Why Can't the Video Ref Rule On a Forward Pass?

[Jaegerex]

Ball was passed backwards for mine.

People seem to believe that a ball cannot travel forward under any circumstances.

Likewise, I was only watching it on my phone at work though, looked like it left his hands backwards but carried forward with momentum, Brown himself stayed in front of where the ball ended up with his run after release.

But I would have to agree that the downtown ruled probably should of been applied, I had completely forgotten it and it appears the refs may have as well.

 

[typicalfan]

There is no way Browne passed that back, he was running on an angle against the pass which meant he would have had to make a concerted effort to pass it back but he basically just tossed it.

 

[TheFrog]

Make the rule that the ball mustn't travel forward rather than be thrown forward...and put GPS trackers on the ball. BUT only use the GPS data when a try has been scored.

If it hits the ground and then travels forward, that is ok. If the wind or momentum carries it forward, bad luck. If playing in a gale, you don't pass much and keep them short, this has always been the case.

 

[Meth]

Make the rule that the ball mustn't travel forward rather than be thrown forward...and put GPS trackers on the ball. BUT only use the GPS data when a try has been scored.

If it hits the ground and then travels forward, that is ok. If the wind or momentum carries it forward, bad luck. If playing in a gale, you don't pass much and keep them short, this has always been the case.

GPS trackers on the ball.

That'll do me

 

[oikee]

Over-ruling decisions while waiting to restart is now becoming another blight on the code.
The game is a amateur basketcase, until they introduce a captains challenge and get rid of the video ref altogether, you will get dud calls.
This time it is a strip, next time it is a dropped ball, all depends on the way the wind is blowing.
Just laugh and turn the sucker off if you dont like comedy.

 

[nick87]

It's utterly ridiculous that the video refs cant rule on a forward pass like that. If it's not clear, fine, but when it's as obvious as that one, there is absolutely no reason why they shouldnt be able to make a call.

 

[Charlie124]

Nope. It was an absolute joke.

They would look at the replay for about 5 minutes and still not be able to make the correct call.

This does not sound like the video ref I know and love.

Lies!

 

[Harley Gorillason]

Make the rule that the ball mustn't travel forward rather than be thrown forward...and put GPS trackers on the ball. BUT only use the GPS data when a try has been scored.

If it hits the ground and then travels forward, that is ok. If the wind or momentum carries it forward, bad luck. If playing in a gale, you don't pass much and keep them short, this has always been the case.

You do know how momentum and physics work right? If the game was to be ruled based on the ball not being allowed to travel forward then players would have to come to a dead stop before they could pass the ball and that would be even worse for the game then the occurrences of debate between forward passes and momentum.

 

[Card Shark]

Make the rule that the ball mustn't travel forward rather than be thrown forward...and put GPS trackers on the ball. BUT only use the GPS data when a try has been scored.

If it hits the ground and then travels forward, that is ok. If the wind or momentum carries it forward, bad luck. If playing in a gale, you don't pass much and keep them short, this has always been the case.

Make the field half the width as well & put in sideline seating.

If the ball is not allowed to float forward with a player's momentum, short passes will be all that we'd ever see.

 

[Sea_Eagles_Rock]

Over-ruling decisions while waiting to restart is now becoming another blight on the code.
The game is a amateur basketcase, until they introduce a captains challenge and get rid of the video ref altogether, you will get dud calls.
This time it is a strip, next time it is a dropped ball, all depends on the way the wind is blowing.
Just laugh and turn the sucker off if you dont like comedy.

I think you still need the video for the captain's challenge. A couple of things on this concept though. It should be like the cricket model. You only use up a challenge if you are wrong. Nothing worse than challenging two howlers and then getting a third you can't do anything about.

This still doesn't stop the video ref from getting forward passes wrong though. Back when the video was introduced the decision I thought the decision to get away from Video ruling on forward passes was caused by too many wrong decisions being made.

It is idiotic to be able to rule on all sorts of minor infringements that slow the game down, while obvious errors are ignored that actually contribute to points on the scoreboard. The whole thing needs an overhaul in the off season. It is a gigantic, steaming pile of dung at the moment.

 

[Card Shark]

We use the video ref for correcting other errors. For example the catch in the in-goal earlier in the game

The trouble is the inconsistency.

Why did they reverse the decision last night but didn't in the state of origin.....that was a massive, blatant wrong call when it hit Woods' chest off the kickoff before going dead on the "full".

As much as I think "suck it" to Qld, I prefer decisions to be correct so the best team wins, not decided by an incorrect call that could've been reversed.

Ya either do it, or ya don't. Not sometimes, a that is favouring some teams over others & that's when refs can be accused of bias.

 

[ek999]

The trouble is the inconsistency.

Why did they reverse the decision last night but didn't in the state of origin.....that was a massive, blatant wrong call when it hit Woods' chest off the kickoff before going dead on the "full".

As much as I think "suck it" to Qld, I prefer decisions to be correct so the best team wins, not decided by an incorrect call that could've been reversed.

Ya either do it, or ya don't. Not sometimes, a that is favouring some teams over others & that's when refs can be accused of bias.

I don't think it was blatant though, it probably hit his chest but there was no conclusive angle showing it hit his chest so the video ref couldn't overrule

 

[Card Shark]

I don't think it was blatant though, it probably hit his chest but there was no conclusive angle showing it hit his chest so the video ref couldn't overrule

I think it was blatant but you are of course entitled to your opinion.

That brings me back to the original question of this thread - why can't refs over-rule blatant forward passes?

Well, what is blatant??

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

I think it was blatant but you are of course entitled to your opinion.

That brings me back to the original question of this thread - why can't refs over-rule blatant forward passes?

Well, what is blatant??

Referees must have conclusive evidence to overturn a decision on a try and yet we're trying to quantify what a blatant forward pass is?

 

[Jaegerex]

The trouble is the inconsistency.

Why did they reverse the decision last night but didn't in the state of origin.....that was a massive, blatant wrong call when it hit Woods' chest off the kickoff before going dead on the "full".

As much as I think "suck it" to Qld, I prefer decisions to be correct so the best team wins, not decided by an incorrect call that could've been reversed.

Ya either do it, or ya don't. Not sometimes, a that is favouring some teams over others & that's when refs can be accused of bias.

I think it is like the video ref not being able to rule on something that happened on the previous tackle. Yeah it probably glanced it's chest, and Hodkinson probably realised that, so he took a quick kick into touch to make it the previous play, before the refs had a chance to second guess themselves and head up to the video ref. I would imagine at that point it couldn't be called back if the refs wished it or not.
I could be wrong and they were just stubborn *shrug*

 

[Apey]

If the wind or momentum carries it forward, bad luck.

:lol:

Has to be taking the piss.

 

[davi]

NRL admitted they got it wrong with the Broncos try to Jordan Kahu last night, with the last pass should have been ruled forward.

By saying that I support keeping the system where it is for the simple reason where do your draw line using video ref? The game needs fluency instead of being a constant stop/start like the NFL. There were already complaints that the bunker took too long last year making decisions and too many interruptions. You are just opening another can of worms ruling forward pass from video ref.

"The NRL has admitted the officials got a decision wrong after Brisbane scored a try against North Queensland at Suncorp Stadium on Friday night off a blatant forward pass to level the scores up at 18-all.

With the Broncos down 18-14, a break down the right edge led to Broncos centre James Roberts popping a pass to winger Jordan Kahu that was at least a metre forward.

The Cowboys immediately protested the decision but they fell on deaf ears as far as the touch judge and referee Matt Cecchin was concerned.


"Forward for your life, wasn't it?" Nine commentator Paul Vautin said.

"He got involved Roberts, he's thrown the last pass, we're of the opinion in the box that it went forward and so are the Cowboys."


After watching a replay Phil Gould added, "Well you wouldn't think they would miss that but it can happen.

"Little knock-ons and little forward passes, they'll miss those from time to time but that one was right out in the open for all to see."


The NRL posted a tweet on its Twitter feed last night where referees boss Tony Archer admitted the decision was wrong.

"In the 54th minute of the Broncos-Cowboys game you can see that a try is awarded to the Broncos," Archer said.

"In the lead-up to that play there is a pass from James Roberts to Jordan Kahu.

"That pass after reviewing all the angles is forward. The on-field officials allowed play to continue. They should have stopped play and ruled a scrum."


With Kahu unable to kick because of a leg injury, it was left to five-eighth Anthony Milford to line up for the conversion but he missed to leave the scores locked up at 18-all.


Both sides would exchange penalty goals before the game headed into golden point with Cowboys captain Johnathan Thurston landing a field goal to set up a thrilling 21-20 win."

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/03/10/...try-against-cowboys-off-blantant-forward-pass

 

[some11]

Give the crowd a forward button on their seat.

 

[Canard]

That one was obvious, but not every pass and camera angle is, so you can't make the Bunker rule on forward passes.

 

[POPEYE]

Referees in the Cowboys/Broncos game were pathetic, like the Highway Patrol they searched for insignificant easy marks to stop traffic and ignored misdemeanors that really mattered. The Bunker could have easily ruled on 'the' forward pass as 'too obvious' . . . might get a baker's dozen of those in a whole season but they still need to grow some balls