William Hopoate - most overrated player ever

[I'm a loser baby...]

Half of that should be on the 2016 cap. Bastards.

 

[hineyrulz]

Wasn't it Seward ?

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...s/news-story/de0ee05208385d99531c97831531c019

Thats right its all Seaweeds fault

That defence really worked out well for your mate Sharpe and co

 

[hineyrulz]

Half of that should be on the 2016 cap. Bastards.

#powerhouse

 

[hybrideel]

So if this is in fact true, was Max aware of this when he decided to settle out of court? Did he prioritise cost savings over team strength?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Awesome, well done Sharpie and crew.

Looks like Max is the one happy for it to count under the cap, not the old crew.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Thats right its all Seaweeds fault

That defence really worked out well for your mate Sharpe and co

Why do you think they sacked him?

 

[The Colonel]

Will that be considered under the cap over the length of the contract that he agreed to?

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Will that be considered under the cap over the length of the contract that he agreed to?

It would be based entirely upon the agreed settlement. If Hopoate got his payout as a lump sum I can't see how it could be spread over multiple years of the cap.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

It would be based entirely upon the agreed settlement. If Hopoate got his payout as a lump sum I can't see how it could be spread over multiple years of the cap.

It's lucky we didn't f**k up a 'lifetime contract' with a star player or we'd be sitting next year out.

 

[Mickyd39]

I'd like to think that Max received advice from the NRL about the pay out effecting our salary cap before settling.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

. Salary cap management overhaul – After years of uncertainty the Club now has 100% confidence in its cap and has confirmed this status with the NRL. The recent round of signings and re-signings for the Eels has been actioned with complete certainty of compliance with the salary cap.

http://www.parraeels.com.au/news/2016/10/25/parramatta_leagues_c.html

 

[Joshuatheeel]

 

[T-Boon]

Thats right its all Seaweeds fault

That defence really worked out well for your mate Sharpe and co

Technically any screw up by the CEO is the boards fault because they appointed the guy.
But in reality Seward was paid excellent money and employed full time to deal with this stuff whilst the guys you want to lay this on were paid crap and had meetings every couple of weeks. He had a reference from Greenberg - so the board considered him competent and trust worthy. That was the boards mistake - he was not competent or trust worth.
So what I take from this is Seward should not work as a CEO again, Greenberg references should be treated as poison and football club boards should be paid a lot more to compensate for the fact that they are really responsible for this kind of stuff.

 

[emjaycee]

It would be based entirely upon the agreed settlement. If Hopoate got his payout as a lump sum I can't see how it could be spread over multiple years of the cap.

Here's the rub...
1) we (Max) settled the matter with Hopoate out of court so there is currently no legal position with regards to whether a legal contract (verbal or otherwise) even existed;
2) there definitely wasn't an NRL registered contract for 1, 2 or 3 years executed by both parties. There was reportedly an intent to enter into a contract that was never completed, so for the NRL to now step in and say it is going on our cap is a mad precedent for them to set IMHO;
3) IF, and it is still media speculation, the NRL do assess this against our Cap, they can spread it over as many years as they want, given that they have already stretched the boundaries in accepting an intent as a contract;

Does this scenario play out the same I wonder?
Thurston is off contract at the end of 2017. In May 2017 Cowboys CEO says to JT "we will give you $1.2m per year to stay for next 3 years. Thurston says "ok". BEFORE the contract is executed, Cowboys CEO changes his mind and offers JT $750k per year for 2 years. JT is pissed so Politis says, no worries we will give you $900k p.a for 3 years. JT signs with Roosters then sues the Cowboys for $900k and they settle for $500k.
Bet you the NRL doesn't put the $500k on anyone's cap.

 

[hineyrulz]

Looks like Max is the one happy for it to count under the cap, not the old crew.

Yeah it's all Max's fault.


Sack Max!!

 

[hineyrulz]

Why do you think they sacked him?

Ummmm I don't know?? Maybe because his posistion had become untenable and he f**ked up just about every signing in his time at the club?? Even though the Chairman is supposed to sign off any big contract. Oh and Plumber and co needed a patsy.....

 

[hineyrulz]

#powerhouse

 

[84 Baby]

It would be based entirely upon the agreed settlement. If Hopoate got his payout as a lump sum I can't see how it could be spread over multiple years of the cap.

Here's the rub...
1) we (Max) settled the matter with Hopoate out of court so there is currently no legal position with regards to whether a legal contract (verbal or otherwise) even existed;
2) there definitely wasn't an NRL registered contract for 1, 2 or 3 years executed by both parties. There was reportedly an intent to enter into a contract that was never completed, so for the NRL to now step in and say it is going on our cap is a mad precedent for them to set IMHO;
3) IF, and it is still media speculation, the NRL do assess this against our Cap, they can spread it over as many years as they want, given that they have already stretched the boundaries in accepting an intent as a contract

The legal arguments abound...
Unfortunately when it comes to the NRL salary cap, it's a couple of guys sitting around deciding what's "best for the game"
We all know that what's best for the game is "The Parramatta Eels have the ability to be a super club in this city and we want them to be that (when we decide we want them to be)"

 

[T-Boon]

Here's the rub...
1) we (Max) settled the matter with Hopoate out of court so there is currently no legal position with regards to whether a legal contract (verbal or otherwise) even existed;

I agree. A settlement does not necessarily mean that we have conceded there was a binding contract. You can settle even when it is in court without conceding anything. Its just a purely financial decision to cease paying legal costs. Our terms of settlement would clearly state that.

2) there definitely wasn't an NRL registered contract for 1, 2 or 3 years executed by both parties. There was reportedly an intent to enter into a contract that was never completed, so for the NRL to now step in and say it is going on our cap is a mad precedent for them to set IMHO;

It wouldn't be the contract (or lack there of) that is relevant but the simple fact of a payment to a player. Some of the dodgy payments that seem to end up counting against us are outside of any legitimate contract. So thats where we are in trouble.

I would be trying to argue that if it is included in our cap it should be included in a year that he was actually contracted as a Parra player i.e. 2015.

 

[Gronk]

I don't mind if it has to be in the cap, provided that the NRL have been clear on their ruling from the outset. Then Mad Max and BA would have planned for it.

But if Todd has moved the goal posts on us due to incompetence or shenanigans, then I'm as mad as hell.