Who should be in the Kangaroos Four Nations Squad

[Shorty]

No that is not what is happening here

What is happening here is trial by the daily telegraph reacted to by the nrl
A reprimand is verbal and may even be public
Denying someone of income to satisfy the triggered target of the latest pc crusade of the month is not a reprimand it is a financial punitive penalty

I keep seeing the pc thing.

Do you really think 50 years ago this would have blown over? I'd have thought it was worse.
It's been explained why Fifita has come under fire by the NRL, I don't understand the snubbing but perhaps an apology and fine weren't negotiable?

 

[millersnose]

A fine for what?
What conditions has he breeched?

 

[Shorty]

A fine for what?
What conditions has he breeched?

Exactly.
So what does the NRL do, nothing? You can make a case that wearing those initials has brought the game into controversy, as explained previously...if you did something like this with an employer you would expect ramifications.
Do you think that would have a good outcome for the look of the game?

 

[millersnose]

I already stated it

A firm public reprimand and warning that it will not be tolerated from anyone in the future

 

[adamkungl]

Do you understand that by Fifita wearing such initials it is then an NRL problem because they either condone it (by not addressing it) or condemn it (by addressing it).
There can be no in between, you can't go....oh he's just supporting a friend...because he wore those initials during a live telecast football game, then in clarifying it he has forced the NRL's hand.

So which is it? Coz this looks a lot like an inbetween half punishment.

The NRL haven't finished their investigation, somehow (it's not exactly a deep issue, either he's in shit for writing on his wrists or he isn't), meaning he can't be punished yet, but he's been specifically excluded from both the Australian side and a deserving Clive Churchill Medal, which looks a lot like a punishment. But he wasn't informed of these punishments at any time, until after the fact. And was allowed to star in a Grand final.

Will these not-punishments be taken into account when he's actually punished? It's gonna look pretty farcical if he receives an NRL suspension for something he did months ago and won a GF in between.

Amateur hour.

 

[adamkungl]

Exactly.
So what does the NRL do, nothing? You can make a case that wearing those initials has brought the game into controversy, as explained previously...if you did something like this with an employer you would expect ramifications.
Do you think that would have a good outcome for the look of the game?

Ramifications for an indiscretion have to be clear, you can't just hope he doesn't play well in a GF then make it up on the spot, while digging up incidents from a different season to help justify it.

 

[Shorty]

I already stated it

A firm public reprimand and warning that it will not be tolerated from anyone in the future

I'm just wondering if this was so simple, wouldn't they have done this already?

 

[millersnose]

The simple answer is always the easiest
They simply decided to.ignore it as an issue and avoid any issue by not selecting on merit
Seven weeks ago the prospect of a fifita chuchill medal would have seemed pretty remote
The fly in the ointment bring fifita being the outstanding forward.of the entire finals.series making his omission on merit look silly
So they gritted their teeth and came up with this

In hindsight I bet they wished they dealt with it at the time

I have some sympathy for them though as the disastrously rushed.pearce penalty would have made them reluctant to repeat that rushing mistake again

 

[no name]

So which is it? Coz this looks a lot like an inbetween half punishment.

The NRL haven't finished their investigation, somehow (it's not exactly a deep issue, either he's in shit for writing on his wrists or he isn't), meaning he can't be punished yet, but he's been specifically excluded from both the Australian side and a deserving Clive Churchill Medal, which looks a lot like a punishment. But he wasn't informed of these punishments at any time, until after the fact. And was allowed to star in a Grand final.

Will these not-punishments be taken into account when he's actually punished? It's gonna look pretty farcical if he receives an NRL suspension for something he did months ago and won a GF in between.

Amateur hour.

It's not like they haven't had this before either with Auva'a.

 

[adamkungl]

It's not like they haven't had this before either with Auva'a.

That was a law issue awaiting trial, this is an issue of whether he has broken NRL rules or not.
But clearly they learned nothing and probably won't here either

 

[Vic Mackey]

He's overrated as f**k.
I cant believe people were putting him in front of Boyd for fullback....really?

I don't think he should have been there ahead of Boyd, 3rd or 4th in line for Aus fullback seems about right for me. Boyd also has the luxury of playing behind a pack with like 7 internationals. If Teddy played for Brisbane it would be scary what he would do every week.

I don't really see him as being Over rated though. There's little doubt he's one of the best attacking players in the competition. it's not like he's just come on this year, it's been about 3 solid years of red hot form now.

 

[no name]

That was a law issue awaiting trial, this is an issue of whether he has broken NRL rules or not.
But clearly they learned nothing and probably won't here either

Yeah, but the fact that he pleaded guilty meant he was always going to cop a suspension.
Souths played them for the fools they are.
As you say they learned nothing from that.

 

[adamkungl]

Yeah, but the fact that he pleaded guilty meant he was always going to cop a suspension.
Souths played them for the fools they are.
As you say they learned nothing from that.

Jeez I thought Auvau plead not-guilty which was the reason for the delay.
That's ridiculous if he pled guilty and stayed on the field.

 

[no name]

Jeez I thought Auvau plead not-guilty which was the reason for the delay.
That's ridiculous if he pled guilty and stayed on the field.

http://forums.leagueunlimited.com/t...after-bashing-a-woman-after-a-wedding.435503/

 

[no name]

Also what happens if James Graham or Jesse Bromwich do something off field?
Can the Greenberg and the ARL intervene to stop them from getting picked for their respective countries?
Opening up a massive can of worms here.

 

[myrrh ken]

Teddy is 2nd in line behind Boyd.

 

[TheFrog]

That just further proves what a Rort the Dally m is then lol. I can think of atleast 5 games where Teddy was man of the match so that equals 15 points straight up, then you'd think he'd be good enough for a couple points here and there?

Couldn't agree more that it's a rort with serious credibility issues. Didn't watch enough Tigers games, especially in the first half of the season, to really be able to comment on how many he should have got.

 

[souths_reborn]

Also what happens if James Graham or Jesse Bromwich do something off field?
Can the Greenberg and the ARL intervene to stop them from getting picked for their respective countries?
Opening up a massive can of worms here.

I'd say no because the Rugby Football League (the governing body of the English Rugby League team) and the New Zealand rugby league are not subsidiaries of the National Rugby League. In other words, the NRL has no control over the English and New Zealand rugby league teams, only the Australian. I think the only thing that the NRL could do in regards to getting players of other countries suspended is to appeal to the governing bodies of those respective countries, or possibly the Rugby League International Federation and make a recommendation.

 

[souths_reborn]

Yes the media will report on stories if they figure them out. What can I say ? It wasn't a private message for one thing. It was an extremely public message that was broadcast using the nrls media reach

I agree that it should not be illegal for fifita to associate with loveridge. You won't get an argument from me there

But I don't *get* why folks are playing dumb about the position he put the nrl in. He was not Andrew fifita private citizen sending a message to a mate in private. He was wearing his sharks uniform, he was broadcasting the message over the nrls media. He puts everyone associated with the sharks and nrl (sponsors say) into a shitty situation.

I've worked a few jobs with a uniform policy in my day and I've seen folks fired for doing things in uniform that a private citizen can legally do.

I think that what you say is 100% spot on. What a lot of people who think that Fifita shouldn't be sanctioned are forgetting is that the rugby league field during games is essentially the players' workplace and the workplace is not a forum for airing your political views. In most other jobs, regardless of what they may be, employees would be told to either cover up or remove anything that contained a political message on it. Whether Fifita's cause is noble or not is not the matter at stake here; the area of concern is professionalism, as you imply, and having words/messages written on your strapping is a breach of this. I was dumbfounded that the NRL came out and said that "it was hard to police." I thought that was a load of codswallop! Policing it is simple - introduce the rule that no player be allowed to have writing/message on their strapping, regardless of how honorable it may be. I get that some players like doing it because it reminds them of personal charities that they may be aligned to but there are plenty of other way that they can show their support. Really, there shouldn't be any need for players to have messages written on their strapping during games.

 

[myrrh ken]

Madness. So you're not going to let Gal dedicate games to this Kieren?http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/cro...e/news-story/57d6f154df6f7556e27f35a19ea0278c