Who does everyone hate on souths?

[Eels Dude]

No the word "proud" wouldn't be the right word, of course I'd rather we come first every year but we were starting from a very very very low floor, we had a long way to go to just become competitive, let alone excel. But I'm glad we're heading in the right direction, I'd rather go from an average of 15th to an average of 10th than the other way around.

As for the last 4 years, mediocrity isn't fun, and last year was bitterly dissapointing (especially after being 3rd halfway through the year) but there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic, and I'm (as you all know) very confident about the next couple of years. And if the cap increases by a million or two after 2012 as it should there's no reason why we can't keep the core of this team together. Let's not forget, when Souths win premierships we win them in bunches. I bet somebody, and I stand by it, we're going to win the most premierships of any team this decade.

Fair enough. But your club has been the definition of woeful for the past 20 years. One finals appearance in that entire time, and scraping in at that. 3 wooden spoons this past decade, and you would have had a 4th if it wasn't for the fact the Bulldogs were stripped of all their points in 2002.

You SHOULD be proud of the fact you finished 9th this season and there is potential for better to come. But you shouldn't be arrogant cocky about it and simply assume because you've improved from woeful to mediocre then the next step is a decade of premierships. If it were like that after you made the semis in '07 you would have made the top 4 in '08. But it doesn't work like that. You are making steps in the right direction. But there is a long way to go till you reach the top of stairs.

 

[thommo4pm]

In 2007 we finished 7th, in 2008 14th, 2009 10th, 2010 we finished 9th. Which is an average of 10th over those 4 years.

In the 4 years before that we came 15th in 03, 15th in 04, 13th in 05 and 15th in 06. Which is an average of...15.

An average of 15th (or last) before the new ownership, an average of 10th since then. We're rapidly improving and over the next 4 years I could easily imagine us averaging a top 4 finish. We're on the way up, too many other clubs are on the way down and that's why their fans are haters, their hate comes from jealousy. It's a sign of respect really. Even the haters sense the impending greatness.

Which clubs exactly are on the way down?
I can name quite a few clubs who are improving over the top of you.
Tigers, Canberra, Roosters, Penrith, Warriors are 5 that spring straight to mind.
Then you have the Dragons, Manly & Titans who always seem to make the 8.

I haven't even mentioned the Dogs or Brisbane who are both likely to bounce back from poor seasons last year.

 

[Eels Dude]

Which clubs exactly are on the way down?
I can name quite a few clubs who are improving over the top of you.
Tigers, Canberra, Roosters, Penrith, Warriors are 5 that spring straight to mind.
Then you have the Dragons, Manly & Titans who always seem to make the 8.

I haven't even mentioned the Dogs or Brisbane who are both likely to bounce back from poor seasons last year.

Let's remember, for a club that finished last or second last every year for an entire decade.... all they can do is improve ;-)

 

[BunniesMan]

Which clubs exactly are on the way down?
I can name quite a few clubs who are improving over the top of you.
Tigers, Canberra, Roosters, Penrith, Warriors are 5 that spring straight to mind.

Tigers are good. A top 4 team and I'm picking them to be there again. Same with Roosters. NZ should make the 8, but we'll finish ahead of them. Panthers to make the 8 but their predictable attack will see them exit the finals 1st week.Canberra won't make the 8 this year. Orford was average in the first place, he's not just old. They'll be close to last before Campese returns, he won't get them to the 8.

Then you have the Dragons, Manly & Titans who always seem to make the 8.

Dragons also a top 4 team, no arguments there. As for Manly and GC. Manly? They've declined every year since the GF win. They'll be spoon contenders this year and they're one of the teams on the way down I mentioned. The GC too. They're old and they'll miss out on the 8.

I haven't even mentioned the Dogs or Brisbane who are both likely to bounce back from poor seasons last year.

They'll both scrape into the 8 this year, barely, neither will be better than us.

My top 8 after 26 rounds:
Dragons
Souths
Roosters
Tigers
NZ
Penrith
Bulldogs
Brisbane

 

[CMUX]

In 2007 we finished 7th, in 2008 14th, 2009 10th, 2010 we finished 9th. Which is an average of 10th over those 4 years.

In the 4 years before that we came 15th in 03, 15th in 04, 13th in 05 and 15th in 06. Which is an average of...15.

An average of 15th (or last) before the new ownership, an average of 10th since then. We're rapidly improving and over the next 4 years I could easily imagine us averaging a top 4 finish. We're on the way up, too many other clubs are on the way down and that's why their fans are haters, their hate comes from jealousy. It's a sign of respect really. Even the haters sense the impending greatness.

BM, no one is denying that 2009 was a huge success for Souths. Finishing 9th is way beyond any expectations that even the most one-eyed Souths fan could have had. It’s interesting you mention average finishing places, just for your information I have compiled all teams average finishing places since 2002 (the year Souths re-entered) and the results are below:

Broncos – 5.4
Storm – 5.6
Saints – 5.8
Manly/Eagles – 7.3
Roosters – 7.3
Dogs – 7.9
Eels – 8
Titans (4 years) – 8
NZ – 8.1
Knights – 8.9
Panthers – 8.9
Raiders – 9
Tigers – 9
Cowboys 9.8
Sharks – 10.1
Souths – 12.4

You will note that the gap between any 2 team never exceeds 1.5 (Saints/Manly) until of course you get to the foot of the ladder where Souths are a whopping 2.3 below their “closest” rival.

I don’t know about anyone else but the above is definitely making me fear the “impending success” of Souths.

 

[Hutty1986]

Souths will win the comp at a canter this year because they are cool and their players are good and cool.

 

[seaeagle sam]

As for Manly and GC. Manly? They've declined every year since the GF win. They'll be spoon contenders this year and they're one of the teams on the way down I mentioned. The GC too. They're old and they'll miss out on the 8.

They'll both scrape into the 8 this year, barely, neither will be better than us.

My top 8 after 26 rounds:
Dragons
Souths
Roosters
Tigers
NZ
Penrith
Bulldogs
Brisbane

Will these two teams scrape into the 8 or not?

As for using Manly declining every year since its '08 premiership all those two seasons ago as guide to its premiership chances, well I suppose I'll give you that one.

Speaking of which, and since you are into averages of late, have Souths declined since its last premiership in 1971? What's the club's average (pre-finals) season finish since 1971? If you use your own theory, let's call it the 'Manly Failure Through Declination Theory,' would you the agree any club not winning back to back to back premierships is in for a torrid time this season. And, using the MFTDT in regard to your own club Souths, would you determine the Rabbitohs are in for the same sh*t season they have had since 1971?

 

[seaeagle sam]

BM, no one is denying that 2009 was a huge success for Souths. Finishing 9th is way beyond any expectations that even the most one-eyed Souths fan could have had. It’s interesting you mention average finishing places, just for your information I have compiled all teams average finishing places since 2002 (the year Souths re-entered) and the results are below:

Broncos – 5.4
Storm – 5.6
Saints – 5.8
Manly/Eagles – 7.3
Roosters – 7.3
Dogs – 7.9
Eels – 8
Titans (4 years) – 8
NZ – 8.1
Knights – 8.9
Panthers – 8.9
Raiders – 9
Tigers – 9
Cowboys 9.8
Sharks – 10.1
Souths – 12.4

You will note that the gap between any 2 team never exceeds 1.5 (Saints/Manly) until of course you get to the foot of the ladder where Souths are a whopping 2.3 below their “closest” rival.

I don’t know about anyone else but the above is definitely making me fear the “impending success” of Souths.

Good job CMUX, lots of adding and dividing there I just did the same thing for the Sea Eagles since Souths last premiership way back in '71. Just of topic a bit (and it may help BM with perspective) Manly's average finish is 4.4. Any better from other teams?

 

[seaeagle sam]

Souths will win the comp at a canter this year because they are cool and their players are good and cool.

Yes, they are cool, icemen in fact.

 

[_snafu_]

WHAT f**kING BANDWAGON. No premiership in 40 years, THAT IS NOT A BANDWAGON.

Get off the bandwagon.

 

[skeepe]

.Canberra won't make the 8 this year. Orford was average in the first place, he's not just old. They'll be close to last before Campese returns, he won't get them to the 8.

You sir are a f**king idiot.

 

[seaeagle sam]

You sir are a f**king idiot.

He's got most clubs close to last this season.

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

In 2007 we finished 7th, in 2008 14th, 2009 10th, 2010 we finished 9th. Which is an average of 10th over those 4 years.

In the 4 years before that we came 15th in 03, 15th in 04, 13th in 05 and 15th in 06. Which is an average of...15.

An average of 15th (or last) before the new ownership, an average of 10th since then. We're rapidly improving and over the next 4 years I could easily imagine us averaging a top 4 finish. We're on the way up, too many other clubs are on the way down and that's why their fans are haters, their hate comes from jealousy. It's a sign of respect really. Even the haters sense the impending greatness.

:lol::lol::lol:

Enough. Please. Its getting too much for my sides to bear and I have a headache from lauging. Only a Souths fan could see an "average" of 10th over 4, count em FOUR, seasons as an improvement.

As for Manly declining after winning the comp in 08? DUH! They only way they really could go was down you halfwit. Unlike Souths.

Again, average of 10th. No wonder you guys hold Rusty in such high regard. He's almost got you into single figures.

 

[Slackboy72]

Average 15th, average 10th, definitely going to average top 4!

Remember when coming 10th made you the "Pride of the league"?

 

[BunniesMan]

You sir are a f**king idiot.

Orford isn't the saviour, he's an old man. You won't win many games with him. I think the Raiders will be a contender from 2012 onwards when you have a full season with Campese, but not in 2011.

He's got most clubs close to last this season.

Huh? I gave my top 8, so that's half the comp that I don't think will "come close to last".

 

[thommo4pm]

Let's remember, for a club that finished last or second last every year for an entire decade.... all they can do is improve ;-)

True mate I agree.
Just think it's a bit rich for one of their supporters to come out and say they will dominate the comp this year and finish top 4 for each of the next 4 years. Top 8 should be their initial goal, then re-assess if / when they get there.

 

[BunniesMan]

True mate I agree.
Just think it's a bit rich for one of their supporters to come out and say they will dominate the comp this year and finish top 4 for each of the next 4 years. Top 8 should be their initial goal, then re-assess if / when they get there.

I said we could average a top 4 finish over the next 4 years, that doesn't necessarily mean we'll be top 4 every year.

 

[thommo4pm]

Tigers are good. A top 4 team and I'm picking them to be there again. Same with Roosters. NZ should make the 8, but we'll finish ahead of them. Panthers to make the 8 but their predictable attack will see them exit the finals 1st week.Canberra won't make the 8 this year. Orford was average in the first place, he's not just old. They'll be close to last before Campese returns, he won't get them to the 8.
Dragons also a top 4 team, no arguments there. As for Manly and GC. Manly? They've declined every year since the GF win. They'll be spoon contenders this year and they're one of the teams on the way down I mentioned. The GC too. They're old and they'll miss out on the 8.

They'll both scrape into the 8 this year, barely, neither will be better than us.

My top 8 after 26 rounds:
Dragons
Souths
Roosters
Tigers
NZ
Penrith
Bulldogs
Brisbane

Ok, GC are too old just like last year I suppose where they made the GF qualifier.
My point regarding Many & Gold Coast are they are always in and around the top 8.
As others have pointed out, did you expect Manly would continue to win the comp after 2008? They only had 1 direction they could go.
Their side is the match (if not better) than Souths. They have some quality players returning from serious injuries.

NZ will finish higher than Souths. They were 5th last year, and have some decent talent coming through. Their players have played in some big games and will handle pressure better than other teams. They'll be around the top 4.

Penrith will learn from last years experience, and lets not forget when the season was drawing to an end and the game mattered for both clubs, they belted your team and put 50 past you.

If you think Canberra will be near last without Campese, then I don't know how to finish this sentence.
They probably have the most talented bunch of kids in 1st grade all of who have played 1 or 2 seasons in the top grade now.

Souths might scrape into the 8, but they'll be nowhere near top 4.

 

[thommo4pm]

I said we could average a top 4 finish over the next 4 years, that doesn't necessarily mean we'll be top 4 every year.

It's close enough.

 

[Loudstrat]

I said we could average a top 4 finish over the next 4 years, that doesn't necessarily mean we'll be top 4 every year.

And you reckon you'll win the next 2 comps, meaning you'll dive bomb after that :lol: