well. I also felt Witt was treated appallingly- like or hate him, to be told he's not required, then change of mind and told he wouldn't be released, only to have the mind changed again after a new deal he'd sorted collapsed, was pretty shoddy stuff).
Ives certainly deserves a pass mark, no two ways about it. Just as long as we remember it wasn't all perfect either, and to compare Cleary with McClennon atm is unfair and premature. Time might tell that McClennon isn't up to it, and the Warriors were idiots for letting Cleary go. It might also find McClennon hitting his straps and all will be forgiven. Too early, could go either way.
 

Fast Eddie

First Grade
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the certain players stuck with when should have gone (Rovelli, Jones are the first that come to mind), issues with others that deserved a chance (Inu-again, and basically anyone instead

Well this has certainly changed under the new coach.
 

Micistm

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Well this has certainly changed under the new coach.

Precisely my point- Knocking Bluey for not dropping certain players is not something exclusive to him, neither was the lack of Inu love. And they both have this JRo love that many of us fans just don't get.
I can certainly understand why people are questioning-and fair enough too. Just for me, I have a wait and see approach. Well, tbh we have no ****ing choice on that, do we?:lol:
 

TheDMC

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For sure, I certainly don't want to give the impression he was a bad Coach, far from it.
Simply that the 'good ol days' are always seen through rose tints, easy to remember the good times, the bad ones-unless really bad-fade away.
The good things I remember are one game away from GF (only to be blown off the park by a Manly side who were something extraordinary), a GF appearance, the youth squad and young talents coming through the ranks-and as you say, the phoenix of a new club rising out of the mess left.
The bad things are the famous yearly slumps, the very boring attack at times and one dimensional offence, the certain players stuck with when should have gone (Rovelli, Jones are the first that come to mind), issues with others that deserved a chance (Inu-again, and basically anyone instead of Jones! He only very begrudgingly put Fein in, and dropped him ASAP as well. I also felt Witt was treated appallingly- like or hate him, to be told he's not required, then change of mind and told he wouldn't be released, only to have the mind changed again after a new deal he'd sorted collapsed, was pretty shoddy stuff).
Ives certainly deserves a pass mark, no two ways about it. Just as long as we remember it wasn't all perfect either, and to compare Cleary with McClennon atm is unfair and premature. Time might tell that McClennon isn't up to it, and the Warriors were idiots for letting Cleary go. It might also find McClennon hitting his straps and all will be forgiven. Too early, could go either way.

Wise words really. Early days so far, and we haven't actually lost 2 in a row yet!
 

Micistm

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Another point- Cleary picked Inu...eventually. Would he though, had resident coach darling JRo not been out injured? I think not...

I'm just in an argumentitive mood- having got up early this morn to get to Rebel sport to beat the crowd, get my half price runners and a Warriors windbreaker with 25 off...drove home, noticed two hours later security tag still in the jacket! Had to go back in the madhouse and get it removed.
That's off topic but worth saying anyway cause it totally ****ed me off!
 

Fast Eddie

First Grade
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Another point- Cleary picked Inu...eventually. Would he though, had resident coach darling JRo not been out injured? I think not...

I'm just in an argumentitive mood- having got up early this morn to get to Rebel sport to beat the crowd, get my half price runners and a Warriors windbreaker with 25 off...drove home, noticed two hours later security tag still in the jacket! Had to go back in the madhouse and get it removed.
That's off topic but worth saying anyway cause it totally ****ed me off!


IIRC Inu got picked on the wing at the start of the season, so wouldn't have mattered if Ropati was there. The GF run would have been a different story though.
 

Fast Eddie

First Grade
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You guys don't know what you're talking about, Ropati is no where near as bad as people say on here.
 

hitman82

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Haha he's had a couple of bad f**k ups already that's for sure! Manu is looking pretty shit too, though he made a nice chase for a tackle before
 
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We are missing locke at the back. fish is looking out of his depth. please play some centres next week not back rowers! We are mising energy, to much of a holiday this week?
 

Micistm

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Well...I've got fed up and walked away from the TV. I have not been so angry in a long time.
This is just shit. I expected some fire to make ammends for last week, I can not believe what I am seeing. Flat, lethargic, uninterested.
A pure emotional response, but I do expect something from the coach now: I expect him to read a few of those players the riot act. This isn't good enough. Another woeful team performance.
 

Fast Eddie

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I want to see the press conference, that would be a good laugh. McClennan should stick to being a labourer in South Auckland.
 
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