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Who are we buying for 2021 onwards

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jaseg

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JJ said:
Sure, but then I have a real uneasiness with some is the twats the NRL will happily hire given what they’ve done, whereas Folau tweets and talks... they punch, kick, sexually assault etc etc

Guess I’m getting old, but I’d rather read a stupid tweet (even be offended by one) than have my home invaded, my head stomped etc
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Without really getting into politics (as much as possible, anyway) we've seen long term results of stupid tweets not being rightfully shut down as they should have been in the states recently. Nobody defends the Lodge shit, but they'll defend Folau's bullshit couched in religion all day. That's a problem, that actually can influence people.

Personally I'd be throwing around the ban stick at anyone involved in serious offences (DV? you're gone. GBH? gone. etc etc - flip side being only once they are actually convicted, rather than playing at being judge and jury). But this is all just whataboutism anyway - the subject was Folau, not Lodge.
 
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jaseg said:
Without really getting into politics (as much as possible, anyway) we've seen long term results of stupid tweets not being rightfully shut down as they should have been in the states recently. Nobody defends the Lodge shit, but they'll defend Folau's bullshit couched in religion all day. That's a problem, that actually can influence people.

Personally I'd be throwing around the ban stick at anyone involved in serious offences (DV? you're gone. GBH? gone. etc etc - flip side being only once they are actually convicted, rather than playing at being judge and jury). But this is all just whataboutism anyway - the subject was Folau, not Lodge.
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Have to disagree on the whataboutism as I don’t see the need for a specific rule on one player.

I’m all for second chances, so would consider Folau on a short leash, his beliefs won’t change, but like others he needs to read the room on sharing them... appears he can’t, but that can probably be addressed early as he seems honest (presumably he’d burn in hell forever if he fibbed)

Freedom of speech, and freedom to disagree and in some cases ridicule stupid ideas and beliefs, is vitally important imo.., social media is not, it’s a harmful cesspool
 
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JJ said:
Have to disagree on the whataboutism as I don’t see the need for a specific rule on one player.

I’m all for second chances, so would consider Folau on a short leash, his beliefs won’t change, but like others he needs to read the room on sharing them... appears he can’t, but that can probably be addressed early as he seems honest (presumably he’d burn in hell forever if he fibbed)

Freedom of speech, and freedom to disagree and in some cases ridicule stupid ideas and beliefs, is vitally important imo.., social media is not, it’s a harmful cesspool
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How on earth did you come to this conclusion?

After his first social media issue he wrote a marketing piece in Playersvoice saying he wouldn't do anything to damage rugby and if he did he'd quit then signed his big money contract. Then he went out and did stuff to damage rugby and rather than quit he fought his dismissal and then took Rugby AU to a fair work tribunal.
 
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Matua said:
How on earth did you come to this conclusion?

After his first social media issue he wrote a marketing piece in Playersvoice saying he wouldn't do anything to damage rugby and if he did he'd quit then signed his big money contract. Then he went out and did stuff to damage rugby and rather than quit he fought his dismissal and then took Rugby AU to a fair work tribunal.
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Ugh ignorance is my only defence there, hadn’t followed Aust union... my bad, apologies...
 
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I suspect others mentioned, Packer, Lodge etc have made some form of statement regarding regret, repent, sorry, won't happen again.
Folau from my limited understanding has not and will not.
So that's the ultimate argument.

It is just an interesting to think his words/beliefs are stronger than some physical actions taken by others.
The old pen is mightier than the sword.

The problem is we push these (and other) beliefs underground or into groups that don't talk about it to outsiders who may be able to soften or slowly change perseptions/beliefs and it can result in some extreme actions.

Anyway let's not buy Folau. :grinning:
 
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JJ said:
Personally I’m not convinced Hughes is worth a ‘huge’ offer...
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I’m not so sure either.
IMO we need a kicking half who can direct a team around the park. Not sure he’s man to do that, but what other options are there out there
 
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Leber said:
I'd rather invest time in Berry/Perham at 1 (or Fusitua at a pinch) and use Roges money on a good hooker.
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For me it depends. If we can get someone like Dufty for 400k, then IMO that’s better than risking someone so unproven at FB, as it’s such a key position. However if we couldn’t get anyone on that kind of coin, then I think we’d have to look at them.

I’m keen to see how Egan goes this year. I think he’ll go pretty well, but yeah we deffo need a solid hooker
 
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Big Marn said:
im always a bit cautious about offering big money to Melbourne players. Theres this illusion of eliteness that is dispelled when they play for another team.
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Yep, they have some great players, and them together with their system makes decent players appear much better than they are... Hughes wouldn’t be in the top echelon of Storm players... and while decent obviously the most dispensable component of their spine
 
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JJ said:
Yep, they have some great players, and them together with their system makes decent players appear much better than they are... Hughes wouldn’t be in the top echelon of Storm players... and while decent obviously the most dispensable component of their spine
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When the rest of your spine is Grant, Papenhuyzen & Munster, its not hard to be the expendable one lol. Its such a good spine that just because he is the easiest to replace doesnt mean he isn't that good.
 
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Fufu Andronez said:
When the rest of your spine is Grant, Papenhuyzen & Munster, its not hard to be the expendable one lol. Its such a good spine that just because he is the easiest to replace doesnt mean he isn't that good.
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Not saying he’s not good... just how would CHT, Nikorima or even Perham or Turner go in that spot? Probably ok... and they haven’t even downgraded to Grant yet, so just in the spine there are 3 hookers all more important than Hughes
 
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While i understand the Melbourne factor where journeymen look much better than they are i really dont think that will be the case with Hughes.He has always looked strong when playing for the Kiwis too.
His value could also depend on where we plan to play him as he is very versatile.
I actually like him as a hooker......good defender, elusive runner with good acceleration and a reasonable kicking game
 
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waipiro said:
While i understand the Melbourne factor where journeymen look much better than they are i really dont think that will be the case with Hughes.He has always looked strong when playing for the Kiwis too.
His value could also depend on where we plan to play him as he is very versatile.
I actually like him as a hooker......good defender, elusive runner with good acceleration and a reasonable kicking game
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He’s certainly a good player, but I’m a bit over trying to turn halves into bookers late in their career... think it started with wanting a playmaker like Elias, Norths converted Mark Soden I think, then of course Toovey did it at rep level although John’s wore 9... the defending is huge, which makes Smith astonishing... I’m among the few that likes Egan, if we have Hughes then in the halves imo and got to try Turner at 1 when the time comes, which if possible means him having a full season there in lower grade, or like RTS at the Roosters plays wing and interchanges with RTS and is mentored by him, like Minichello did for RTS... just my view fwiw which is little
 
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