I am quite sure he know how he stays financial and I am quite sure it is legitimate. The article talks about Suzanne being financial and not knowing about it, which could simply be a thing within their marriage that needs to be discussed.
I guess I'll have to take you on your word at that then. I still think the club could be a little more organised, communicative and transparent in these membership matters - that's my main belief.
See above, Hadley has mentioned in years gone by that he is a Financial member of the Parramatta club, he has also mentioned why. I personally think the article you are referring to, which is in Bec and Buzz is a bit of muck racking.
Could well be. But do you thionk the club can/should be a little more organised, communicative and transparent in membership matters MITS, or are you happy with how things are and the individual cases of confusion which seem to regularly arise?
I believe that was Holic or Eelz47 and what happened in that case was after become a member they walked into the AGM late, simply wrote their name on the register picked up the voting slips. That year voting for the board that had no opposition. Voting meant putting your coloured ballot in the air, the same as voting for Life members. Either way it was luckily inconsequential, but I see that as a failure of the returning office who allows people to vote. They were ineligible to vote, and until this year should not have voted, they were listed as non-voting members. I believe that their voting forms were not signed on the back as a voting members are, and if they weren't then in a formal election they would not be counted.
Agreed, but I ultimately see that as a responsibility of the club who is engaging the returning officers that oversee their vote. Again, I see it as an example of how the clubs could be a little more professional in how it organises its own governance, which is/was my main/only point in this thread. I would like to see things improve for the club's own sake,
No the actual cost of putting the information up would be quite negligible. Putting up the membership form as a PDF document would also do that. But, I do wonder what sort of effect it would have on Blue and Gold army sales. See you would have 2 sorts of "Membership", the first appears to be quite like that of the Red V or other sorts of Memberships which hold only voting rights to player of the year (as referenced in the other thread).
You probably know my thoughts on membership, STHs, B&G A and the overlaps and omissions between the categories. In fact our views on that might be the same? We already have more than two types of "membership" as things are, hence some of the confusions and barriers to participation at our club.
As it is, accountability of the NRL operations couldn't be more distant from fans members in a public club. There might have been a reason for that 10 years ago, but in my opinion there is not now.
We are talking here about needing the income from the fans, that these Fan Clubs and Season ticket holders are quite valuable, but then you also want to put a membership form up for the football club, a group which controls The Junior League and Junior Representative Football in the Parramatta District.
Now I am not tight, but what do you think a person solely interested in the NRL side would do if they saw that on our Website. Pay the $45 for the Blue and Gold Army, or the $25 for the football club? I would guess the football club as it is cheaper. Then I can imagine the disappointment and the angst against the club when said member finds out they have joined something that has no relivance to the NRL side that they are a fan off.
Even more reason to revisit - and simplify our club's membership and board structures imo.
The accusation that people want to vote but can't vote in this election simply seems to re-enforce the apathetic attitude that the Parramatta Eels fans have.
Maybe. It also could be an indicator that the club(s) can do much more to promote participation by their members in their governance? That follows my main beliefe theme that they need to get more professional about it.
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Yes, no-one is arguing that the fan base of a club will be by nature apathetic. I'm simply talking in reference to the case that has befallen Maroubra Eel, who is hardly apathetic and has infact gone about wanting to vote obver three years in exactly the right way.
The thing is it has taken Hellsy's online push over the course of three years to turn some of that apathy around. What has the club done in that time to tackle the apathy and build a culture of improved participation? Sweet FA imo.
Even as a long-term season ticket I certainly wouldn't have known about the football club or cared about paying and participating in the decision-making of the organisation without the luck of coming across Hellsy's thread here. Many Leagues Club members are part of the general Parra fan-base don't know how they can influence the directions of the NRL operations through the director elections. My point is simply that the club(s) should be doing much more to educate and involve the general fan base, and reap the benefits of greater participation instead of do very little and bemoan the fact that people haven't been/weren't taking up what I'd call proper membership, or haven't been (welcomed to?) join in for the greater good.
I don't think a simple HTML website will clear up the apathy of Parramatta fans, which I think is the bigger hurdle to joining. Parramatta fan want to watch their side play, they expect them to win, and say they will oust Denis Fitzgerald (and in the past Brian Smith) when they don't.
Is that reason not to do it though? Hellsy and her nominating and seconding helpers (of which I know you are one) achieved 200+ memberships, through a mere internet thread and some personal energy. Where is this same energy matched by the employed professionals of our club(s)?
Do you think people become Blue and Gold army members because they want a vote? This club is almost now as large as our Football club. Do you think these people expect to be able to vote on Denis Fitzgeralds future.
I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to promote the opportunity and even throw in membership as part of the deal... you never know, many B&GA members (or STHs should the club deem to include them more in the governance side) might actually like to. I wonder if our ill-informed truckie just had the wrong type of membership, because the virtues of the others that come with some opportunity to influence aren't/weren't pushed enough by our club?
I guess the simple way to work out if we agree to disagree MITS is whether you think the club can improve it's professionalism around governance and fan/member participartion or whether you think it's OK how it has been in the past lets say five years (post-Trish)?
If you think that side of the club's operations can/should be improved, then I'm not sure why you're taking umbrage in specifics when someone says so. If you don't think it can/should be improved, then fair enough that's your view but it's one we don't share. (Which is fine, I'll still happily have a bourbon with you after the meeting.)
