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Why are Gallop and the NRL so ANTI the Central Coast Bears?

Perth Red

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The reality of the situation is that An NRL license is far too valuable a commodity to be wasted on yet another NSW club within driving distance of 10 existing teams.

While sad that a foundation club such as the Bears was mismanaged to bankruptcy, I don't see how they can re-enter.


1. Gallop has stated that the NRL sees Perth, Wellington, the Central Coast and SE-QLD (again) as likely bases for future NRL clubs.

2. He has stated that 18 teams is the highest the NRL can accommodate.

3. He has stated (numerous times) that the NRL believe there are too many Sydney based clubs.

4. There is an $8-$12 million dollar offer for an existing team to relocate to the Central Coast.

5. The available sponsorship and corporate support in the greater Sydney area is strongly contested, the 10 clubs within driving distance won't want yet another competitor, especially given the financial concerns of NSW clubs over the coming years.

6. An additional Central Coast team won't provide the increase in TV revenue that Perth or Wellington can.

7. A relocation to the CC is a far easier sell then to Perth or NZ or QLD. Fans can still get to the stadium relatively easy.

Hits the nail on the head

For all his bumbling Gallop and the NRL board know that the last two licences are too precious to give one to another NSW team. I feel for the Bears fans and club and especially the fans on the CC as they are the ones that are getting shafted the most in all of this
 
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The reality is that the Bears were wrongly put into administration THEN $12 million+ was put into the Bears AFTER the merger with Manly. If this was ever genuinely investigated (for example, in a class action), there would be numerous high profile indivuals and businesses very keen not to see this exposed.

Now, a club that is genuinely broke is being protected once again.

10 years the Bears have been waiting. The Cronulla proposal for Gosford is virtually identical to the Northern Eagles fraud in 1999.

If it happens, you can be assured that the backlash will be significant and the legal ramifications significant - which would be even more damaging for rugby league.

Galllop needs to tread very, very carefully here. As do News Limited.

Oh, They don't give a flying fart what happens as long as it can easily be infiltrated by its journos. Cronulla should stay i the shire plain and simple. The AFL are hell bent on not seeing a Melbourne relocate to a new destination and we should have the same focus here.
 

LeagueXIII

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Why does Gallop want to see RL increase in value as News wouldn't be able to maximise it's profit as they will win the rights again after we have gone through the charade of it being a fair and equal negotiation. Tell me what is Gallo doing to increase the value of the game? Sweet FA that's what!!! He is a disgrace.

I wonder if we will ever be rid of him and his News Ltd leeches?
 
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Rockin Ronny

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Why does Gallop want to see RL increase in value as News wouldn't be able to maximise it's profit as they will win the rights again after we have gone through the charade of it being a fair and equal negotiation. Tell me what is Gallo doing to increase the value of the game? Sweet FA that's what!!! He is a disgrace.

I wonder if we will ever be rid of him and his News Ltd leeches?

News Limited owning rugby league.
Gallop as CEO.
Politicians allowing this to happen in the first place.

This is why the economics of the world are arse-up.

Here's an idea - let's have a "criteria" again. Not like the late 90's - which was staged to favour some clubs and deliver a News Limited agenda. I mean a real criteria where unfinancial clubs with poor crowds and sh*t juniors get booted.
 
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News Limited owning rugby league.
Gallop as CEO.
Politicians allowing this to happen in the first place.

This is why the economics of the world are arse-up.

Here's an idea - let's have a "criteria" again. Not like the late 90's - which was staged to favour some clubs and deliver a News Limited agenda. I mean a real criteria where unfinancial clubs with poor crowds and sh*t juniors get booted.

Are you refering to the Sharks???
 
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The NRL wil always be 50% owned by News so long as they are reaping rewards from it and getting back the dollars they lost during and after the Super League War. I think once they no longer see it as a source to suck funds out of they'll either leave it or remain apart of it to continue to annoy us.
 

adamkungl

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I don't see what the big deal is...CC gets an NRL side for 6 games a year, plus the 2 roosters games and whoever else plays up there, which is more than kogarah, illawarra, campbeltown, and leichardt are currently getting. In 3 years, the Sharks piss off back home, are better off because of it, and the CC get the Bears. Imo Sharks and Bears should co promote this - good crowds up their for the next few years can only show the NRL that the CC deserves its own side.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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2. He has stated that 18 teams is the highest the NRL can accommodate.

Iv heard this before but dont understand why? Why cant the NRL support more then 18 teams?

The AFL have 10 teams in Melbourne, why cant NSW support 10 teams, let alone Sydney?

Iv seen good arguments for all the teams currently in the NRL to have a licence. (Inc Cronulla)

I also see good evidence for the Central Coast, Perth and SE Qld or a 2nd Brisbane team to have a licence. (Not convinced on Wellington because I havent seen much of an argument for them, would love to see one though. Central Qld could not be a priority over SE Qld)

As I can see, the NRL by 2020 could have a 20 team competition (Hows that for a marketing campaign :sarcasm: )
 
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Didgi

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3 games/week on TV, sh*thouse crowds.

4-5 games/week on TV, good as crowds.

Match the code to the scenario.

A criteria is the best way to do it, also ensures a new team wont just fall over as soon as they enter the comp.
 
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Iv heard this before but dont understand why? Why cant the NRL support more then 18 teams?

The AFL have 10 teams in Melbourne, why cant NSW support 10 teams, let alone Sydney?

Iv seen good arguments for all the teams currently in the NRL to have a licence. (Inc Cronulla)

I also see good evidence for the Central Coast, Perth and SE Qld or a 2nd Brisbane team to have a licence. (Not convinced on Wellington because I havent seen much of an argument for them, would love to see one though. Central Qld could not be a priority over SE Qld)

As I can see, the NRL by 2020 could have a 20 team competition (Hows that for a marketing campaign :sarcasm: )

It's a very achievable target but by then if we are to keep the smae clubs as we have now, we need to first see a reduction in dependancy on Leagues Clubs and an increase on Memberships. A this stage, Memberships are going up but revenue is sinking fast.
 

Fein

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News Limited owning rugby league.
Gallop as CEO.
Politicians allowing this to happen in the first place.

This is why the economics of the world are arse-up.

Here's an idea - let's have a "criteria" again. Not like the late 90's - which was staged to favour some clubs and deliver a News Limited agenda. I mean a real criteria where unfinancial clubs with poor crowds and sh*t juniors get booted.

Should we also factor in "off field discretions" just to ensure "you know who" go "you know where"? :lol::lol:

Keep fighting the good fight Ronny. ;-)
 
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Should we also factor in "off field discretions" just to ensure "you know who" go "you know where"? :lol::lol:

Keep fighting the good fight Ronny. ;-)
8-[ Anyways... to argue on this topic ask yourself this... Does News Ltd really contribute to proactively increase Rugby League's populatrity across this great nation???
 

Fein

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8-[ Anyways... to argue on this topic ask yourself this... Does News Ltd really contribute to proactively increase Rugby League's populatrity across this great nation???

Contribute - undeniably.
Proactively - on occasions.
Increased popularity - yes and no - shift in power to QLD has resulted.

Are News Limted on a campaign to "devalue" the game in the lead up to the next contract rights negotiations?
 

Loudstrat

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Firstly, two points.

1) Last time Cronulla were strong (as per last year) was when they had Lang as coach, Dykes at pivot feeding the likes of Peachey and Rogers out wide. Exciting to watch. This side, while winning as many games as the grand finalists, is not pretty to watch. This may be the reason not many fans are entering their home ground.

2) Could this be a last minute back door attempt to sneak into Gosford before the Bears bid gets more momentum - and earning $8 million (or $12 if it's changed)?

The reality of the situation is that An NRL license is far too valuable a commodity to be wasted on yet another NSW club within driving distance of 10 existing teams.
Dots on the map attitude. If a CC based club averages 16k, where else would beat that? It's about money for bums on seats, not dots on the map.

While sad that a foundation club such as the Bears was mismanaged to bankruptcy, I don't see how they can re-enter.
Not really. Weather beat them as it caused a blow out in building costs, which wouldn't have been spend had they not been promised a licence there in the first place.


1. Gallop has stated that the NRL sees Perth, Wellington, the Central Coast and SE-QLD (again) as likely bases for future NRL clubs.

2. He has stated that 18 teams is the highest the NRL can accommodate.
Agree.

3. He has stated (numerous times) that the NRL believe there are too many Sydney based clubs.
Disagree. He has stated that he believed Sydney clubs will be supported by the NRL to survive, and that decimation of Sydney is not the answer.

4. There is an $8-$12 million dollar offer for an existing team to relocate to the Central Coast.
Agree
5. The available sponsorship and corporate support in the greater Sydney area is strongly contested, the 10 clubs within driving distance won't want yet another competitor, especially given the financial concerns of NSW clubs over the coming years.
Evidence? There is to my knowledge no sponsorshp money being harvested from the Central Coast. Most sponsorship is localised to clubs, and others are large corporations to which location of the club is not really important.

6. An additional Central Coast team won't provide the increase in TV revenue that Perth or Wellington can.
Rubbish. Going to 18 teams - ie an extra game per week, is the biggest potential boost in TV earnings. No one in Perth will get Pay TV just because they have a local team in the comp. INstead, they will spend their money at the turnstile. Fans in Perth keen enough to follow the entire comp will already have pay TV.
7. A relocation to the CC is a far easier sell then to Perth or NZ or QLD. Fans can still get to the stadium relatively easy.
Maybe - it's a nightmare getting from the Shire to Gosford by public transport. Imagine getting home relying on trains departiung after 9.30 pm?

I'm about 2hrs 20m from EA. A night game sees me arrive home at 12.30am. Cronulla may be closer than Gosford, but with kids, you won't be home much before midnight. It's a tough thing to ask every fortnight from March to September.

If I was running a team seeking relocation, I'd be looking at Sunshine Coast, maybe Perth or Wellington. A side without the hate factor of Manly or Canterbury has a chance to be adopted by these places - although another Brisbane side has to be home grown. And when a relocated side returns to play away games in Sydney, there will be an existing groundswell of support - AKA Swans in Melbourne, or even Souths fans p[laying at Leichhardt, SFS or Kogarah.

A Shire based Sharkes fan is more likely to spend their time and money on 8 away games in the Sydney area, then 20 games in the Sydney area - with 12 being at the furthest ground.

Any team on the CC, as is the case in Perth, SEQ, Wellington or Adelaide, will be relying on locals filling the grounds. Travelling 80-100kms across Sydney is a far harder task than through the freeways of SEQ, or any other non Sydney location represented in the NRL.
 

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6. An additional Central Coast team won't provide the increase in TV revenue that Perth or Wellington can.

I can understand the argument for Wellington but how will Perth? Melbourne Storm have been around for 11 years now and still can't get Channel9 to show their games live. Isnt channel 9 in perth privately owned anyway? Playing games at 1am in the morning isnt going to increase the tv rights. Im not against a perth team. i think if anything the sharks should be playing games their and not adelaide. But I think QLD and CC (bears) should be priority.
 

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This puts the Bears in a tough position. In reality they have the most to lose and Cronulla the most to gain.

If the Sharks take quite a few games there in the next few years and attract a following, then return fulltime to Cronulla when their finances are sorted...the Bears in the meantime have lost valuable profile, corporate support, general backing etc. Furthermore the license that the Sharks would still hold would make it less likely that the Bears be readmitted as you would still have a "surplus NSW team" situation.


On the other hand the Sharks have 3 options;

i) they can rebuild their finances and return to Cronulla in the medium term, possibly having gained a wider fan base. In the meantime the Bears have lost valuable momentum in their attempt to gain readmission.

ii) they can take the 8 million and secure themselves as the Central Coast Sharks. This would effectively kill the Bears.

iii) Pseudo-relocate themselves as the "Coastal Sharks", still playing out of both Shark Park and the CC. Again this would kill the Bears.


Meanwhile the Bears have few options at this stage now that Cronulla have so firmly planted their flag on the CC.
 
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This puts the Bears in a tough position. In reality they have the most to lose and Cronulla the most to gain.

If the Sharks take quite a few games there in the next few years and attract a following, then return fulltime to Cronulla when their finances are sorted...the Bears in the meantime have lost valuable profile, corporate support, general backing etc. Furthermore the license that the Sharks would still hold would make it less likely that the Bears be readmitted as you would still have a "surplus NSW team" situation.


On the other hand the Sharks have 3 options;

i) they can rebuild their finances and return to Cronulla in the medium term, possibly having gained a wider fan base. In the meantime the Bears have lost valuable momentum in their attempt to gain readmission.

ii) they can take the 8 million and secure themselves as the Central Coast Sharks. This would effectively kill the Bears.

iii) Pseudo-relocate themselves as the "Coastal Sharks", still playing out of both Shark Park and the CC. Again this would kill the Bears.


Meanwhile the Bears have few options at this stage now that Cronulla have so firmly planted their flag on the CC.

Once the Central Coast Bears are able to secure a fair amount of equity and solid corporate backing(considering it is an attractive idea, that won't be so difficult) they are front-centre for being allocated the spot to Central Coast.
 

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I can understand the argument for Wellington but how will Perth? Melbourne Storm have been around for 11 years now and still can't get Channel9 to show their games live. Isnt channel 9 in perth privately owned anyway? Playing games at 1am in the morning isnt going to increase the tv rights. Im not against a perth team. i think if anything the sharks should be playing games their and not adelaide. But I think QLD and CC (bears) should be priority.

This is the bizarre situation RL finds itself in. AFL sells its deals to both TV and corporate sponsors based on their FTA coverage into every corner of Australia. In theory having the likes of Melbourne, Perth, Adelaide etc adds significantly to exposure for the game and for sponsors (again in theory as we know it doesn't always translate to big TV audiences but this doesnt seem to matter to the sponsors). So in theory if the NRL grows some balls, enters Perth in 2013 and insists on FTA coverage in all areas then it can entice sponsors with a "potential" new viewing audience of over 7 million! This also gets translated down to club level and gets bigger national companies on board for clubs bringing in more money.

Perth also gives the advantage of the time difference allowing a more valuable live game schedule to TV.
 

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Hits the nail on the head

For all his bumbling Gallop and the NRL board know that the last two licences are too precious to give one to another NSW team. I feel for the Bears fans and club and especially the fans on the CC as they are the ones that are getting shafted the most in all of this
The NRL should offer the Sharks $10 million to merge with another Sydney club. That would free up a franchise for expansion.
 

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