Why Queensland have won eight straight

[TheFrog]

May I remind everyone here - eight years ago Phil Gould wrote an article for a Sydney newspaper, almost demanding that Darren Lockyer stand aside from the Queensland side, and give another player an opportunity.

According to Mr Gould, Darren Lockyer was past his prime, washed up, not up to standard.

I didn't read the article and have no idea what Gus's beef with Lockyer was, but I do know that Gould is and was an outstanding student of the game of Rugby League, and it seems unlikely in the extreme he would bag an obvious champion player like Darren Lockyer.

Perhaps he was pointing out that Darren needed a bit of help in defence. Not that he couldn't tackle, but if he did too much of it he would be less effective in what he really was good at, which was running and passing the football. And if he had too big a workload in defence, the chances of him suffering injury would rise. These things were common knowledge and managed accordingly by those who coached this player.

Back in the 1970s and earlier, NSW financed by the poker machines that were outlawed in Queensland, poached Queensland's top players and paraded them in interstate games as NSWers, thrashing Queensland teams year after year. The arrogance. The lack of respect. Queensland got used to annual floggings at the hands of players nurtured and groomed in their own state.

There is a universal principal alive in the earth - you reap what you sow. It's as simple as that. NSW continue to reap. Get used to it.

Like NSW players playing for Queensland now, you mean (yes I am talking about Greg Inglis).

Great theory, but none of the current Queensland side would have been alive when the first State of Origin match was played in 1980. The simple truth is that Queensland have had a better team for some years now.

As sure as summer follows winter, things will turn around. You see what is happening to the Australian cricket team right now, where previously they were invincible. Like it or not, a time will come sooner or later when Queensland are at the receiving end once again. It could have been this year, Qld were beatable but NSW weren't good enough.

 

[chigurh]

You are right, things will turn.

But what I don't get is people assuming that NSW will automatically enter their own period of dominance.

Sure, they may win a series or two, but some people on here seem certain that a Blues dynasty will follow when they finally do break through.

Until this record breaking run, Origin was neck and neck in any category you like to name: series, games, total points etc. I think it is far more likely that is what the series will return to in the future.

 

[exile on main street]

This current QLD side in IMO is not as good as the sides from 1987-89, they won eight straight games including back to back shut outs.They also won four out of four games in Sydney. Our sides included greats like Kenny,Sterling, Roach, Pearce, Jack etc.

 

[Jason Maher]

You are right, things will turn.

But what I don't get is people assuming that NSW will automatically enter their own period of dominance.

Sure, they may win a series or two, but some people on here seem certain that a Blues dynasty will follow when they finally do break through.

Until this record breaking run, Origin was neck and neck in any category you like to name: series, games, total points etc. I think it is far more likely that is what the series will return to in the future.

Where has anyone said anything remotely like this? Like most Queenslanders, you see and hear what you want to see and hear.

 

[mberg]

Well of course ... if Queensland every get arrogant about their winning streak it will come back and bite us. I certainly don't dispute that at all.

if Queensland every get arrogant about their winning streak.....you have got to be kidding:shock:

 

[veggiepatch1959]

Your pathetic attempt to find a diamond among the rough is a disgrace. You lost, there's no second place in a two horse race. Melt down in public, we will understand.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What comes second in a two horse race? The horse that came second you goose!!!

You seem the type that would attempt to place a quinella bet on a two horse race!!!

My dog would gladly donate one of its many brain cells to you to accompany the lone one you possess.

 

[crocodile]

A lot of the Qld players that made their way south before 1980 didn't become superstars until they played in NSW. For instance, when John Ribot came to the Westurn suburbs Magpies he was playing lock for Valleys. It was the genius of Roy Masters who coached him as a winger. Had he stayed in Qld he may well have stayed as an also-ran lock while Wally had dibbs on that spot when he wasn't playing 5/8.
Qld have had some great players over the years but they definitely benefited from participating in the NSW comp. Today they have eight straight simply because NSW can't match the talent in key positions. Despite that, most of the games have been close.

 

[Dazzat]

I didn't read the article and have no idea what Gus's beef with Lockyer was, but I do know that Gould is and was an outstanding student of the game of Rugby League, and it seems unlikely in the extreme he would bag an obvious champion player like Darren Lockyer.

No Frog ... it was exactly as I said it was. Gould wrote in a Sydney paper (the Sydney Morning Herald as I recall) calling on Darren Lockyer to stand down from the team because he was past it.

Stuff of legends - Lockyer going on to so many premierships, Origin victories and leading Australia.

Of course, little was made of this amazing turnaround south of the border. If the same happened to Andrew Johns or Brad Fittler there'd be a TV series by now, a book, a musical and State holiday.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Yet you cant quote said article in any of your posts

Interesting....

 

[Dazzat]

Yet you cant quote said article in any of your posts

Interesting....

http://www.smh.com.au/news/league/s...1148524937804.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

 

[Dazzat]

Days after Phil Gould wrote this Queensland still picked Lockyer.

Game 3 - Lockyer swoops on a loose NSW all, runs 15 metres to score the winning try ... thus starts eight years of dominance.

Thank you Mr Gould. Thank you.

How can we replay you? Oh ...I know... another two years of Queensland wins will do just nicely.

 

[BennyV]

Days after Phil Gould wrote this Queensland still picked Lockyer.

Game 3 - Lockyer swoops on a loose NSW all, runs 15 metres to score the winning try ... thus starts eight years of dominance.

Thank you Mr Gould. Thank you.

How can we replay you? Oh ...I know... another two years of Queensland wins will do just nicely.

Didnt Mel speak to Lockyer (among other players, including Civoniceva) and tell them that they had to lift their games or they wouldn't be selected next year?

 

[Dazzat]

Well ... he probably did.

But the irony of the Gould article is just too much to dismiss.

Even more irony is, Mr Gould, for every game since, is the featured commentator before every game, giving his exclusive view on what will take place in the next 80 minutes of play. And for eight years, his bias has been disappointed.

Delicious irony.

 

[Joker's Wild]

lol Classic example of reading what you want and not what is actually being said

Lockyer was playing poorly in '06 and got lucky in the dying seconds of game 3. Did Phil say what most were thinking? Yep. Did Locky step up after? Yep. Is this Irony? Nope

 

[Dazzat]

lol Classic example of reading what you want and not what is actually being said

Lockyer was playing poorly in '06 and got lucky in the dying seconds of game 3. Did Phil say what most were thinking? Yep. Did Locky step up after? Yep. Is this Irony? Nope

No, you've missed the point entirely - as I would expect from someone looking through NSW glasses. I'll step you throw it:

1. Lockyer does play poorly in 06
2. Gould writes a newspaper article suggesting Lockyer should stand down for the sake of Queensland
3. Lockyer doesn't stand down - even though there was intense pressure
4. Lockyer scores the winning try to clinch the series of Queensland (yes a lucky try, but he was there to pick up the ball as he was on so many occasions - so perhaps not luck)
5. That try is the START of eight years of series wins by Queensland.
6. Lockyer would play in five of the next six series wins, and in fact, captain Queensland.

Gould gives advise to his enemy, his enemy ignores the advice and not only wins that series, but rubs it in Gould's face for the next eight years.

If you can't see the irony in that ... well ...

 

[Fire]

It's cute that you think that I as a NSW fan give a f**k about Phil Gould getting his nose rubbed in shit.

 

[BennyV]

If you can't see the irony in that ... well ...

You call that irony? THIS is irony...!

... if Queensland ever get arrogant ...

 

[RecordBreakingMaroons.]

You call that irony? THIS is irony...!

It's not so much that the supporters get arrogant. The detrimental attitude is when the Team/ Coaches/ infrastructure gets arrogant, sees themselves as untouchable, treats the rival as irrelevant, impotent, unworthy of respect.

The hand grenade post try celebration which had been rehearsed beforehand by the Blues was an example of that.

However, after 8 series wins in a row, we QLDers should thank NSW for providing the Maroons with an enduring image of why we love to stick it to you at Origin time.

 

[Dazzat]

You call that irony? THIS is irony...!

Yes ... show me any evidence of arrogance within the Queensland team.

One instance will be fine.

Agree with RBM ... that post try celebration was a very clear evidence of NSW arrogance.

As was the NSW press going on about a "dynasty" last time NSW won two series in a row.

And who could forget Andrew Johns being named as an "Immortal" despite being eclipsed on every statistic by Mal Meninga - not just be a little bit, but by a massive margin.

I could go on.

 

[Fire]

Yes ... show me any evidence of arrogance within the Queensland team.

One instance will be fine.

Last year when Australia played New Zealand in a Test Match in Townsville and after an Australian victory, the Queensland players in the team broke out into the Queensland team song.