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Who Has To Go And Why

Tigerted

Juniors
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The next 60 point annihilation is imminent !

Taylor hasn't got the damn guts to make necessary changes.On what f**king basis did this imbecile ever get a head coaching role !
 

BrotherJim05

Bench
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The next 60 point annihilation is imminent !

Taylor hasn't got the damn guts to make necessary changes.On what f**king basis did this imbecile ever get a head coaching role !

I understand your frustration, I truly do, but I don't think Taylor is to blame.

There was a previous thread with some insider information and it seems like Taylor is subject to the same bullshit Potter was; he is not in complete control of team selections.

I admire Taylor's persistence but the bottom line is that he has a team full of reserve graders to work with. We will not be competitive until we overhaul our roster
 

Tigerted

Juniors
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We certainly have a substandard roster.

I'm pissed of big time that players r not held accountable for pathetic efforts.Im not privy to the real chain of command @ this rabble of a club & it wouldn't surprise if Taylor doesn't have total autonomy.However he is culpable for some naive decisions like the mishandling of the Farah situation late last yr, leaving Lovett in centres v Penrith @ Leichhardt when the kid was being embarrassed, calling in to mmm when he heard sterlo & the team justifiably criticising us etc

This deluded halfwit said we would finish in the top few teams @ end of yr after the 2nd round .

Yes we have a shit roster but this naive juvenile is out of his depth as a mentor of a diverse group of misfits !
 

Magpies Forever

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I understand your frustration, I truly do, but I don't think Taylor is to blame.

There was a previous thread with some insider information and it seems like Taylor is subject to the same bullshit Potter was; he is not in complete control of team selections.

I admire Taylor's persistence but the bottom line is that he has a team full of reserve graders to work with. We will not be competitive until we overhaul our roster

I agree with the thought that Taylor is not fully in control of selections and the make up of the team or the top 25 in the squad. There does seem to be an unwritten policy enforced by the club on team selections that unfairly puts a WT coach under the gun. If true WT should be honest and open about it and take some of the pressure on themselves rather than hanging the coach out to dry. I'm no fan of Taylor but I do think in this respect he surely cant be that stupid as to not make changes unless he cannot by dictate of the club.

Edit- if not, and Taylor is just wilfully stubborn and refuses to change his squad, then the club should punt him. I think WT have reached a tipping point as of this Thursday's game. WIN - more time. LOOSE- Taylor & Kidwell gone plus some players told to look elsewhere for 2017 immaterial of whatever contracts are in place even Brooks & Moses if need be.
 
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Tigerm

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I understand your frustration, I truly do, but I don't think Taylor is to blame.

There was a previous thread with some insider information and it seems like Taylor is subject to the same bullshit Potter was; he is not in complete control of team selections.

I admire Taylor's persistence but the bottom line is that he has a team full of reserve graders to work with. We will not be competitive until we overhaul our roster

Not sure about who is in control now either, but he was last year, it seemed, and we all recall the end of last season, he did buy a few more reserve graders and of course his debacle with Farah, I think he has made his bed, he now has to lay in it.
 

Tiger05

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Not sure about who is in control now either, but he was last year, it seemed, and we all recall the end of last season, he did buy a few more reserve graders and of course his debacle with Farah, I think he has made his bed, he now has to lay in it.

To me Taylor has had 100% support of the club and board. To even cause all the drama with Farah that he did shows that he had a bunch of support. It's basically impossible to move a player on who has a contract and is overpaid ala Robbie.

I haven't ever liked Taylor because he has never come across as a good coach. If though he was a good coach and we were playing well then I would support him completely. Now I just want him gone.
 

macnaz

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You would think he is responsible for a game plan at least , the fact we have a shithouse defence structure , always struggling for metres and always tired from lack of possession due to penalties etc you would expect to kick for the sideline on the last and regroup and rest , NOT a f**king stupid midfield bomb that is just opening up broken play to carry on defending against for NO reason.
 
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Tiger05

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You would think he is responsible for a game plan at least , the fact we have a shithouse defence structure , always struggling for metres and always tired from lack of possession due to penalties etc you would expect to kick for the sideline on the last and regroup and rest , NOT a f**king stupid midfield bomb that is just opening up broken play to carry on defending against for NO reason.

That midfield bomb is special though. Up she goes. His structures though are working a treat just like last year.

I spoke to a mate today and he said they have to sack that dropkick Taylor. I can't see any other option at the moment. Start there and see what someone else can do.
 

madunit

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Ron's_Mate

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Second-tier salary cap woes prevent Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor wielding axe Adrian Proszenko
Published: April 27, 2016 - 10:19PM


Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor won't be able to threaten underperforming players with the axe, with the club right on the limit of its second-tier salary cap.
After a bright start to the season, the pressure is on the club after five consecutive losses, including the meek 60-6 surrender to Canberra last weekend. That performance has heaped pressure on Taylor as he prepares to coach against his former team, South Sydney, at ANZ Stadium on Thursday.
Not that personnel changes are likely. The club has been forced to use 24 players after a quarter of the season, one fewer than the amount needed to get through all of last year. That is in stark contrast to the top teams, with Cronulla and North Queensland using 19 players and Brisbane using 20.
Taylor inherited a raft of salary cap issues when he took the reins and those problems have been exacerbated by a spate of injuries this season. Taylor has had to blood Josh Addo-Carr, Josh Aloiai and JJ Felise, while back-up recruits Joel Edwards, Jack Littlejohn and Jordan Rankin have made their first-grade debuts.
The granting of early releases to Jesse Parahi and Lamar Manuel-Liolevave has consequences to the club's second-tier balance sheet. The lack of depth has been further exposed by an ankle injury to captain Aaron Woods, while Matt Ballin's knee injury has prevented him from playing since shifting from Manly.
The issues mean Taylor has little scope to drop underperforming players. Taylor said his team was still smarting from the Raiders hiding.
"They have been hurting, big-time," Taylor said. "The group has been hurting for a number of weeks now and that's the hardest part about it. We've been really close in all of our games this season, particularly the ones we've lost, to playing our best footy.
"Then last week we had an aberration, that was a performance that just wasn't good enough. We let everybody down who is involved in our club, we let our fans down too, which is disappointing.
"One game doesn't make a season and eight games don't make a season. It's one really poor performance - at this point that's all it is. We get a chance to bounce back."
Taylor knows he is under pressure as his side sits above only the Knights and Roosters on the ladder.
"It's part of the game, it's part of this job and it's part of a lot of jobs in the world today," he said. "I'm fine because what I know is what matters is our performance. How things have gone this week is based on the fact that we played really poorly and it wasn't good enough. That's what comes on the back of that sort of performance.
"It's up to us, we control the pressure by performing better. If we don't perform better the pressure will remain or it will increase. If we do it will go away. We're in charge of that as a club, we're in charge of that as a team and we're the ones who can do something about it."
Taylor brushed off suggestions his team were no longer playing for him. "It's clear to see that the performances this season have been full of great character," he said. "It was only six days prior to the Canberra game that we took the Melbourne Storm into extra time and played a really strong game. That stuff comes on the back of one poor performance, I find that stuff disappointing ...
"You're not happy when you're sitting in the coach's box and you see the team performing poorly but it's not due to what I'll receive from the fans and the media, it's because you're disappointed in your own performance. We have absolute pride in our performance and that wasn't good enough last week."

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ason-taylor-wielding-axe-20160427-gog61p.html
 

madunit

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Not for one second do I believe that we can be at the second tier cap roof.

I just had a look at the Tigers first grade squad on their site. They have 34 players.

Addo Carr Aloiai Ballin Brooks Buchanan Cassel Chee-Kam Cherrington Drinkwater Edwards Farah Graham J.Grant T.Grant Griffin Halatau Heleta Hunt Lawrence Littlejohn Lovett Milone Moses Naiqama Nofoaluma Peni Rankin Seumanufagai Simona B.Sironen C.Sironen Sue Tedesco Woods
I'll take an educated guess and say that our top 25 squad is in that group of 34.

Means 9 players in that list are outside our top 25.
I assume then that the following are outside the cap and would form part of the second tier cap

Addo Carr
Cassel
Drinkwater
Graham
J.Grant
Griffin
Heleta
Peni
B.Sironen

If so, then that would mean we have only had:
Addo Carr 1 game
Felise 2 games

no way are we over the second tier cap for just that
 

Fordy20

Juniors
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Two years ago, Potter was in the same position as JT. Had injuries and such to deal with and salary cap constraints preventing him from playing blokes from the lower grades. If Potter's performance wasn't good enough to get a contract extension, I can't see Taylor getting extended next year.
 
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Not for one second do I believe that we can be at the second tier cap roof.

I just had a look at the Tigers first grade squad on their site. They have 34 players.

Addo Carr Aloiai Ballin Brooks Buchanan Cassel Chee-Kam Cherrington Drinkwater Edwards Farah Graham J.Grant T.Grant Griffin Halatau Heleta Hunt Lawrence Littlejohn Lovett Milone Moses Naiqama Nofoaluma Peni Rankin Seumanufagai Simona B.Sironen C.Sironen Sue Tedesco Woods
I'll take an educated guess and say that our top 25 squad is in that group of 34.

Means 9 players in that list are outside our top 25.
I assume then that the following are outside the cap and would form part of the second tier cap

Addo Carr
Cassel
Drinkwater
Graham
J.Grant
Griffin
Heleta
Peni
B.Sironen

If so, then that would mean we have only had:
Addo Carr 1 game
Felise 2 games

no way are we over the second tier cap for just that
Does anyone know how the 2nd tier cap actually works?

Is is purely based on contract value?
Does a club nominate to the NRL their top 25? Their next 9 (when using 34 as above)?
Can a club go back to the NRL, if previous point is what happens, and say we want to make amendments based on x, y and z?



 
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As soon as the season started the club seemed to be using this as an excuse to not promote players which i found odd,it is also totally unfair on those players in reggies who have goals of playing fg,imagine coming to this club then finding yourself in trapped in that position,no wonder the WT have trouble attracting and retaining decent players.
 
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I should have looked it up rather than asking:

SALARY CAP BREAKDOWN

NRL PAYMENTS FOR THE TOP 25 $6.1 million - Basic payments for the Top 25 players including Sponsor Servicing Allowance ($200k) which is automatically given to all clubs to compensate players for club sponsorship activities including appearances and endorsements.
Also included is a Long Serving Player Allowance ($300K) per Club for eligible players who have played more than six continuous years of grade football with that club including Holden Cup and NSW Cup.
+ $243,750 per team - Paid by the NRL to the RLPA towards players' Retirement Account Contribution.
+ $100,000 per team - Paid by the NRL to the RLPA towards their administration funding.
*Payments under the actual salary cap total $6.30 million paid directly by clubs across the Top 25 players. The additional $343,750 paid into the RLPA Retirement and Administration Fund Contribution is not defined as a salary cap payment.
What players can earn outside the salary cap:
$600,000 - Marquee Player Allowance - any or all of the Top 25 players at each club can share in payments made by club sponsors seeking to use a player's intellectual property. These may be guaranteed in the playing contract by clubs.
$100,000 - Motor Vehicle Allowance – a maximum amount of five motor vehicles may be provided to players in the Top 25 outside of the salary cap. (Valued at $20,000 each).
Unlimited - Players can earn unlimited amounts from corporate sponsors who are not associated with the club and who do not use the game's intellectual property (no club logos, jerseys or emblems) provided these are pre-approved. These agreements may not be negotiated by the club as an incentive for a player to sign a contract, nor can they be guaranteed by the club.
Unlimited - Tertiary education fees, approved traineeships, medical insurance costs, relocation/temporary accommodation costs are not included in the cap but must be approved.

Payments for players outside Top 25

$460,000 - Cap for all players outside of the top 25 who compete in the Telstra Premiership.
So whats the problem? Are they still paying for players playing for other clubs such as Blair, Brown & Austin?



 

BuffaloRules

Coach
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I cant believe that even less than half way into the season that some clubs haven't used more than 25 players already...
 

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