Why do we suck? #emothread

[Joker's Wild]

Well this shows that the team is capable of being fantastic. Some of these tries are simply brilliant and highlight just how disappointing our ball movement has been this year

[youtube]BcKRw8e5ecQ#t=937[/youtube]

 

[Noname36]

Well this shows that the team is capable of being fantastic. Some of these tries are simply brilliant and highlight just how disappointing our ball movement has been this year

[youtube]BcKRw8e5ecQ#t=937[/youtube]

I don't understand how we can go from this to the way we're playing now in one off season with the same coach and mostly the same side. Sure Bedsy is a massive loss but surely there's a lot more to it. Mullen's injury in particular f**ked us up and we haven't recovered even when he's come back IMO.

Also shows how much better we are when Boyd and Uate are having a go/in form.

 

[Zoidberg]

Somebody in this forum said during our finals run last year, this (2013) was our best hope for a premiership and would be for a while. I didn't believe it, didn't want to believe it, but it could of been spot on. We weren't fantastic all of last year, but we were building at the right time.

 

[perverse]

What still confuses me is the Stone > Bennett brigade on this forum saying we played better football in any way, shape or form when Stone was coach. Furthermore, they say we're boring. Do these people just want us to chip n chase every set? Go sideline to sideline 4 times a set before the kick? I don't understand what they're missing, we've put on some of the best attacking football since Joeys retirement since Wayne arrived.

We're a better team in every way... even if the results don't reflect that. Just look at our best footy under Wayne, it's miles beyond anything Stone achieved. Talk about nostalgia glasses.

I think the real reason for the criticisms is the weight of expectation. We weren't expected to do anything under Stone with a crappy roster - so when we did play some alright footy, it gave us a much bigger buzz than it does when we play far better football - but still below expectations - now in the Bennett era. There is no way we played better or more attractive football under Stone. Total myth perpetrated by understandably disgruntled supporters expecting more from our team now that we are better resourced.

 

[Noname36]

What still confuses me is the Stone > Bennett brigade on this forum saying we played better football in any way, shape or form when Stone was coach. Furthermore, they say we're boring. Do these people just want us to chip n chase every set? Go sideline to sideline 4 times a set before the kick? I don't understand what they're missing, we've put on some of the best attacking football since Joeys retirement since Wayne arrived.

We're a better team in every way... even if the results don't reflect that. Just look at our best footy under Wayne, it's miles beyond anything Stone achieved. Talk about nostalgia glasses.

I think the real reason for the criticisms is the weight of expectation. We weren't expected to do anything under Stone with a crappy roster - so when we did play some alright footy, it gave us a much bigger buzz than it does when we play far better football - but still below expectations - now in the Bennett era. There is no way we played better or more attractive football under Stone. Total myth perpetrated by understandably disgruntled supporters expecting more from our team now that we are better resourced.

You've completely nailed it. I think the anti-Bennett brigade should be renamed to "the grass is always greener" brigade. I recall most of the same blokes spitting out the same negatively while Stoney was in charge too. The blokes saying we should bring Stoney back now you can bet if he's FG coach again like clock work will be screaming for his head too after every loss.

Like you said, despite our position this year, we're still a much better side now than we were before Bennett came on. I think that's why our performances are frustrating us so much. We know that the side is capable of a lot more than we're currently seeing. We would have never gotten 1 game from a GF under Stone and everyone knows it even if they can't admit it. When Stoney was at the helm I never even considered the possibility of winning one finals game let alone making it as far as we did last year and I'm sure most people felt the same. That's why this year has been so disappointing. We actually know we have a side and coach who is capable of getting us far but for whatever reasons (all and we all know lot have been discussed) we can't get wins on the board at the moment.

 

[Sacrolishes]

After watching that and thinking back to the dogs game 2 things came to mind.

1. As mentioned Budsy is a big loss and it's a bigger loss then I was expecting. Gids is trying but is simply out not a natural Hooker. Just doesn't know how to control the ruck properly in defense and attack. It's a different story with Clydesdale. That kid is all class and we are ten times better at getting over the advantage line when is in the field.

2. Team is low on confidence. That video showed a lot of ad lib football which only happens when your team is happy and enjoying footy. It would seem training isn't a happy place right now and maybe the McKinnon injury and the stuff with finances is on players minds. Roberts doesn't look happy, usually when he makes a mistake he laughs at himself and makes up for it later. He's playing way within himself.
Boyd is very unhappy. Could be a few things but payment (or lack of) could be a main reason but he isn't flowing like he usually does. I would t say he doesn't care but he seems extremely frustrated with himself and the team right now.

If we could have held on against dogs it could have been huge for the confidence.

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

I'll happily stand by we are getting similar if not worse results under Bennett, and Bennett has a 1000% more resources and a roster that he handpicked while Stone was left with a jaded side after the Smith era and got us into the finals.

Games moved on from Bennett.

 

[Noname36]

I love the comments about Bennett having a better roster than Stone. Who do you think put that roster together?

Only one part of coaching is tactics. The other is putting a team together.

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Seriously Bennetts attempt at buying a premiership with his old boys is just going to leave with a shit in experienced roster and whoever's left with the ashes in a Dragons like situation after he left there.

Remember how bad they looked for the 2 years after? Well we are staring down the barrell at the same thing and without a trophy to show for it.

 

[Noname36]

Seriously Bennetts attempt at buying a premiership with his old boys is just going to leave with a shit in experienced roster and whoever's left with the ashes in a Dragons like situation after he left there.

Remember how bad they looked for the 2 years after? Well we are staring down the barrell at the same thing and without a trophy to show for it.

So which is it? Bennett is a shit coach because he has a good roster unlike Stone or Bennett is a shit coach because he's put together a shit roster?

Both of your arguments completely contradict each other.

 

[perverse]

I'll happily stand by we are getting similar if not worse results under Bennett, and Bennett has a 1000% more resources and a roster that he handpicked [which got us one win from a Grand Final] while Stone was left with a jaded side after the Smith era and got us into the finals [where we really didn't belong at all, looked out of place and were ejected out the back door with barely a whimper].

Games moved on from Bennett.

Stand by whatever you like - it doesn't make Stone a better coach, nor does it make Stone's team a better team in any way, shape or form. It doesn't even make them more entertaining as some like to claim. It proves little actually, without taking a whole raft of other factors into consideration. If premierships were won on paper with numbers, Brian Smith would probably be the greatest coach of all time by now. Look at the football that is being played by us now. Compare it to back then... and then come back and tell me we played better football then. You can't possibly believe it, you just have a bee up your arse about where we are at right now - and want someone to blame.

We were horribly inconsistent with Stone. The inmates ran the asylum and we had zero heart. Our defence was very questionable. We couldn't eve nattract fringe first graders to the club... we had to fish blokes like AK47m out of obscurity. We were running Dan Tolar as a starting front rower. It was pathetic... and had Aku not been in such stellar form over that period, we may well have been spoon contenders. Aku carried our arses hard over that time.

Mullen was a wreck of inconsistency and self-doubt under Stone. I mean... I can probably keep listing shit that was worse under Stone all day. We're really in that much better a position now.

So what's your solution, Baron? Put Stone back in charge? I'm a Stone fan, but I don't think he's a better coach than Bennett, nor do I think our results reflect the quality of each respective team in question. How many of our current roster do you think would hang around if we sacked Bennett? Do you feel we'd be better off?

 

[RHCP]

Just as depressing as I remember.

The sky is falling. Sack everybody. Start again. Bring back Stig, Karawana and Mika.

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Love the pro-Benny's, fair dinkum our team turned up to round 1 not looking the slightest bit enthusiastic and we are getting worse each week.

Stone had them fired up each week and even when outgunned and handily beaten they played out the 80 rather then not giving a shit.

 

[Apey]

We were horribly inconsistent with Stone. The inmates ran the asylum and we had zero heart. Our defence was very questionable. We couldn't even attract fringe first graders to the club... we had to fish blokes like AK47m out of obscurity. We were running Dan Tolar as a starting front rower. It was pathetic... and had Aku not been in such stellar form over that period, we may well have been spoon contenders. Aku carried our arses hard over that time.

Mullen was a wreck of inconsistency and self-doubt under Stone. I mean... I can probably keep listing shit that was worse under Stone all day. We're really in that much better a position now.

I don't buy into the Sack Bennett thing one iota. However some of these things haven't really changed at all or have changed little. Horribly inconsistent? ... check. Zero heart?... well, debatable. Defence very questionable? Not as questionable, no.

Avg points conceded

2009: 20.46, 9th best
2010: 23.71, 14th best
2011: 18.46, 7th best

2012: 20.33, 10th best
2013: 17.58, 5th best
2014: 21.5, 9th best

I agree on all your other points, though.

 

[Noname36]

Love the pro-Benny's, fair dinkum our team turned up to round 1 not looking the slightest bit enthusiastic and we are getting worse each week.

Stone had them fired up each week and even when outgunned and handily beaten they played out the 80 rather then not giving a shit.

What, in round 3 2010 when Manly put 36 on us, or
Round 4 when Penrith out 34 on us, or
Round 5 when Souths put 28 on us, or
Round 7 when the Sharks beat us 26-6, or
Round 9 when the GC put 38 on us, or
Round 11 when the Tigers beat us 23-6, or
Round 13 when Penrith put 28 on us, or
Round 14 when NZ put 32 on us, or
Round 19 when the Raiders put 52 on us and if I recall it was 52-0 for most of the game, or
Round 20 when NQ put 28 on us, or
Round 25 when the Dragons put 26 on us,
Or, finally, in round 26 when Melbourne did us 34-4

If they're the type of scorelines we let in when we were always "fired up" then I can't wait until we can be fired up again under Stoney. Seriously if that was us always having a go then I would have hated to have seen how many points we let in if we weren't.

I know we've had some shockers under Bennett (particularly this year) too, but jeez, this is what you want us aspiring to? :crazy:

 

[Nuffy]

I don't understand how we can go from this to the way we're playing now in one off season with the same coach and mostly the same side. Sure Bedsy is a massive loss but surely there's a lot more to it. Mullen's injury in particular f**ked us up and we haven't recovered even when he's come back IMO.

Also shows how much better we are when Boyd and Uate are having a go/in form.

Big thing coming out of this was the support play, blokes were making half breaks and there was players in support, thats not happening now.

 

[slotmachine]

Not 100% sure how accurate my memory is, but in 2011 I don't think we lost to a bottom eight team.
That's pretty consistent.
Would have loved to see buderus in that side

On the subject of sucking, does anyone know who owns the knights at the moment?

 

[perverse]

Not 100% sure how accurate my memory is, but in 2011 I don't think we lost to a bottom eight team.
That's pretty consistent.
Would have loved to see buderus in that side

On the subject of sucking, does anyone know who owns the knights at the moment?

That number also tells us that we consistently lost to every top 8 team. Sounds great.

 

[perverse]

On the subject of sucking, does anyone know who owns the knights at the moment?

Nathan Tinkler.

 

[Noname36]

Not 100% sure how accurate my memory is, but in 2011 I don't think we lost to a bottom eight team.
That's pretty consistent.
Would have loved to see buderus in that side

On the subject of sucking, does anyone know who owns the knights at the moment?

So we should have finished 8th just like we did and limp out of the finals without a whimper just like we did?

Go us. So sad we've fallen so far from the world beaters we were under Stoney.