Why little mention of the CQ NRL bid?

[mightybears]

Great to know that you Red Hill well. To be honest, I think the Redcliffe/ Sunshine Coast areas are much better off being Broncos territory, rather than forming an nrl team of their own, because the Broncos needs as much territory as possible, especially when the Titans are slowly taking over southern brisbane and with a small possibility of a Logan Ipswich team being admitted.

I'm agreeing with you, the logan-west-ipswich is a more likely area, so if it occurs the Broncs will trach north, BUT if the next team in SEQ is Redcliffe-Sunny Coast way [while less likely], the Broncs will cop it, track south and west and fight any subsequent logan-west-ipswich area NRL team being included.

 

[_Johnsy]

With a dash of reality

CQ, PNG wont happen for a long time, if at all.

Geelong, seriously WTF :crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[Highway1]

I'm agreeing with you, the logan-west-ipswich is a more likely area, so if it occurs the Broncs will trach north, BUT if the next team in SEQ is Redcliffe-Sunny Coast way [while less likely], the Broncs will cop it, track south and west and fight any subsequent logan-west-ipswich area NRL team being included.

I agree with you, if the Broncos lose Redcliife and the Sunshine Coast, they will keen to keep the remaining terrotory in Brisbnane's south, Ipswich and fight tooth and nail against the Titans for Logan. But the whatever happens its unlikely that the Broncos would lose too much.

 

[Highway1]

That depends upon how the conferences are organised. And there's no reason that they can't be reorganised yearly to make each group even.

But this is a long way in the future.

The problem is that enforcing a conference type system will compromise the comp even more, in one way or another. If there is so many teams to point that playing one team twice in one season become to much, I prefer a comp similar to super 14 where every team plays each other once.

 

[clarency]

Ironically super 14's are beginning a national conference system next year where they will play domestic teams twice and international teams once. I'm very meh towards the idea.

And I wouldn't mind the teams playing each other once... As long as the home ground system is sorted.

I see this system having difficulty getting off though, with it reducing the length of the comp/value of the tv deal.

 

[bobmar28]

You are also forgeting two factors that will also come into play

1 - TV Coverage - this is where Perth has the advantage

2 - The fight that is going verses AFL - Bears are needed to combat the growth of AFL in Sydney

One of the major problems that RL has is that there is a desire to field many teams everywhere as it is very sstrong nationally

- CC Bears
- N Brisbane
- SW Brisbane
- C Qld
- Perth
- Wellington NZ
- Adelaide
- Port Moresby

Thats 8 more teams on top of the current 16 - no way

The Salary Cap has also created a structure that allows teams to survive even if they have a poor financial structure and playing poorly

Relocation has all but been killed off and so have mergers

So clubs won't die as we saw with Newtown - even though Newcastle / Canberra / Cronulla are struggling financially

So I feel the only way to address this is to have team adopt regions and play games in that region, and a trial - rather than trying to take games to Gosford. Clubs would then also have to have a # of junior teams (eg 200) in their criteria, thus forcing relationships with regional areas

Easts - C Qld (5 home games)
Cronulla - Adelaide (5 home games)
Manly - Sunshine Coast (3 games)
CC Bears - NSO (3 games)
Newcastle - Tamworth / Port Macquarie
Parramatta - Darwin (2 games)
N Qld - Cairns / Mt Isa
Canberra - Wagga / Albury
Souths - Coffs (2 games)
Penrith - Dubbo (2 games)
Brisbane - Toowomba
Gold Coast - Lismore
Melbourne - Hobart / Launceston

So nine teams playing in half empty stadiums isn't enough to combat AFL in Sydney?

 

[siv]

So nine teams playing in half empty stadiums isn't enough to combat AFL in Sydney?

The Swans moved into the North Shore as soon as the Bears were booted out

 

[Highway1]

Ironically super 14's are beginning a national conference system next year where they will play domestic teams twice and international teams once. I'm very meh towards the idea.

And I wouldn't mind the teams playing each other once... As long as the home ground system is sorted.

I see this system having difficulty getting off though, with it reducing the length of the comp/value of the tv deal.

Fortunate for the sods from Super 14, they can organise a conference system, that doesn't comprimise the competition too much unlike the NRL.

Don't worry about the reduction in length of the competition, having a stand alone Rep football weekend will fill the void.

 

[mightybears]

So nine teams playing in half empty stadiums isn't enough to combat AFL in Sydney?

No, obviously not, [putting aside that AFL spends more and does more in the media and schools generally.]

RL is about all areas of the city having representation, the north shore doesn't, hence the growth in ping pong there. The Bears back even if largely CC based will to some extent address that.

A Canterbury, a Parra, a Wests Tigers does not represent the North Shore, the Swans do more, are seen to do more, they represent a code that didn't arse us. Until the Bears are back the NRL won't have the North Shore back-as they should.

 

[Timbo]

No, obviously not, [putting aside that AFL spends more and does more in the media and schools generally.]

RL is about all areas of the city having representation, the north shore doesn't, hence the growth in ping pong there. The Bears back even if largely CC based will to some extent address that.

A Canterbury, a Parra, a Wests Tigers does not represent the North Shore, the Swans do more, are seen to do more, they represent a code that didn't arse us. Until the Bears are back the NRL won't have the North Shore back-as they should.

Agree entirely.

To the point where I would argue that when the Bears are returned to the NRL, they should play their two home games against the other foundation clubs (Easts and Souths) back at North Sydney Oval.

As for thre CQLD bid... It's a joke, really. The area and infrastructure simply do not justify another team.

SEQLD certainly - Ipswich, South Brisbane or the Sunshine Coast. But not Rockhampton.

 

[Neatoboy]

As if Central Queensland could support a professional sporting team, that would be like the AFL basing a new team in Broome... ridiculous fantasy.

Locations for new NRL teams need to be in larger population centres:

- Perth
- Adelaide
- Central Coast
- Brisbane/Ipswich/Sunshine Coast
- Melbourne/Geelong/Cranbourne
- Wellington
- Christchurch

I would like to see Perth and a second NZ team in the next expansion, and 2 NSW based teams relocate to CC and Sunshine Coast within the next 5 or 6 years (hopefully in the next TV deal the NRL gets a lot more money and can assist with this... I don't think relocation can happen without their financial assistance).

I actually like the idea of one team per city (excluding Sydney) and would rather see expansion of another Qld team not to be in Brisbane. My preference is the Sunshine Coast, but would be happy for an Ipswich or Logan team to be included, as they are both cities in their own right.

But in all honestly, I wish the NRL would start planning for the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years like the AFL does.

I don't think CQ are ready for a team yet, but who knows, maybe in 10 to 20 years they will be.

 

[Highway1]

Agree entirely.

To the point where I would argue that when the Bears are returned to the NRL, they should play their two home games against the other foundation clubs (Easts and Souths) back at North Sydney Oval.

As for thre CQLD bid... It's a joke, really. The area and infrastructure simply do not justify another team.

SEQLD certainly - Ipswich, South Brisbane or the Sunshine Coast. But not Rockhampton.

Thank goodness for mentioning South Brisbane, I'm sick of people mentioning a hypothetical and most likely unworkable "west Brisbane or Logan-Ipswich United" franchises.

 

[Highway1]

I would like to see Perth and a second NZ team in the next expansion, and 2 NSW based teams relocate to CC and Sunshine Coast within the next 5 or 6 years (hopefully in the next TV deal the NRL gets a lot more money and can assist with this... I don't think relocation can happen without their financial assistance).

I actually like the idea of one team per city (excluding Sydney) and would rather see expansion of another Qld team not to be in Brisbane. My preference is the Sunshine Coast, but would be happy for an Ipswich or Logan team to be included, as they are both cities in their own right.

But in all honestly, I wish the NRL would start planning for the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years like the AFL does.

I don't think CQ are ready for a team yet, but who knows, maybe in 10 to 20 years they will be.

Maybe even less for CQ if Gladstone has population explosion due to natural resources boom

 

[Timbo]

Thank goodness for mentioning South Brisbane, I'm sick of people mentioning a hypothetical and most likely unworkable "west Brisbane or Logan-Ipswich United" franchises.

Don't get me wrong, my first two choices for SE QLD would either be:

Ipswich. Probably playing out of Suncorp, which defeats the point of calling them Ipswich.

or, my preferred choice:

Sunshine Coast. Playing out of an upgraded Quad Park for 9 or so home games, and taking their Queensland Derby's to Suncorp.

My problem with 'South Brisbane' is it's just a way to base another team out of Suncorp and differentiate them from the Bronco's. You could call them North Brisbane or East Brisbane - the effect is the same.

If you're just doing that, basing a team out of Suncorp, then South-Queensland is an ideal name... But we all know why we can't use that name.

 

[smithie]

Don't get me wrong, my first two choices for SE QLD would either be:

Ipswich. Probably playing out of Suncorp, which defeats the point of calling them Ipswich.

or, my preferred choice:

Sunshine Coast. Playing out of an upgraded Quad Park for 9 or so home games, and taking their Queensland Derby's to Suncorp.

My problem with 'South Brisbane' is it's just a way to base another team out of Suncorp and differentiate them from the Bronco's. You could call them North Brisbane or East Brisbane - the effect is the same.

If you're just doing that, basing a team out of Suncorp, then South-Queensland is an ideal name... But we all know why we can't use that name.

Why can't another Suncorp based team be simply named Brisbane. The A-League are having the Melbourne Victory & Melbourne Heart.

 

[nqcowboy87]

The Swans moved into the North Shore as soon as the Bears were booted out

afl doessnt have as much foot on the north shore as union does, and certainly not as much as league does

Agree entirely.

To the point where I would argue that when the Bears are returned to the NRL, they should play their two home games against the other foundation clubs (Easts and Souths) back at North Sydney Oval.

no if anything the bears would play manly at nso, do you not know anything

 

[Timbo]

afl doessnt have as much foot on the north shore as union does, and certainly not as much as league does



no if anything the bears would play manly at nso, do you not know anything

...what?

If the Bears come back, they will play mainly - if not exclusively - in Gosford. Do you not know anything?

 

[Timbo]

Oh god, sorry, massive misread - I thought you said MAINLY at NSO...

Yeah that makes sense. Manly and Easts or Souths then?

 

[nqcowboy87]

no, if the central coast get admitted as the cc bears, they will have a link with north sydney bears and they will play one or two games at north sydney oval and manly would be one of them,

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/30/2886549.htm?site=news

Gallop to hear central Qld NRL bid first-hand

The consortium behind a push for a central Queensland-based National Rugby League team says the league's chief executive, David Gallop, has made a commitment to visit the region.

Denis Keeffe from the central Queensland NRL bid, met Mr Gallop in Sydney yesterday.

He says the meeting was extremely positive and provided the bid with future direction.

"He gave us a firm commitment that he would come and spend several days with us in central Queensland to look at our facilities, to look at our bid, to talk with our people and to measure the depth of support across our whole community. He wouldn't be saying that if he didn't rate us quite highly," Mr Keeffe said.